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Periodically, I come to points in my life where I wonder, "Is this all there is to life?" I am again at one of those points. Having had to be rooted and uprooted from various churches and even jobs over the past few years has caused a lack of continuity/stability in my life. The church situations I've posted about here in previous posts. It's always been a matter of trying to look for a better, less abusive, more spiritually and biblically sound church. In terms of work, it's been hard trying to basically take care of myself and my disability throughout my life (due to parental neglect) and trying to figure out and meet my own needs. Unfortunately I ended up choosing a profession that has been pretty tough on me, though I've worked hard to rise to the occasion. Lately, most especially, I just keep reminding myself to keep my eyes on the cross and keep going because life experiences have been so difficult. When I think of the difficulties that I've passed through in life, I try to remind myself of other Christians who are suffering much more than I have. In terms of my relationships, I've made many conscious decisions to separate myself from people living contradictory Christian lives - lives that contradict the values that we as Christians profess from the Bible - as I posted about previously. In general, relationships have always been a bit of an area of difficulty and it doesn't seem that I have as much success as other people in this area. Though I know everyone has their own struggles, I sometimes wonder if my choices to be closer to God and to stand up for my moral values have been worth what I have sacrificed in terms of my relationships. Has anyone else faced similar struggles, and if so, how did you deal with them?
 

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I gave up a girl friend when I first got saved , that didn’t want to be a Christian. I gave up a catholic because I didn’t want to have kids. I just tried to earn a living, and nursed my mental health and waited on Him. I kept looking for a church and when I finally settled down, I found one I wanted to go too. I still had my troubles but when I finally decided to obey God, I found my wife. God sent her. It’s easy for women to get in relationship, harder for godly women. But when things are right, they go right.
 
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As I became more and more Christian I also moved to another part of the country. As I returned to visit old friends occasionally, like once a year, it was brief, an hour or two.

But in my new city, we joined a church, and basically my new friends were either church members or literal neighbors. (to be Christian, we are also to "Love your neighbor as yourself"). And the neighbors are mostly Catholics, nice people, and most not hard to love.

So, since we are commanded to love others regardless of their faults, it's just all love.

Since we are commanded not to judge, I just try to show Christ in my actions.
 
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Though I know everyone has their own struggles, I sometimes wonder if my choices to be closer to God and to stand up for my moral values have been worth what I have sacrificed in terms of my relationships. Has anyone else faced similar struggles, and if so, how did you deal with them?
If you mean people who do not know how to love . . . there is no loss in not allowing them to take you over and your life. Ones can charm you to weakness, so then you can be harmed. And the harm after the charm can be not worth it . . . much worse than losing their false friendship.

Look how Jesus suffered, rather than let people use Him for what they wanted.

As I have gotten more committed to doing well in a church, there would be people who seemed wrong and weird and aggressive and mean-spirited. And I could get a lot of nasty stuff coming against me in my imagination and emotions, about how they treated me badly. But God would confront me to love them and be their real friend by being their good example of how to love . . . so they could have an opportunity to see how loving is done. So, then I would be quiet in prayer and wait for how God would correct me and make me ready for love with any problem, impossible person.

I would be encouraging with someone who is wrong; what I mean is that within me I would have the attitude that the person should be encouraged to follow my good example of how I was relating with the person. And trust God to spread good example to make that person the same way . . . like being a cup running over :)

Sad to say, some number of people just got more and more away from me, but I stayed in a church and did not let them have power to get me bent out of shape and leave. And with that I grew in genuine and better relating with ones who were example leaders and members.

And . . . in the long run . . . I have benefitted from being in various churches, including while I was not for real in love and so I was moving from one place to another. I have shared with genuine saints in various situations, I could feed on their example and how they were encouraging me to get real in love. And now it's my turn to follow their example . . . and stay :) - - - and not look down on the wrong ones, but pray for God to really correct me and minister to those people, with hope for all that is possible with God in them > love "hopes all things," we have in 1 Corinthians 13:7 and in this love.
 
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It is often hard to do what is right.

