Did Yahshua Rise on the 7th Day Shabbat...

HARK! · Jan 21, 2022

Humble Penny said:
So we see that the 370 Days of Noah's Flood decisively proves the length of the year and months. And we clearly see in this beautiful calendar the perfection and beauty of God, and it matches what we read in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Can you provide the verses by which you make this assertion; so that they can be easily compared with the calendar representation that you presented in post Post #104?

It would be valuable to cite the Dead Sea Scroll references too.

To better seal your logical argument, it would be valuable to edit them into Post #104.

klutedavid · Jan 21, 2022

daq said:
The DSS do not prove anything of the sort and, in fact, they believed the year to be a solar year of 364 days based on their understanding of the solar year and the Book of the Luminaries. Just because you see lunar months mentioned somewhere doesn't mean that is what they observed.

The DSS had the phrase 'lunar month" in brackets. I was pointing that out to humble penny.

We know that the Old Testament calendar was based on lunar months.

A lunar month is 29.5 days long, each of the twelve lunar months are either, 29 day or 30 day months.

Each lunar year is twelve lunar months long.

Every two to three years, an extra month is added to the year, to correct the drift of the lunar calendar.

Adding a month to one year in three years, does not change a lunar year into a solar year.

If any calendar has lunar based months, then that is a lunar calendar.

klutedavid · Jan 21, 2022

Humble Penny said:
Lol! You seem to have clearly ignored post # 38 where I already laid out the count for all four doctrines concerning the burial and resurrection of Yeshua. So, I have reposted it below:

There are some key words we miss from our Lord, and these words help us prove that He didn't count the first day He was buried:

“Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem; and the Son of Man will be delivered to the chief priests and scribes, and they will condemn Him to death, and will hand Him over to the Gentiles to mock and scourge and crucify Him, and on the third day He will be raised up.”
Matthew 20:18‭-‬19 NASB1995 (emphasis added mine)

"He is not here, but He has risen. Remember how He spoke to you while He was still in Galilee, saying that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.”
Luke 24:6‭-‬7 NASB1995 (emphasis added mine)

"But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, it is the third day since these things happened."
Luke 24:21 NASB1995 (emphasis added mine)

"and said, “Sir, we remember that when He was still alive that deceiver said, ‘After three days I am to rise again.’ Therefore, give orders for the grave to be made secure until the third day, otherwise His disciples may come and steal Him away and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead,’ and the last deception will be worse than the first.”
Matthew 27:63‭-‬64 NASB1995 (emphasis added mine)

Notice the emphasis on everything being accomplished on the 3rd Day, the opponents and disciples of Christ clearly understood the true meaning of our Lord's words and how the count was to go for the days. I will deomnstrate that according to this understnading that Yeshua didn't count the first day He was buried as it was towards the evening, therefore the only logical conclusion would be that He counted the morning and noon periods as "1 Day"...and really when you ponder this it makes sense as God begins the day in the morning when He said, "Let there be light." so it would only be logical that this same method of counting was being used. This means we have four competing burial doctrines:

The Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday burial doctines complete the 3 Days and 3 Nights with Yeshua rising from the dead on either Friday, Saturday, or Sunday after 3 Days and 3 Nights. And to remain objective I will show with this correct count that the Friday burial leads to a Monday resurrection...

Tuesday Burial and Friday Resurrection

14th - Tuesday

0 Days & 1 Night

15th - Wednesday

1 Days & 2 Nights

16th - Thursday

2 Days & 3 Nights

17th - Friday

3 Days 3 Nights

Wednesday Burial and Saturday Resurrection

14th - Wednesday

0 Days & 1 Night

15th - Thursday

1 Days & 2 Nights

16th - Friday

2 Days & 3 Nights

17th - Saturday

3 Days 3 Nights

Thursday Burial and Sunday Resurrection

14th - Thursday

0 Days & 1 Night

15th - Friday

1 Days & 2 Nights

16th - Saturday

2 Days & 3 Nights

17th - Sunday

3 Days 3 Nights

Friday Burial and Sunday Resurrection

14th - Friday

0 Days & 1 Night

15th - Saturday

1 Days & 2 Nights

16th - Sunday

2 Days & 3 Nights

17th - Monday

3 Days 3 Nights

Seeing that all four burial doctrines complete the required 3 Days & 3 Nights we must ask ourselves which truly is the one to follow since they all meet the Abib 14 date...or do they? This is where Genesis 1:1-2:3 becomes crucial in seeing which of these four burial doctrines is correct and which are false:

1st Month of Abib/Spring
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_________01 02 03 04 (God creates the luminaries)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18 (Passover/Feast of Unleveaned Bread)
19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (7th/8th Day of Feast of Unleavened)
26 27 28 29 30______

The calendar year can only start on the 4th Day/Wednesday since that is when God created the luminaries: therefore this marks the beginning of the 1st Day of Abib of the 1st Year of the world. What's the significane of the 6th Day/Friday?

