Russia Preparing for War.

Jeffwhosoever said:

Amid tensions with Russia, Israel considers expanding military aid to Ukraine: Report

that don't sound to good to me

Also have you read about this?
Netanyahu: Putin said that if I were not PM, Israel and Russia would be at war

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Israel's walking a fine line diplomatically.
thing is.. because of scripture, I don't see Russia as Magog at all.
unless Russia were to single handedly destroy NATO, and conquer Turkey to become the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal (regions in Turkey) it just doesn't fit.

But Russia's showing itself to be a paper tiger.
Are you really going to argue for Russia single handedly destroying NATO? and being in a strong enough position to conquer Turkey and then make a move on Israel?
I think any action Russia takes to conquer Turkey would result in Russia and the west eliminating each other mutually.
Russian Magog proponents greatly hype the effectiveness of the Russian military.
Even now i see them making claims that Kyiv is under Russian control. It's a special Kool-aid I guess.

But it's not enough for Turkey and Russia to be "allies"

the "many people with thee" is allies.
But Gog is the ruler of Meshech and Tubal. Not an ally, ruler.
So for Russia to be Gog, Russia has to CONQUER Turkey.
Do you see any way of Russia conquering a NATO country, and not losing 100 million people to nuclear war?

Jeffwhosoever said:

See Hal Lindsey's works.

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In a message recorded in 1979 Hal Lindsey made the following predictions …

*Lindsey predicts a limited nuclear war before 1984 and an all out world war before 1989

*Lindsey predicts that the world will run out of all raw materials before 1986

*Lindsey predicts that the “Jupiter Effect” will occur in 1982 and at that time dams will burst and nuclear power plants will have major melt downs

*Lindsey predicts that the European Union will be the most powerful entity in the world by the mid 1980’s

*Lindsey announces that the Antichrist is alive and well in Europe as he is making this speech and will soon make his appearance

*Lindsey predicts the murder of all Mormons

*Lindsey says that by the end of the 1980’s the Arab nations will have a complete strangle hold on America and dominate the wealth of the U.S.

*Lindsey predicts that Russia will invade Jerusalem in the 1980’s and that the U.S. will be powerless to do anything about it.

*Lindsey announces to the people of his audience that the rapture will occur in their lifetime.

According to Hal Lindsey all of these predictions are based on “Clear Bible prophecies”.

You be the judge, but when I read the above, this scripture comes to mind:
Deuteronomy 18:20-22
But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him..

Jamdoc said:

Israel's walking a fine line diplomatically.
thing is.. because of scripture, I don't see Russia as Magog at all.
unless Russia were to single handedly destroy NATO, and conquer Turkey to become the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal (regions in Turkey) it just doesn't fit.

But Russia's showing itself to be a paper tiger.
Are you really going to argue for Russia single handedly destroying NATO? and being in a strong enough position to conquer Turkey and then make a move on Israel?
I think any action Russia takes to conquer Turkey would result in Russia and the west eliminating each other mutually.
Russian Magog proponents greatly hype the effectiveness of the Russian military.
Even now i see them making claims that Kyiv is under Russian control. It's a special Kool-aid I guess.

But it's not enough for Turkey and Russia to be "allies"

the "many people with thee" is allies.
But Gog is the ruler of Meshech and Tubal. Not an ally, ruler.
So for Russia to be Gog, Russia has to CONQUER Turkey.
Do you see any way of Russia conquering a NATO country, and not losing 100 million people to nuclear war?

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I don't see any particular nation being Magog.
Magog is symbolic of all God's enemies.
Revelation is a symbolic sermon to John's generation - or what good has it been for the church for the last 2000 years?

Jeffwhosoever said:

I was not endorsing Hal Lindsey's "prophecies" only the definition of Armageddon. But you have to admit that worldwide things are not headed in the right direction and evil is growing, not receding.

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I agree with that, I just disagree with identifying Russia as Magog, and timing differences, because in scripture, I see Gog as being Antichrist, and Gog and Magog referring to the same narrative leading to Armageddon, rather than "some other dictator before Antichrist". Because Ezekiel 38 has God posing the question "aren't you the guy I've been warning Israel about through the prophets?" God didn't warn about some Russian dictator before Antichrist, God warned about Antichrist.
if anything I think Russia and the US delete each other from relevance during the 4th seal, and that shifts world power back to the middle east, with Europe and North America basically out of the picture.