Your post brings to mind Mark 10:29-30
"Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or farms, for My sake and for the gospel’s sake, but that he shall receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions; and in the age to come, eternal life."
 
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Periodically, I come to points in my life where I wonder, "Is this all there is to life?" I am again at one of those points. Having had to be rooted and uprooted from various churches and even jobs over the past few years has caused a lack of continuity/stability in my life. The church situations I've posted about here in previous posts. It's always been a matter of trying to look for a better, less abusive, more spiritually and biblically sound church. In terms of work, it's been hard trying to basically take care of myself and my disability throughout my life (due to parental neglect) and trying to figure out and meet my own needs. Unfortunately I ended up choosing a profession that has been pretty tough on me, though I've worked hard to rise to the occasion. Lately, most especially, I just keep reminding myself to keep my eyes on the cross and keep going because life experiences have been so difficult. When I think of the difficulties that I've passed through in life, I try to remind myself of other Christians who are suffering much more than I have. In terms of my relationships, I've made many conscious decisions to separate myself from people living contradictory Christian lives - lives that contradict the values that we as Christians profess from the Bible - as I posted about previously. In general, relationships have always been a bit of an area of difficulty and it doesn't seem that I have as much success as other people in this area. Though I know everyone has their own struggles, I sometimes wonder if my choices to be closer to God and to stand up for my moral values have been worth what I have sacrificed in terms of my relationships. Has anyone else faced similar struggles, and if so, how did you deal with them?

Reminds me of what the Apostle Paul encouraged us in the Body of Christ when we are suffering in Romans 8. Hopefully it will encourage you.

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
 
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Hi @Gentle Lamb

I recommend you read Psalm 1 and meditate upon it for a week. Remember that when the author writes of the wicked, sinner and mocker in the Psalm it's not likely he is referring to non-believers, but rather those within Israel. In today's terms this could be a Christian who is one in name only. Who sees faith as a badge instead of a walk.

But permit me to push you a little further on this and, God willing, you won't take offense at me...

You have posted about your issues with churches a number of times, and I totally hear you. However, upon reading your post this morning, the thought came to mind whether this maybe a subconscious excuse you're raising to avoid progressing further with God or your faith? Or an artifical distance you are raising up. That if the right church cannot be found then "what can you do".

I might be wrong about this, and forgive me if I am. All I know is that I gave up on finding a decent church long ago and yet my faith has never been stronger. I don't need a church in my equation for God, such as me + church + Yeshua = communion with God. On the contrary, I found most modern churches to be a distraction from the truth and contradictory to Scripture, so wouldn't it be dangerous for me to attend? These are dark days. It is not a simple as “oh look, there is a church, I can trust in them“. Indeed, this began to be a problem even in the Apostle Paul`s day.

But you also asked “is this all that there is in life?" my friend, did you expect this life to be great? The world belongs to devil and evil men. In many ways, all of us are in Egyptian bondage again. But not for long...

When Yeshua returns, He will bring that great City, New Jerusalem with Him, for us to dwell in peacefully together. We'll each have our own house and land and live the life according to the promises the Father made to us. It will be a return to Eden, blissful peaceful, exciting, beautiful. And we will be surrounded by the true church. The non—hypocritical, non—spiritually abusive, honest and good church, true brothers and sisters approved by the Messiah Himself! The land will be alive with music and joy and the Father will be with us to wipe away every tear and to sing with joy over us. The prophets and apostles will walk alongside us on the golden streets and every question you have can be answered. So is this all there is? For now, yes. These are the years to work, when the enemy reigns. But it's about to get a lot better!

Peace
 
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"Is this all there is to life?


Yes.


Depending what is meant by all there is. We are sojourners here, our home is in eternity, but far too many of us are confortable here and do not long for eternity.

Our role is to live for jesus here, as the old song say, 'Letting my Light shine, in my small corner '

You have high standards, continue to live by those standards.
 
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When you keep having the same experiences its important to ask why. You’re the common denominator.

Out off all the churches in the area why do you continue to find the wrong ones?
Or why do you build connections/trust people who end up betraying you?

You can’t ignore that. No matter how wrong they are its your responsibility to avoid the collision. If that isn’t happening you must determine where you’re going awry.