3rd Day/Tuesday
God gathers the waters and calls them seas; and God calls the dry land from the seas and calls it earth; and God commands the earth to briong forth fruit trees, grass, plants, and herbs.

...3 Days and 3 Nights later...

6th Day/Friday
God creates animals and man from the dust of the ground making them make and female, and commanding them to be fruitful and multiply; of these creations Go makes man in His Image and Likeness and gives us dominion over the whole earth and the rest of His creation.

Adam is a type of Christ...and Revelation tells us at the end of 6,000 Years Christ will return to rule over the earth for 1,000 Years with His saints...don't know about you guys but not only does the Tuesday Burial and Friday Resurrection fit the calendar of Genesis 1:1-2:3, but it also lines up with prophectic fulfillments of Christ Yeshua.

Not my job to tell anyone what to believe but...the evidence speaks for itself...

How can Jesus rise on the third day?

If Jesus is in the tomb on the third day and third night.

Matthew 20:18‭-‬19, says that Jesus rose on the third day, not after the third day and third night.

HARK! · Jan 21, 2022

klutedavid said:
The Old Testament as defined by the Vulgate.

The Septuagint.

How do you define the phrase, 'The Old Testament'?

I don't. I don't use that expression. I don't believe that YHWH died. Yahshua and his disciples referred to scripture. Some of that scripture cannot be found in the Septuagint nor the Vulgate, for example the Book of Jubilees. The Zadokim, those who YHWH charged with preserving the Torah, called it Torah. That would make sense; in that one doesn't have to read very far into the book to find out that Moses wrote it, according to YHWH's instruction. Yahshua's Apostles quoted from it, in what I assume you call scripture, their writings.

Yahshua called the Book of Enoch scripture as he referenced it to those who didn't rightly know scripture. Yahshua's Apostles referenced it too. It has been said that the Book of Enoch is the most quoted book in your Bible, that is not in your Bible.

You would have known this; had you read through this study. This was already covered.

daq · Jan 21, 2022

klutedavid said:
The DSS had the phrase 'lunar month" in brackets. I was pointing that out to humble penny.

We know that the Old Testament calendar was based on lunar months.

A lunar month is 29.5 days long, each of the twelve lunar months are either, 29 day or 30 day months.

Each lunar year is twelve lunar months long.

Every two to three years, an extra month is added to the year, to correct the drift of the lunar calendar.

Adding a month to one year in three years, does not change a lunar year into a solar year.

If any calendar has lunar based months, then that is a lunar calendar.

I asked for evidence from the Torah. Assertions without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, and I do not accept Sanhedrin handwritten ordinances, dogmas, and decrees that were nailed to the stake.

Moreover it would be wise to study and find out the difference between a hodesh and a yerach.

Exodus 2:1-2 KJV
1 And there went a man of the house of Levi, and took to wife a daughter of Levi.
2 And the woman conceived, and bare a son: and when she saw him that he was a goodly child, she hid him three months.

And after you understand the difference then maybe you will understand why you cannot show me from the Torah any appointed times or feasts that are to be observed according to any particular yerach.

A hodesh is not a yerach and yet you say, "we know", and proceed to expound lunar months as if that is what the Torah teaches. And who is "we"? You and the Sanhedrin? What happened to Paul? That's quite a change since the first time we spoke.

klutedavid · Jan 21, 2022

daq said:
I asked for evidence from the Torah. Assertions without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, and I do not accept Sanhedrin handwritten ordinances, dogmas, and decrees that were nailed to the stake.

That is your interpretation of the data.

Moreover it would be wise to study and find out the difference between a hodesh and a yerach.

Exodus 2:1-2 KJV
1 And there went a man of the house of Levi, and took to wife a daughter of Levi.
2 And the woman conceived, and bare a son: and when she saw him that he was a goodly child, she hid him three months.