Jeffwhosoever said:

I was not endorsing Hal Lindsey's "prophecies" only the definition of Armageddon.

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Though I'm unclear why anyone would endorse ANYTHING he says, I suppose a broken clock is right twice a day after all....

However, the Biblical penalty for false prophesy is death (Deuteronomy 13:1-11)

But you have to admit that worldwide things are not headed in the right direction and evil is growing, not receding.

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Nations Rise and Fall, Evil men come and go.

I have to admit the Church is growing, righteousness is ever expanding, and nothing can stop it. (Matthew 16:18)

Jeffwhosoever said:

Russia could never conquer NATO using conventional arms, but they have enough nuclear weapons to do it. Russia and NATO both have around 6000 nuclear warheads, and Putin is insane and evil enough to use them. Putin raised their alert level to our equivalent of DEFCON2 at the start of the war, and some of their officials have shown an attack on England and Ireland destroying the entire region, and even said in about 100 seconds they could wipe NATO off the face of the earth. I was hoping that between all our missile defense systems and lasers, we had enough anti-ballistic missiles to defend our nation, but we don't, especially against their hypervelocity weapons (though I live near MDA and know they are working on it). Russia also has this crazy torpedo that can detonate a 100 megaton nuke and to cite their experts "raise 500 meter Tsunami to wipe out England and leave radioactive wasteland behind". So I agree with you using conventional forces, they stand no chance against NATO's superior weapons and tech, but if things go nuclear, all bets are off. Russia even has this insane policy of "escalate to de-escalate" where they would use tactical nukes to convince an enemy to surrender quickly, and if that happens, I am not sure what NATO would do, but worst case it leads to all out exchange and who knows who survives in that event. If they hit us first, would we even be able to retaliate, and do we have a launch on warning status of our nuclear forces? Russia has modernized its nuclear forces and we are just now beginning the long process, so NATO is behind the Russians on this critical area. There is an app that demonstrates the detonation of a nuclear weapon up to 100 megatons called nukemap. Google it. Its terrifying.

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Right, but the thing is, they cannot stop the UK, France, and US from counterattacking. Even if they hit all of our ICBM's in their silos because Biden's too cowardly to launch on warning and prefers to ride out the first strike, even if they hit all of our bombers on the ground.... the subs will still blast Russia into the stone age.
All of the UK's warheads are on subs, so are all of France's, about 1/3 of ours are.
It's enough to mutually delete Russia from the equation.

The only way you have Russia unilaterally destroying the west and remaining in power to mount an invasion on Israel, is God Himself prevents our second strike from happening.

Jeffwhosoever said:

I was not endorsing Hal Lindsey's "prophecies" only the definition of Armageddon. But you have to admit that worldwide things are not headed in the right direction and evil is growing, not receding.

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Depends on how you measure it.
According to some, we're in the safest period of human history ever.
So murder and war are on the downward trend overall - despite a recent spike with the Ukraine etc.
It just depends on what you're watching.

yup..
I wonder if by this time next year, after the food shortages and famines and hyperinflation hit.. if that will be the final trigger.
I don't see Russia going after Israel
but I do see us mutually destroying each other.
so if you have the means to prep to survive fallout, I'd be prudent about it.
Me? I don't think I got anywhere to go. Not even a basement in the house I live in.
I've convinced my family to prep for the food shortages.. but I don't think I can convince them if they don't have a below ground basement to have a contingency for nuclear war. I don't think that's a thing a lot of people have a means to deal with.

All right then - let me amend my statement with 4 big qualifiers:-
1. I'm Amil - and see the future as unwritten (apart from the mysterious, unknowable sovereign purposes of God.) The church will thrive and decline but never be extinguished, the empires of the world will come and go - and history will unfold with the weird combination of influential individuals and (in hindsight) apparently inevitable economic forces that it always has. And ONE day the Lord will return - but whether that's in 5 seconds or 50,000 years we just don't know.