Is it your picker, discrimination, discernment, a desire for acceptance, and so on. Something is tripping you up and bringing you back to this place.

There’s a poem that illustrates this well. You can’t use the same ingredients and expect a different cake. You have to change the recipe by removing the problem. Then you’ll get a different outcome.
 
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When you keep having the same experiences its important to ask why. You’re the common denominator.

Out off all the churches in the area why do you continue to find the wrong ones?
Or why do you build connections/trust people who end up betraying you?

You can’t ignore that. No matter how wrong they are its your responsibility to avoid the collision. If that isn’t happening you must determine where you’re going awry.

Is it your picker, discrimination, discernment, a desire for acceptance, and so on. Something is tripping you up and bringing you back to this place.

There’s a poem that illustrates this well. You can’t use the same ingredients and expect a different cake. You have to change the recipe by removing the problem. Then you’ll get a different outcome.


I really agree with you Bella and I've been asking myself tough questions and doing some in depth examinations to see how I got into certain situations and I've been praying about healing from bad situations and also praying about what to do in my current situation. I did vet the current church but it looks like I got a bit tripped up. But it only been a few months there, not years, like the other situations. Seeing red flags, I became concerned, discussed my problems here and with people in person to get feedback, prayed about things which is most important, and now I'm prayerfully and conscientiously taking actions. I don't want to sit back for abuse, I've had too much of it my entire life. It's been really hard. When you grow up being abuse, you accept it as your norm. But praise God for Jesus, I don't have to sit under anyone's abuse. God is helping me and thank you and everyone here for the words of wisdom.
 
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Hi @Gentle Lamb

I recommend you read Psalm 1 and meditate upon it for a week. Remember that when the author writes of the wicked, sinner and mocker in the Psalm it's not likely he is referring to non-believers, but rather those within Israel. In today's terms this could be a Christian who is one in name only. Who sees faith as a badge instead of a walk.

But permit me to push you a little further on this and, God willing, you won't take offense at me...

You have posted about your issues with churches a number of times, and I totally hear you. However, upon reading your post this morning, the thought came to mind whether this maybe a subconscious excuse you're raising to avoid progressing further with God or your faith? Or an artifical distance you are raising up. That if the right church cannot be found then "what can you do".

I might be wrong about this, and forgive me if I am. All I know is that I gave up on finding a decent church long ago and yet my faith has never been stronger. I don't need a church in my equation for God, such as me + church + Yeshua = communion with God. On the contrary, I found most modern churches to be a distraction from the truth and contradictory to Scripture, so wouldn't it be dangerous for me to attend? These are dark days. It is not a simple as “oh look, there is a church, I can trust in them“. Indeed, this began to be a problem even in the Apostle Paul`s day.

But you also asked “is this all that there is in life?" my friend, did you expect this life to be great? The world belongs to devil and evil men. In many ways, all of us are in Egyptian bondage again. But not for long...

When Yeshua returns, He will bring that great City, New Jerusalem with Him, for us to dwell in peacefully together. We'll each have our own house and land and live the life according to the promises the Father made to us. It will be a return to Eden, blissful peaceful, exciting, beautiful. And we will be surrounded by the true church. The non—hypocritical, non—spiritually abusive, honest and good church, true brothers and sisters approved by the Messiah Himself! The land will be alive with music and joy and the Father will be with us to wipe away every tear and to sing with joy over us. The prophets and apostles will walk alongside us on the golden streets and every question you have can be answered. So is this all there is? For now, yes. These are the years to work, when the enemy reigns. But it's about to get a lot better!