And after you understand the difference then maybe you will understand why you cannot show me from the Torah any appointed times or feasts that are to be observed according to any particular yerach.

Whether a feast or an appointed time means something to you. It has no relevance to whether Israel was following a lunar calendar.

A hodesh is not a yerach and yet you say, "we know", and proceed to expound lunar months as if that is what the Torah teaches. And who is "we"? You and the Sanhedrin? What happened to Paul? That's quite a change since the first time we spoke.[/QUOTE]
Here are two of examples of the occurrence of a lunar month. A month based on the sighting of the new moon. From the era before the messiah was revealed.

1 Samuel 20:27
But it came about the next day, the second day of the new moon, that David’s place was empty again; so Saul said to his son Jonathan, “Why has the son of Jesse not come to the meal, either yesterday or today?”

1 Samuel 20:34
Then Jonathan got up from the table in the heat of anger, and did not eat food on the second day of the new moon, because he was worried about David since his father had insulted him.

Now you know the relevance of the new moon in the scripture. They counted the days of the month from the evening of the new moon. Now you need to answer my reply with an example; where a solar month was mentioned in the scripture. If you cannot supply one solar month then I win.

The new moon was the start of the month in ancient Israel.

That sighting of the start of the month was a lunar reckoning, a lunar based month of 29 or 30 days.

Twelve lunar months is one lunar year.

A solar month is not based on the new moon. A solar month is 30 to 31 days.

Ancient Israel never celebrated a solar year. A solar year requires a level of mathematics that ancient Israel did not possess.

klutedavid · Jan 21, 2022

HARK! said:
I don't. I don't use that expression. I don't believe that YHWH died. Yahshua and his disciples referred to scripture. Some of that scripture cannot be found in the Septuagint nor the Vulgate, for example the Book of Jubilees. The Zadokim, those who YHWH charged with preserving the Torah, called it Torah. That would make sense; in that one doesn't have to read very far into the book to find out that Moses wrote it, according to YHWH's instruction. Yahshua's Apostles quoted from it, in what I assume you call scripture, their writings.

Yahshua called the Book of Enoch scripture as he referenced it to those who didn't rightly know scripture. Yahshua's Apostles referenced it too. It has been said that the Book of Enoch is the most quoted book in your Bible, that is not in your Bible.

You would have known this; had you read through this study. This was already covered.

I do have some knowledge of the texts missing from the modern translations.

The majority of the quotations based on the life of the messiah were from the Septuagint.

The Septuagint was a Koine Greek translation of the Hebrew scripture.

Protestant Bibles are based on the Masoretic text.

Protestant Bibles are a thousand years later than the Vulgate.

The Vulgate was a fourth century translation based on the Septuagint.

There are books missing from the Protestant Old Testament such as, Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Wisdom of Jesus ben Sira (Sirach), Baruch, Letter of Jeremiah, Daniel 1, Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, 3 Maccabees, 1 Esdras.

I use the Vulgate (Septuagint) as I do not trust the Masoretic text.

I do not use a Protestant Old Testament.

HARK! · Jan 21, 2022

klutedavid said:
That is your interpretation of the data.

I created this thread as a study, not a bickering match. I made that clear to most of those who I invited. I updated the OP to make that clear to everyone.

HARK! said:
This thread serves as a study. Please support your assertions or rebuttals with verifiable references.

klutedavid · Jan 21, 2022

HARK! said:
I created this thread as a study, not a bickering match. I made that clear to most of those who I invited. I updated the OP to make that clear to everyone.

Relax Hark, take a breath.

It is a conversation between different factions within Christianity.

HARK! · Jan 21, 2022

klutedavid said:
Relax Hark, take a breath.

It is a conversation between different factions within Christianity.

You are incorrect. The purpose of this thread is a study. I made that clear in the OP. I am the OP. I dictate the purpose of the thread. Can we get back on topic now?

klutedavid · Jan 21, 2022

HARK! said:
I created this thread as a study, not a bickering match. I made that clear to most of those who I invited. I updated the OP to make that clear to everyone.

I will answer the OP, OK.

No one, has any idea, when Jesus rose from the tomb, as the exact time was never recorded.

We only have the day that Jesus was witnessed as having risen from the tomb.