2. We are currently enjoying the safest period of human history ever - but this could change in a blink.

3. The 'plagues' of Revelation are written in there to roughly describe (but not prescribe) the time between the Lord's Resurrection and Return. That means there will be wars, plagues, and natural disasters. Currently - these are vastly smaller than we saw in the 20th Century - and generally statistically across all human history. That means we in the rich west are being tempted to worship wealth - to 'shema' it and bind it to our foreheads and back of our hands instead of our prayers to God (Old Testament shema prayers bound written prayers and commands of God - this is what Revelation 13 is all about.)

4. But it only takes a few maniacs to push the big red button and we're back in the Stone Age digging our way out of the rubble. (Personally even in an all out nuke-fest I don't think we'd be stuck in Mad Max for centuries - but would get back to machine tools and some industry within a generation.) Or imagine if Ebola jumps across to the flu or mutates in such a way that it is airborne, and as easy to catch as Coronavirus. It STARTS with around a 60% fatality rate! That would cause martial law overnight!

Or imagine we just don't act on climate change and crash through 2 or 3 degrees of warming. There are predictions that crop outputs will decline by a quarter as the population rises a quarter. Now, there are meant to be factory produced 'electric foods' on the way that could mitigate this greatest threat of climate change to human beings - but they have not been demonstrated to be economical yet. ("Fermented" foods instead of farmed foods are meant to be half the price of soybean protein by 2025 - so we'll see within a few years. It's electric food that's more efficient than photosynthesis, and bypasses the whole farming process and is the greatest change to food in 10,000 years! See 2-E "Sci-Fi foods" here)

So basically, as an Amil, I hope for and pray for the best - but am prepared to accept the worst. The rest is in the Lord's hands.

Jeffwhosoever said:

Russia is threatening NATO over Finland and Sweden joining NATO. We are on the verge of WW3. I don't believe we are in the safest place in human history ever.

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Feb 9, 2022#233 WWIII??? Have you still never heard? There will never be WWIII, but NEVER.

I am writing this here for the record and for everyone, especially Americans, to be very calm, very quiet, and free from stress, and rest in peace. There will not be a third world war, never, but never.
Now unto the King Eternal, Immortal, Invisible, the only Wise God, be Honour and Glory for ever and ever. Amen.
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Jeffwhosoever said:

The US just ended 20 years of war in Afghanistan, and now the Taliban has total control. CIA has long feared the Shiites taking control of the middle east, and a US Army Colonel told me if we pull out of the middle east, Armageddon would soon follow, and that is no joke.

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Armageddon? It's a battle against THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS

THREE UNCLEAN (AMPHIBIOUS) SPIRITS LIKE FROGS - WHY FROGS?
Revelation 16:v.13 to 16
1 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs (A SATANIC TRINITY) come out of the MOUTH of the Dragon (Revelation13:v.11), and out of the MOUTH of the Beast (Beast of sea-Revelation 13:v.1-10), and out of the MOUTH of the False Prophet (the false messiah, an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah-Revelation 13:v.11-18).
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great Day of God Almighty. (The Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium)
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Ar - mag - eddon.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

Well, all Christian/believer know that the battle of AR(heaven)-Mag(Magog)-Eddon (Eddon means red-his origen) is against three UNCLEAN SPIRITS like frogs. Why frogs? I searched deeply an explanation for this biblical mystery, and by the Word of GOD what I found is the follow:

In general, frogs are amphibians vertebrate animals that live in the aquatic environment and on ground or the terrestrial environment. But is it the same in the spiritual environment? Yes, it is.
1 - THE AQUATIC ENVIRONMENT OF THE EVIL SPIRITS LIKE FROGS
Revelation 17:v.15 - And the angel saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. NOTE: Except the TRUE CHRISTIANS/BELIEVERS, all the peoples of all the nations are leaded, and dominated, and guided by the THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS like frogs. TERRIBLE. TERRIBLE.
That said, we can see by the above verse 15 the AQUATIC environment of these three spirits of demons like frogs which guide the peoples or rule nations of all tongues in whole earth, through all kind of devilish systems, as religious systems as Catholicism, and Judaism, and spiritism, budhism, islamism, among others), and also political systems, and military systems, and social and cultural systems, among others systems. In fact, Satan goes to and fro and from walking up and down among them.