Peace


I appreciate your comment sir. Please don't get me wrong. I am not sitting back and making excuses that being in abusive churches is preventing me from growing in Christ, not at all. I attend fellowship because that is what the word of God commands. I have left fellowship that have condoned abhorrent sins and I am seeking through the help of God to continually be closer to God. I write about my experiences here because we are all humans experiencing life together and people sharing their experiences here helps me. This is also fellowship, though we are not in person and are anonymous to each other. This helps me. Also I would like to add, experiencing abuse in church as a baby Christian is so deeply hurtful. The enemy uses that to turn babes in Christ away from Jesus and away from the church. That is a lot of what I went through. I've only been surrendered to Christ for 7.5 years. But God is so good and He has faithfully kept me through it all. He has helped me to not define Him by the hurtful actions of other people. So I do not get mad at God or blame Him for what people do to me. But I am grieved when I see leadership that is hurtful towards the sheep and Jesus is grieved as well. Hence He always condemned the Pharisees. We are living in dark times in deed. Actually the problem is that I am so used to the evil of the world that I live in, and I am so used to this darkness, and there is so much of it in the church, that when I reflect upon the heart of God for us as described for us in His word, it has opened my eyes more and more to how far we are from His desires and indeed how very close we are to the end. It has been a process.
 
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Actually I forgot to write about this. Just see how good God is. Today, I opened my Daily Bread devotional, and there it was. God directly addressed the situation I wrote about here yesterday and I was encouraged. Praise God! :)

https://odb.org/US/2022/03/19/reclaiming-our-time

Reclaiming Our Time

I will repay you for the years the locusts have eaten. . . . You will have plenty to eat, until you are full.

Joel 2:25–26

Today's Scripture & Insight:

My mother shared with me how she chose not to attend college so she could marry my father in the 1960s, but she always held on to her dream of becoming a home economics teacher. Three children later, though she never received a college degree, she did become a nutritionist aide for the state of Louisiana’s health system. She cooked meals to demonstrate healthier meal choices—much like a home economics teacher. As she shared her dream with me after recounting the events of her life, she proclaimed that God had indeed heard her prayers and given her the desires of her heart.

Life can be like that for us. Our plans point one way, but reality goes another way. But with God, our time and lives can be turned into beautiful displays of His compassion, love, and restoration. God told the people of Judah (Joel 2:21) that He would “repay” them for their lost or destroyed years—brought about by a “locust swarm” (v. 25). He continues to work to help us in the challenges and unfulfilled dreams we face. For we serve a Redeemer God who honors and rewards our sacrifices for Him (Matthew 19:29).

Whether we’re facing a devastating challenge or a time of unrealized dreams, may we call out to the God who restores and give Him praise.

By: Katara Patton
 
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I really agree with you Bella and I've been asking myself tough questions and doing some in depth examinations to see how I got into certain situations and I've been praying about healing from bad situations and also praying about what to do in my current situation. I did vet the current church but it looks like I got a bit tripped up. But it only been a few months there, not years, like the other situations. Seeing red flags, I became concerned, discussed my problems here and with people in person to get feedback, prayed about things which is most important, and now I'm prayerfully and conscientiously taking actions. I don't want to sit back for abuse, I've had too much of it my entire life. It's been really hard. When you grow up being abuse, you accept it as your norm. But praise God for Jesus, I don't have to sit under anyone's abuse. God is helping me and thank you and everyone here for the words of wisdom.



I don’t mean to be forward or negative or hurt your feelings. But people don’t want to hear our problems or try to get feedback out of them. Wherein your heart on your sleeve invites abuse. I am a quiet person around people, normies. So I stay quiet and learn about having a regular relationship, not a dependent one.lol. I have better luck that way and people don’t know all my personal stuff. Now I can talk a little about real stuff and join in when I want. Maybe your upclose and personal though, it’s just what works for me. I can’t tell them all about my past. Please forgive me for any too much strength.

Personally I’m dying to hear someone talk to me. But I’ve got in some bad relationships with people that have turned toxic. Will I be wiser next time? It remains to be seen. Honestly.
 
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I really agree with you Bella

I’m glad you received that in the spirit I intended. I debated if I’d respond in deference to your feelings. I knew what had to be said. It can be difficult to hear when you’re hurting. But the pain will worsen without change. Each situation chips away at you.

We attract what we are. If you’re wounded you’ll draw the same and opportunists. There’s always duality. The reverse holds true. If you’re strong you’ll draw the same and people who want to lean or desire fixing.