That testimony of the day that the disciples, saw Jesus as having risen, was on the first day.

klutedavid · Jan 21, 2022

HARK! said:
You are incorrect. The purpose of this thread is a study. I made that clear in the OP. I am the OP. I dictate the purpose of the thread. Can we get back on topic now?

I will depart in that case.

daq · Jan 21, 2022

klutedavid said:
That is your interpretation of the data.Whether a feast or an appointed time means something to you. It has no relevance to whether Israel was following a lunar calendar.

Here are two of examples of the occurrence of a lunar month. A month based on the sighting of the new moon. From the era before the messiah was revealed.

1 Samuel 20:27
But it came about the next day, the second day of the new moon, that David’s place was empty again; so Saul said to his son Jonathan, “Why has the son of Jesse not come to the meal, either yesterday or today?”

1 Samuel 20:34
Then Jonathan got up from the table in the heat of anger, and did not eat food on the second day of the new moon, because he was worried about David since his father had insulted him.

Now you know the relevance of the new moon in the scripture. They counted the days of the month from the evening of the new moon. Now you need to answer my reply with an example; where a solar month was mentioned in the scripture. If you cannot supply one solar month then I win.

The new moon was the start of the month in ancient Israel.

That sighting of the start of the month was a lunar reckoning, a lunar based month of 29 or 30 days.

Twelve lunar months is one lunar year.

A solar month is not based on the new moon. A solar month is 30 to 31 days.

Ancient Israel never celebrated a solar year. A solar year requires a level of mathematics that ancient Israel did not possess.

Samuel the Prophet is not the Torah. However both passages you quoted contain hodesh, not yerach, and the LXX renders both verses as the second (day) of the month, (μηνος), not "new moon", which is strictly an English translation based on Sanhedrin authority and Pharisaic teachings. Moreover verses five and eighteen also contain hodesh, not yerach, and in both of those instances the LXX renders hodesh as new month, (νουμηνια/νεομηνια), not new moon, just as it does most everywhere else with hodesh, and this is the same word likewise used in the Apostolic writings.

1 Samuel 20:5 OG LXX
5 και ειπεν δαυιδ προς ιωναθαν ιδου δη νεομηνια αυριον και εγω καθισας ου καθησομαι μετα του βασιλεως φαγειν και εξαποστελεις με και κρυβησομαι εν τω πεδιω εως δειλης

1 Samuel 20:18 OG LXX
18 και ειπεν ιωναθαν αυριον νουμηνια και επισκεπηση οτι επισκεπησεται καθεδρα σου

1 Samuel 20:27 OG LXX
27 και εγενηθη τη επαυριον του μηνος τη ημερα τη δευτερα και επεσκεπη ο τοπος του δαυιδ και ειπεν σαουλ προς ιωναθαν τον υιον αυτου τι οτι ου παραγεγονεν ο υιος ιεσσαι και εχθες και σημερον επι την τραπεζαν

1 Samuel 20:34 OG LXX
34 και ανεπηδησεν ιωναθαν απο της τραπεζης εν οργη θυμου και ουκ εφαγεν εν τη δευτερα του μηνος αρτον οτι εθραυσθη επι τον δαυιδ οτι συνετελεσεν επ αυτον ο πατηρ αυτου

Colossians 2:16 T/R
16 μη ουν τις υμας κρινετω εν βρωσει η εν ποσει η εν μερει εορτης η νουμηνιας η σαββατων

Colossians 2:16 W/H
16 μη ουν τις υμας κρινετω εν βρωσει και εν ποσει η εν μερει εορτης η νεομηνιας η σαββατων

μηνος = G3376 μην = a month
G3561 νουμηνια/νεομηνια = G3501 νεος (new) + G3376 μην (month)

σεληνη = G4582 selene = the moon
G4583 σεληνιαζομαι = moon-struck (Mat 4:24, 17:15)

daq · Jan 21, 2022

HARK! said:
You are incorrect. The purpose of this thread is a study. I made that clear in the OP. I am the OP. I dictate the purpose of the thread. Can we get back on topic now?

I just now saw this so I will stop responding to that poster for now, (I didn't see it before my previous post).

Humble Penny · Jan 21, 2022

To explain what I shared on post #147 I asked myself the question:

If Yeshua died on Abib 14 Passover and was buried on either a Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday, then what day of the week would Abib 1 begin for each of these doctrines?

