Jesus rose on what day?

guevaraj said:

Brother, here is the report of the women when they "saw the tomb where his body was placed". They prepared the spices before the Sabbath began but did not have time to use them before the Sabbath.

As his body was taken away, the women from Galilee followed and saw the tomb where his body was placed. Then they went home and prepared spices and ointments to anoint his body. But by the time they were finished the Sabbath had begun, so they rested as required by the law. (Luke 23:55-56 NLT)​

Below, they carried the spices prepared before the Sabbath to the tomb at "sunrise". The women did not know that Jesus had already risen! This narrative does not allow them to discover that Jesus rose before bringing the spices, as you interpret Matthew's account of these women discovering that Jesus is no longer in the tomb before bringing the spices.

Saturday evening, when the Sabbath ended, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome went out and purchased burial spices so they could anoint Jesus’ body. Very early on Sunday morning, just at sunrise, they went to the tomb. On the way they were asking each other, “Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance to the tomb?” But as they arrived, they looked up and saw that the stone, which was very large, had already been rolled aside. (Mark 16:1-4 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

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I don’t specifically know what you are asking. So…. I will give an account of what took place ….then you can tell me how messed up I am …and we can go from there. That way I can provide the relevant scripture without going through everything.

Am not looking for any depth I just need to know where you specifically disagree.


Christ was crucified Wednesday Nisan 14 (He was the Passover lamb) and died around (3pm our time) ….He was in the tomb before sunset 14 Nisan. Before sunset would allow Joseph of Arimathea to petition Pilate for Christ body and to place Him in the tomb ….and then allow time for Nicodemus to do the grave wrappings.


Thursday after sunset would begin Nisan 15, which was the beginning of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which was a High day.... Special sabbath. No work could be done on this day.

Friday Nisan 16 the women acquired the spices and ointments and prepared them. The plan was to embalm the body on Sunday, since Saturday was the weekly sabbath.

Saturday Nisan 17 was the weekly sabbath…. No work could be done.

Sometime Saturday (before sunset) Jesus Christ was raised from the dead. And at some point, went witnessing to the imprisoned spirits.

It was at the close of the 17th that the two Mary’s came to gaze upon the tomb. The were not there to anoint Jesus, they just went there to gaze upon. (Mat 28:1) ….Then ….after they left ….was the great earthquake …and Jesus Was raised.

Chronologically, the next event that takes place is Jhn 20:1 When Mary Magdalene with the aid of a ¾ moon comes to the tomb early on the first day of the week (Sunday Nisan 18) while it was still dark.

sandman said:

I don’t specifically know what you are asking. So…. I will give an account of what took place ….then you can tell me how messed up I am …and we can go from there. That way I can provide the relevant scripture without going through everything.

Am not looking for any depth I just need to know where you specifically disagree.


Christ was crucified Wednesday Nisan 14 (He was the Passover lamb) and died around (3pm our time) ….He was in the tomb before sunset 14 Nisan. Before sunset would allow Joseph of Arimathea to petition Pilate for Christ body and to place Him in the tomb ….and then allow time for Nicodemus to do the grave wrappings.


Thursday after sunset would begin Nisan 15, which was the beginning of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which was a High day.... Special sabbath. No work could be done on this day.

Friday Nisan 16 the women acquired the spices and ointments and prepared them. The plan was to embalm the body on Sunday, since Saturday was the weekly sabbath.

Saturday Nisan 17 was the weekly sabbath…. No work could be done.

Sometime Saturday (before sunset) Jesus Christ was raised from the dead. And at some point, went witnessing to the imprisoned spirits.

It was at the close of the 17th that the two Mary’s came to gaze upon the tomb. The were not there to anoint Jesus, they just went there to gaze upon. (Mat 28:1) ….Then ….after they left ….was the great earthquake …and Jesus Was raised.

Chronologically, the next event that takes place is Jhn 20:1 When Mary Magdalene with the aid of a ¾ moon comes to the tomb early on the first day of the week (Sunday Nisan 18) while it was still dark.

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Twenty-two Problems with the Wednesday Crucifixion Theory
(just two of the 22)
The Wednesday crucifixion theory has many difficulties 22 of which are listed below.

It has Jesus in the grave, as determined by inclusive reckoning, for parts of four days (Daylight portions of Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Sabbath).

It is inconsistent with the Gospel writers reckoning of the days. Since all four refer to the crucifixion day as a day of preparation (Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:42) yet they record differently which day was the Passover, the day after the crucifixion must be a seventh-day Sabbath. In their record of which day was Passover they would necessarily reckon the preparation of the Passover differently.