I share that to illustrate the necessity of discrimination. Everyone doesn’t come from God. The enemy sends his share. They’re meant to weigh you down, wear you out, and prevent you from fulfilling your purpose.

Distraction and pain are his number one arsenals. We can’t help him derail us. When you’ve had a lot of missteps you need a reset. That means time with the GPS. Not saying or doing anything. But listening.

The better you hear from God the less wrong turns you’ll take. If you’re uncertain stay still. Allow Him to recalibrate your frequency to His.

That’s best accomplished when alone. Starting talking to Him. About everything. Spiritual and natural. You’ll have a running dialogue after awhile. And He never stops. He’ll interrupt your thoughts.

Keep a notebook near. You’ll get a lot. And ask what’s on His heart before you pray. You’ll enter another sphere relationally and bear fruit in the natural and spiritual.

I’ve shared in the past that He builds my connections. Whenever I operate outside those parameters it goes awry. Every single time. It kept happening until I got the hint that He wanted to maintain it and took my hands off.

There’s connections He won’t permit. People He’s forbidden me to contact. He knows them in ways I don’t. Sometimes He gives me a word, dream, or disturbs my spirit with an internal alarm that won’t abate.

He does the same with my time, behavior and discourse. There’s things He won’t allow me to discuss. Not even here. Over time I develop a boundary of sorts. Operating within the confines He sets. And life is peaceful.

I had a bad habit of helpfulness. That isn’t wrong per se. But it brought a lot of hurt and hardship. Most of the time He didn’t tell me to get involved. I was being nice, kind, etc.

A dream was the turning point. He showed me a girl on a train. The people weren’t nice. I moved to a different car and saw a small group of girls. They were radiant, laughing, and huddled together. I was drawn to them and smiled.

Then He returned to the girl once more. She was holding a sewing machine. My gift from Him. The metal kind. It was out of place and didn’t belong in that setting. Nor did I. And I understood the message.

We must go where He leads. We can put ourselves in environments that look right on the outside. But we’re out of place. We don’t belong there. The gift will never be valued.

I quit putting myself in those situations. He needed me elsewhere. I still help people. But I wait for His signal now.
 
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I’m glad you received that in the spirit I intended. I debated if I’d respond in deference to your feelings. I knew what had to be said. It can be difficult to hear when you’re hurting. But the pain will worsen without change. Each situation chips away at you.

We attract what we are. If you’re wounded you’ll draw the same and opportunists. There’s always duality. The reverse holds true. If you’re strong you’ll draw the same and people who want to lean or desire fixing.

I share that to illustrate the necessity of discrimination. Everyone doesn’t come from God. The enemy sends his share. They’re meant to weigh you down, wear you out, and prevent you from fulfilling your purpose.

Distraction and pain are his number one arsenals. We can’t help him derail us. When you’ve had a lot of missteps you need a reset. That means time with the GPS. Not saying or doing anything. But listening.

The better you hear from God the less wrong turns you’ll take. If you’re uncertain stay still. Allow Him to recalibrate your frequency to His.

That’s best accomplished when alone. Starting talking to Him. About everything. Spiritual and natural. You’ll have a running dialogue after awhile. And He never stops. He’ll interrupt your thoughts.

Keep a notebook near. You’ll get a lot. And ask what’s on His heart before you pray. You’ll enter another sphere relationally and bear fruit in the natural and spiritual.

I’ve shared in the past that He builds my connections. Whenever I operate outside those parameters it goes awry. Every single time. It kept happening until I got the hint that He wanted to maintain it and took my hands off.

There’s connections He won’t permit. People He’s forbidden me to contact. He knows them in ways I don’t. Sometimes He gives me a word, dream, or disturbs my spirit with an internal alarm that won’t abate.

He does the same with my time, behavior and discourse. There’s things He won’t allow me to discuss. Not even here. Over time I develop a boundary of sorts. Operating within the confines He sets. And life is peaceful.

I had a bad habit of helpfulness. That isn’t wrong per se. But it brought a lot of hurt and hardship. Most of the time He didn’t tell me to get involved. I was being nice, kind, etc.