After all there are only 7 Days of the Week one may begin their calendar year on. When I started out the beginning of the year on the following days of the week I observed the following:

Saturday Burial Doctrines
Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Sunday will logically have Yeshua buried on Saturday Abib 14.

1st Month of Abib
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
08 09 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30_______________

Sunday Burial Doctrines
Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Monday will logically have Yeshua buried on Sunday Abib 14.

1st Month of Abib
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
___01 02 03 04 05 06
07 08 09 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30____________

Monday Burial Doctrines
Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Tuesday will logically have Yeshua buried on Monday Abib 14.

1st Month of Abib
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______01 02 03 04 05
06 07 08 09 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30_________

Tuesday Burial Doctrines
Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Wednesday will logically have Yeshua buried on Tuesday Abib 14.

1st Month of Abib
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_________01 02 03 04
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______

Wednesday Burial Doctrines
Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Thursday will logically have Yeshua buried on Wednesday Abib 14.

1st Month of Abib
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
____________01 02 03
04 05 06 07 08 09 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19 20 21 22 23 24
25 26 27 28 29 30___

Thursday Burial Doctrines
Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Friday will logically have Yeshua buried on Thursday Abib 14.

1st Month of Abib
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30

Friday Burial Doctrines
Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Saturday will logically have Yeshua buried on Friday Abib 14.

1st Month of Abib
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
__________________01
02 03 04 05 06 07 08
09 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30__________________

So with these simple and powerful observations I concluded it doesn't matter what calendar system or mode of counting you use. You will by default choose one of the seven options I laid out above to remain logically consistent with your own doctrine.

From here I asked myself two final questions:

What day of the week did God create the luminaries in Genesis 1:1-2:3?
What day of the week did the Qumran Community begin their calendar year in the Dead Sea Scrolls Mishmarot A (4Q320)?

The answers were undeniable:

God created the luminaries on the 4th Day/Wednesday.
The Qumran Community began their calendar year on the 4th Day/Wednesday.

If we recall our basic geometry lesson on right triangles we learned the following formula:

a² + b² = c²

This formula tells us that if you know the angles for two sides of a right triangle then you know the angle for the third side will be the sum of the first two sides.

In closing since we know that God created the luminaries on the 4th Day/Wednesday and the Qumran Community began their calendar year on the 4th Day/Wednesday then we know that out of all seven possible start dates for Abib 1: the Tuesday Burial Doctrines are the only ones which align with our first two documents.

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Calendar Year Begins with new plant life in the Spring
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"Then God said, “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it was good. Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them”; and it was so. The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good. There was evening and there was morning, a third day."
Genesis 1:9‭-‬13 NASB1995

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Calendar Year Begins on the 4th Day/Wednesday
=============================================
"Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also. God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day."
Genesis 1:14‭-‬19 NASB1995

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Humble Penny · Jan 21, 2022

Passover would've been eaten shortly after Yeshua's burial. The women actually did show up on Day 3 according to the narrative: it's that deceptive phrase, "the first day of the week" which throws people off as most people will not bother to read the Greek which says:

"Then after [the] Sabbaths it being dawn toward one [of the] Sabbaths, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary[...]"

As you can see clearly the interlinear shows what the translators added in the [square brackets]. And the Greek text shows that the women showed up between two Sabbath days!

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Tuesday - Abib 14 (Sabbath)
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Yeshua buried before evening then the
Jews rest because Passover evening is Sabbath.
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Friday - Abib 17
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Women at Tomb early in the morning. And this is after Sabbath for Passover/Feast of Unleavened Bread.
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Saturday - Abib 18
=========================

As you can see after making these necessary corrections to the text everything adds up. The women show up on the 3rd Day between the Sabbaths as we read in Greek.

Humble Penny · Jan 21, 2022

The phrase, "dawning towards one of the Sabbaths" simply means it was morning time. While not the clearest in English when translated literally, the Greek is simply telling us:

"Then after [the] Sabbath [of Passover] it being early in the morning [before the 7th Day] Sabbath, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary[...]"

The timeline of events and everything else I shared with you all number wise would justify this reading of the text.

daq · Jan 21, 2022

Humble Penny said:
To explain what I shared on post #147 I asked myself the question:

If Yeshua died on Abib 14 Passover and was buried on either a Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday, then what day of the week would Abib 1 begin for each of these doctrines?