The Wednesday Crucifixion Theory has many Problems

Original Happy Camper said:

Twenty-two Problems with the Wednesday Crucifixion Theory
(just two of the 22)
The Wednesday crucifixion theory has many difficulties 22 of which are listed below.

It has Jesus in the grave, as determined by inclusive reckoning, for parts of four days (Daylight portions of Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Sabbath).

It is inconsistent with the Gospel writers reckoning of the days. Since all four refer to the crucifixion day as a day of preparation (Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:42) yet they ,record differently which day was the Passover the day after the crucifixion must be a seventh-day Sabbath. In their record of which day was Passover they would necessarily reckon the preparation of the Passover differently.

The Wednesday Crucifixion Theory has many Problems

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I am just anil enough to go through all of those...but now now ....At a cursory glance thee are several statements based on errors including your statement.
It is inconsistent with the Gospel writers reckoning of the days. Since all four refer to the crucifixion day as a day of preparation (Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:42) yet they ,record differently which day was the Passover the day
Literally preparation started at the first of the month, but could be anytime up until the day of.

NASB
[Mat 28:1 NASB95] 1 Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.
[Mar 16:2 NASB95] 2 Very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.
[Luk 24:1 NASB95] 1 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.
[Jhn 20:1, 19 NASB95] 1 Now on the first [day] of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone [already] taken away from the tomb. ... 19 So when it was evening on that day, the first [day] of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them, "Peace [be] with you."

KJV
[Mat 28:1 KJV] 1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
[Mar 16:2 KJV] 2 And very early in the morning the first [day] of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
[Luk 24:1 KJV] 1 Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them.
[Jhn 20:1, 19 KJV] 1 The first [day] of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. ... 19 Then the same day at evening, being the first [day] of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you.

DBY
[Mar 16:2, 9 DBY] 2 And very early on the first [day] of the week they come to the sepulchre, the sun having risen. ... 9 Now when he had risen very early, the first [day] of the week, he appeared first to Mary of Magdala, out of whom he had cast seven demons.
[Jhn 20:1, 19 DBY] 1 And on the first [day] of the week Mary of Magdala comes in early morn to the tomb, while it was still dark, and sees the stone taken away from the tomb. ... 19 When therefore it was evening on that day, which was the first [day] of the week, and the doors shut where the disciples were, through fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and says to them, Peace [be] to you.

NIV
[Mat 28:1 NIV] 1 After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
[Mar 16:2, 9 NIV] 2 Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb ... 9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons.
[Luk 24:1 NIV] 1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.
[Jhn 20:1 NIV] 1 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.

ASV
[Mat 28:1 ASV] 1 Now late on the sabbath day, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
[Mar 16:2, 9 ASV] 2 And very early on the first day of the week, they come to the tomb when the sun was risen. ... 9 Now when he was risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.
[Luk 24:1 ASV] 1 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came unto the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared.
[Jhn 20:1, 19 ASV] 1 Now on the first [day] of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, while it was yet dark, unto the tomb, and seeth the stone taken away from the tomb. ... 19 When therefore it was evening, on that day, the first [day] of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you.

So many teams of translators, all experts in Greek, read the manuscripts and arrived at the same conclusion … “the first day of the week” is what the manuscripts say. They lived and worked scattered across 4 centuries, but all agreed that the meaning of the text is “the first day of the week”. SUNDAY is the first day of the week and the SABBATH is the seventh day of the week (reread Genesis 1 if you do not understand why).

Can anyone understand why I would be so utterly reluctant to accept that Greek experts have been mistranslating the Bible into English for 400 years and now, praise God, YOU have come along to correct all of them and present the REAL TRUTH to me.

If you believe that the text should be translated “the seventh day of the week”, then I suggest you publish a paper in an academic journal for peer review. I will wait to see how your peers respond before I consider “correcting” the WORD OF GOD in my Bible.

For now, I place your suggestion in the file beside the photo of Bigfoot.

Shalom,
A.T.P.

sandman said:

I am just anil enough to go through all of those...but now now ....At a cursory glance thee are several statements based on errors including your statement.
It is inconsistent with the Gospel writers reckoning of the days. Since all four refer to the crucifixion day as a day of preparation (Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:42) yet they ,record differently which day was the Passover the day
Literally preparation started at the first of the month, but could be anytime up until the day of.