A dream was the turning point. He showed me a girl on a train. The people weren’t nice. I moved to a different car and saw a small group of girls. They were radiant, laughing, and huddled together. I was drawn to them and smiled.

Then He returned to the girl once more. She was holding a sewing machine. My gift from Him. The metal kind. It was out of place and didn’t belong in that setting. Nor did I. And I understood the message.

We must go where He leads. We can put ourselves in environments that look right on the outside. But we’re out of place. We don’t belong there. The gift will never be valued.

I quit putting myself in those situations. He needed me elsewhere. I still help people. But I wait for His signal now.

I really appreciate you Bella. Thank you for being so frank. Lately it is my workplace and my current church which are where my spirit is grieved and that's what prompted me to write this original post as I was reflecting.

I completely identify with what you are saying. I talk to God like I would talk to a best friend, right here and now, it's a running dialogue and I've been doing that for years. It has been so helpful to me! He does tell us to be in constant prayer and of course that is because the enemy is always roaming around. I too always loved to help. Now I wait on God's leading. I love to reach out to people. Now, if He tells me not to reach out to someone, I don't, though sometimes I do wonder. Sometimes He reveals to me why, other times He doesn't, and I just trust Him. Healing is a process and CF has been part of the process, since I was bold enough to really start opening up about what I was going through and everyone has been pouring in words of wisdom. It has been so helpful. God bless everyone and help us in all of our struggles. This is part of walking that straight and narrow path.
 
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I don’t mean to be forward or negative or hurt your feelings. But people don’t want to hear our problems or try to get feedback out of them. Wherein your heart on your sleeve invites abuse. I am a quiet person around people, normies. So I stay quiet and learn about having a regular relationship, not a dependent one.lol. I have better luck that way and people don’t know all my personal stuff. Now I can talk a little about real stuff and join in when I want. Maybe your upclose and personal though, it’s just what works for me. I can’t tell them all about my past. Please forgive me for any too much strength.

Personally I’m dying to hear someone talk to me. But I’ve got in some bad relationships with people that have turned toxic. Will I be wiser next time? It remains to be seen. Honestly.

I have become quieter as God has given me more wisdom so I don't open up as quickly or as much as I would have before. But even with being cautious, there are still opportunities to get burned because the devil is very active. But God is gracious and gives me discernment, for which I am grateful. It can be hard being introverted but God can use that to protect us, so let's keep being prayerful and seeking His face. Thank you.
 
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I love to reach out to people. Now, if He tells me not to reach out to someone, I don't, though sometimes I do wonder.
Don't change too much! You have a gentle and humble spirit, I always thought you screen name was very appropriate and have liked your posts that seem to be kind and gentle in the middle of quarrels. Now I understand we must protect ourselves a bit, but there is a place for the sheep amongst the wolves. Praying you find the balance that both protects you and pleases God.
 
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Don't change too much! You have a gentle and humble spirit, I always thought you screen name was very appropriate and have liked your posts that seem to be kind and gentle in the middle of quarrels. Now I understand we must protect ourselves a bit, but there is a place for the sheep amongst the wolves. Praying you find the balance that both protects you and pleases God.

Amen, thank you Jacks :) I have grown in the spirit through my relationship with god. I've become more cautious and discerning. Positive changes :)
 
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I really appreciate you Bella. Thank you for being so frank. Lately it is my workplace and my current church which are where my spirit is grieved and that's what prompted me to write this original post as I was reflecting.

You’re welcome. If I recall you’re a teacher? What about the job is troubling?
 
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You’re welcome. If I recall you’re a teacher? What about the job is troubling?

I'm a bit afraid to write about all the details given the situation. I thought about making a second post on it but I'll write about it here since you asked about what is troubling. I will sum up the situation by saying that there is a lot of favoritism and nepotism in operation, at times when I try to communicate my needs I am ignored by admin so I don't really have the support I need in doing my job, and it seems that anything I say to one particular person will be communicated to admin and it may not even be in the way that I intended so this causes negativity towards me. I mean, I perceive there's some negativity towards me... but that's just the bare bones of it, I'm afraid to write more. I'm praying and looking for something better and trusting God to provide.
 
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