2 - THE TERRESTRIAL ENVIRONMENT OF THE EVIL SPIRITS LIKE FROGS
FIRST we need to understand that Israel is an island among the waters (Gentile nations) or in the middle of the sea, as is described above in according the Scriptures. Israel is the earth, a dry land, Genesis 1:v.10-3rd Day- or still the clay-Isaiah 64:v.8- a dry land surrounded by water on all sides or by allegory surrounded by the Gentile nations. Remember, even Isaiah prophesized saying:
Isaiah 41:v.1-2 -
1 - Keep silence before me, O islands; and let the people renew their strength: let them come near; then let them speak: let us come near together to Judgment.
2 Who raised up the righteous man from the east, called him to his foot, gave the nations before him, and made him rule over kings? he gave them as the dust to his Sword-Revelation 2:v.26 to 28-, and as driven stubble to his bow. (bow-Revelation 6:v.2)

That said, there is no doubt Israel is the earth, the dry land -Genesis 1:v.10-3rd Day - , with its great city spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, yeah, Israel, the earth, the dry land, was and is also dominated by the three unclean spirits like frogs, which infested the nation of idolatries, and wichcraft,spiritism/esoterism , idolaters and spiritist peoples or esoteric and kabbalistic and spiritist peoples that follow the esoteric and kabbalistic and spiritist Judaism, and they are waiting their messiah who must manifest himself soon (he was born decades ago and must manifest himself soon-2 Thes.2:v.6), and he will be one of the heads of the MONSTROUS and SATANIC Antichrist's Empire together the Beast of sea-Daniel 2:v.40 to 43 and Revelation 13:v.1 to 10-the Beast of sea- and Revelation 13:v.11 to 18-the Beast of the earth.

These are the spiritual ENVIRONMENT that the GOD's people will see in the last week 70th Daniel 9:v.27 that may be within these current decade of 2020-2030.

Be careful and get ready

Revelation 16:v.15 - KJV
15 - Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

Revelation 2:v.25 to 29 KJV
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

JESUS is at door, but the Man Beast of earth will come first-2 Thes.2- even GOD will send STRONG DELUSION in near days, a false messiah, in fact a former Cherub, the son of perdition. This Man Beast of the earth, like a lamb with two horns -Revelation 13:v.11--representing two kingdoms-, actually a false lamb, course, he will manifest himself in Israel as a Messiah - as was prophesied by JESUS -JOHN 5:v.43 to 47-

Get ready
THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS - WHY FROGS? | Pure Bible Forum (and see www.sinaiticus.net)

Jeffwhosoever said:

I don't see how anyone can think we are at a safest time in history. Seems more like "wars and rumors of wars" as prophesized 2000 years ago is on our door step.

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Yes, "wars and rumors of wars", and who prophesized was the KING of kings and LORD of lords - JESUS CHRIST. He is even now, after two thousand years, EXECUTING His word LTERALLY. JESUS is in control of History, nothing random happens or will happen. As He said: " You shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but THE END IS NOT YET. For nation shall rise against nation (WILL THE UNITED NATIONS ORGANIZATION BE DISSOLVED? 2Peter 3:v.11-12), and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows-Matthew 24:v.6-8.

2Peter 3:v.11-12

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be DISSOLVED (DISMANTLED), what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the Day of God, wherein the heavens (heavens?see Ephesians 1:v.3) being on FIRE shall be DISSOLVED, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

1 Corinthians 15:v.24 -28
24 The END cometh, when JESUS shall have delivered up the Kingdom to GOD, even the Father; when He shall have PUT DOWN ALL RULE AND ALL AUTHORITY AND POWER.

25 For JESUS must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For GOD hath put all things under JESUS's feet. But when GOD saith all things are put under JESUS, it is manifest that He is excepted, which did put all things under Him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him, that GOD may be all in all.

Revelation 11:v.15 to 18
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry (will be angry), and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

Get ready

Oseas said:

Feb 9, 2022#233 WWIII??? Have you still never heard? There will never be WWIII, but NEVER.

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