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Nope. It was tyranny to force it.
Then I think your view of tyranny is out of proportion with my understanding of the word. If such small inconveniences are tyranny to you it is likely good you have never been asked to make a real sacrifice for the greater good.
 
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Then I think your view of tyranny is out of proportion with my understanding of the word. If such small inconveniences are tyranny to you it is likely good you have never been asked to make a real sacrifice for the greater good.
That’s the thing about tyranny. It doesn’t ask.
 
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I was following Fauci who said they were ineffective. Then I verified what he said with other experts who said they were ineffective.

We know that masks are effective (MAYO CLINIC, PNAS, WebMD). The earlier responses by some health officials early on that may have not been as sure were in the very earliest days of the pandemic.

The most dangerous thing we can do now is act as if the information is not out there. We don't want people to think that wearing a mask isn't considered effective by healthcare experts.

People can be badly hurt by bad information.
 
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That’s the thing about tyranny. It doesn’t ask.

You do realize that Americans were forced by law to give up things during WWII, right? Was it tyrranny when Americans gave up gas and meat and food (enforced by law) during that time? It was a sacrifice but we did it for the greater good.

Wearing a mask is easily the simplest, least difficult way to help other people.

One shouldn't have to be forced to do the right thing. One should WANT to do the right thing. Wanting to NOT do the right thing because of "rights" is little more than selfishness.
 
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We know that masks are effective (MAYO CLINIC, PNAS, WebMD). The earlier responses by some health officials early on that may have not been as sure were in the very earliest days of the pandemic.

The most dangerous thing we can do now is act as if the information is not out there. We don't want people to think that wearing a mask isn't considered effective by healthcare experts.

People can be badly hurt by bad information.
Yeah, like wearing masks. Bad juju.
 
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You do realize that Americans were forced by law to give up things during WWII, right? Was it tyrranny when Americans gave up gas and meat and food (enforced by law) during that time? It was a sacrifice but we did it for the greater good.

Wearing a mask is easily the simplest, least difficult way to help other people.

One shouldn't have to be forced to do the right thing. One should WANT to do the right thing. Wanting to NOT do the right thing because of "rights" is little more than selfishness.
It was tyranny if it was forced. You can say they made you or you can say it was voluntary. It can’t be both.
 
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Then I think your view of tyranny is out of proportion with my understanding of the word. If such small inconveniences are tyranny to you it is likely good you have never been asked to make a real sacrifice for the greater good.

Not all people are able to sacrifice. On CF we see Christians and Christians know what sacrifice is. They enjoy the benefits of Christ paying the ULTIMATE PRICE for their salvation even though we don't deserve it.

But some people don't understand this concept of sacrifice for others. Some people mock sacrifice.
 
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Can you show me the data that supports that claim?

I have shown you what healthcare experts say. What is your source of information?
All of the experts?
 
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All of the experts (in fact to my knowledge almost none of them) say masks are not effective.
Yeah, that's just not true.

There are plenty of "experts" that have questioned the efficacy of masks. Dr. Marty Makary, Dr. Vinay Prasad, Dr. Martin Kuldorff, Dr. Jay Bhattachara, Dr. Sunetra Gupta, Dr. Michael Osterholm... and those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
 
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I suggest you look at what the MEDICAL experts (the people who study this) say.

I suggest you read the paper before you dismiss it out of hand. It was written by MEDICAL doctors, "experts" if you will.
 
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