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The word in Greek means Friday. Also a Wednesday crucifixion is impossible because the witnesses on the road to Emmaus said THAT day (Sunday) was the 3rd day since those events occurred...so thoseevents occurred on Friday.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

The word in Greek means Friday. Also a Wednesday crucifixion is impossible because the witnesses on the road to Emmaus said THAT day (Sunday) was the 3rd day since those events occurred...so thoseevents occurred on Friday.

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those that are unable to see the folly of their ways will never change due to pride

guevaraj said:

Brother, it's not what the original says! The reason the translators changed what God wrote, Sabbaths (plural), in the expression "first of the Sabbaths", to mean something other than what God wrote, a "week" instead of "Sabbaths" is because of the following passage. They assume that the word Sabbath in the following passage represents a "week" and not a Sabbath, because Jews do not fast on the Sabbath. Therefore, according to Jewish practices, Sabbath in the following verse must mean a "week" instead of what God wrote. Here, in this passage, it is where the translators pick up the practice of substituting a week when God's word says a Sabbath.

I fast twice a week (Sabbath), and I give you a tenth of my income.’ (Luke 18:12 NLT)​

Something else worth mentioning is that the translators ignore that the word Sabbath in the previous passage is singular and in the expression of God it is plural. Contrary to their assumption based on Jewish practices, Jesus shows that it is lawful to fast on the Sabbath in the following passage. The translators have no authority to change what God wrote based on human traditions.

Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted there by the devil. For forty days and forty nights he fasted and became very hungry. (Matthew 4:1-2 NLT)​

Here is a more literal translation that shows the difficulty they faced in translating this text. CLV at the end of the reference refers to the translation called: Concordant Literal Version (CLV). The first phrase with the word Sabbaths seams to suggest the end of the Sabbath in the evening, but the second phrase with the word Sabbaths suggests an earlier time in the middle of a Sabbath. The translators want to reconcile these two different times rather than translate what God actually wrote that I understand, but they didn't.

Now it is the evening of the sabbaths. At the lighting up into one of the sabbaths came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to behold the sepulcher. (Matthew 28:1 CLV)​

The reason I think the text should be translated differently is because I have already arrived at the same conclusion a different way than through the translation of this text. There is a way to arrive at the same conclusion without the need to go to the original language.

This is more for those who work with the original languages. I have an earlier thread on the other way that I came to the same conclusion, titled: "Are different Sabbaths true?". United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

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[Matthew 28:1]
[Mark 16:2]
[Luke 24:1]
[John 20:1]
[John 20:19 ]

You addressed MATTHEW 28 and ignored all of the parallel passages that describe the exact same day. It is poor scholarship to build a doctrine and then hunt for scripture to support it while ignoring anything that does not. By RE-TRANSLATING the Word, you are moving from SDA methods to Jehovah's Witness methodology (which is not a good thing, IMO).

There are TWO Sabbaths (setting aside the Holy Days in the LAW of Moses) ... there is the seventh day of the week (Saturday) blessed by God as a shadow of the spiritual SABBATH OF GOD (Hebrews 4:9) which is the reality foreshadowed by "Saturday". None of which has ANYTHING to do with Jesus exiting the Tomb and appearing to people on Sunday after sunrise. You are denying the recorded testimony of the eye-witnesses to advance a pet theory based on a preference for when you want Jesus to have risen. You are building with straw.

Here:
[Luke 24:13, 20-21 NASB95] 13 And behold, two of them were going that very day to a village named Emmaus, which was about seven miles from Jerusalem. ... 20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to the sentence of death, and crucified Him. 21 "But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, it is the third day since these things happened.

Were these pious disciples walking 7+ miles to a village on the sabbath? (far greater than the 3/4 mile maximum allowed).

• "it is the third day since these things happened" ... "these things" = "the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to the sentence of death, and crucified Him".

Good Friday to Resurrection Sunday fits the recorded narrative. It was the third day and they were not traveling on the Sabbath.

atpollard said:

Here:
[Luke 24:13, 20-21 NASB95] 13 And behold, two of them were going that very day to a village named Emmaus, which was about seven miles from Jerusalem. ... 20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to the sentence of death, and crucified Him. 21 "But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, it is the third day since these things happened.

Were these pious disciples walking 7+ miles to a village on the sabbath? (far greater than the 3/4 mile maximum allowed).

• "it is the third day since these things happened" ... "these things" = "the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to the sentence of death, and crucified Him".

Good Friday to Resurrection Sunday fits the recorded narrative. It was the third day and they were not traveling on the Sabbath.

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There was a reason for that within Judaism...proof...2 witnesses
"on the evidence of two or three witnesses a matter shall be confirmed"