After all there are only 7 Days of the Week one may begin their calendar year on. When I started out the beginning of the year on the following days of the week I observed the following:

Saturday Burial Doctrines

Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Sunday will logically have Yeshua buried on Saturday Abib 14.

Sunday Burial Doctrines

Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Monday will logically have Yeshua buried on Sunday Abib 14.

Monday Burial Doctrines

Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Tuesday will logically have Yeshua buried on Monday Abib 14.

Tuesday Burial Doctrines

Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Wednesday will logically have Yeshua buried on Tuesday Abib 14.

Wednesday Burial Doctrines

Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Thursday will logically have Yeshua buried on Wednesday Abib 14.

Thursday Burial Doctrines

Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Friday will logically have Yeshua buried on Thursday Abib 14.

Friday Burial Doctrines

Calendars which begin Abib 1 on Saturday will logically have Yeshua buried on Friday Abib 14.

So with these simple and powerful observations I concluded it doesn't matter what calendar system or mode of counting you use. You will by default choose one of the seven options I laid out above to remain logically consistent with your own doctrine.

From here I asked myself two final questions:

What day of the week did God create the luminaries in Genesis 1:1-2:3?

What day of the week did the Qumran Community begin their calendar year in the Dead Sea Scrolls Mishmarot A (4Q320)?

The answers were undeniable:

God created the luminaries on the 4th Day/Wednesday.

The Qumran Community began their calendar year on the 4th Day/Wednesday.

If we recall our basic geometry lesson on right triangles we learned the following formula:

a² + b² = c²

This formula tells us that if you know the angles for two sides of a right triangle then you know the angle for the third side will be the sum of the first two sides.

In closing since we know that God created the luminaries on the 4th Day/Wednesday and the Qumran Community began their calendar year on the 4th Day/Wednesday then we know that out of all seven possible start dates for Abib 1: the Tuesday Burial Doctrines are the only ones which align with our first two documents.

There are two equinoxes: vernal/spring, and autumnal/fall. Nothing says the original creation had to take place in the spring such as like the Damascus Community decided in formulating their calendar. Not that I accept tradition at face value, but most of tradition says that the creation took place in the fall, and we are never going to know the absolute truth about that one. Just because Mosheh was commanded, in Exodus 12:1-2, to make Abib/Nisan the first month of the months of the year, doesn't mean that equates to the creation having occurred in Abib/Nisan.

It should indeed have been at an equinox, for God divided the light from the darkness: equal light, equal darkness, an equinox, but we do not know for sure which equinox.

Humble Penny · Jan 21, 2022

daq said:
There are two equinoxes: vernal/spring, and autumnal/fall. Nothing says the original creation had to take place in the spring such as like the Damascus Community decided in formulating their calendar. Not that I accept tradition at face value, but most of tradition says that the creation took place in the fall, and we are never going to know the absolute truth about that one. Just because Mosheh was commanded, in Exodus 12:1-2, to make Abib/Nisan the first month of the months of the year, doesn't mean that equates to the creation having occurred in Abib/Nisan.

It should indeed have been at an equinox, for God divided the light from the darkness: equal light, equal darkness, an equinox, but we do not know for sure which equinox.

Well before we jump into equinoxes and the like, post #196 takes all of that into account regardless of what calendar system you use or what season you believe the year starts out on. None of what you mentioned will change the fact that Passover is observed in the 1st Month of Abib.

Humble Penny · Jan 21, 2022

daq said:
There are two equinoxes: vernal/spring, and autumnal/fall. Nothing says the original creation had to take place in the spring such as like the Damascus Community decided in formulating their calendar.

To answer this part of your post plainly, God created all new plant life from the earth on Day 3 in Genesis 1:9-13. The only season in which new life grows from the earth is spring, so Scripture tells us that God's calendar begins in the spring time, and that the biblical equinox begins exactly one day before the 1st Day of the 1st Month of Abib:

Year 1
1st Month of Abib
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Spring Equinox)

What I have marked as the spring equinox is what Enoch tells us in chapter 72, namely that the day is 9 Parts and the night is 9 Parts on the 31st Day of the 12th Month: in other words this is the time of the vernal equinox...

Year 1
12th Month of Abib
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01 02 03 04005 06 07
08 09 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30[01]___________ (Spring Equinox)

Did Yahshua Rise on the 7th Day Shabbat...

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