Noam Chomsky calls for unvaccinated To Be Isolated And Deprived Of Food

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OK but it is sort of shows you how out in left field this guy can be. From what I can tell he had to really walk back some past statements.



Listening to just half of this clip and reading the notes talking about what he said concerning the newspaper coverage, I can completely see why some folks would say or think "He supported the Khmer Rouge". It would almost be like if the Genocide of the Holocaust came to light earlier in World War II and someone nit picked the coverage and spoke about how things were being exaggerated.


(time passes, I listen to the rest of the clip) Yes I actually completely agree with the idea that he supported Pol Pot. When you listen to his tone of voice, and read the specific things he was saying concerning the press coverage in 1977 etc. the real crime in his mind seems to be that the press savaged Pol Pot rather than what Pol Pot did. By the way if you are dealing with inaccurate reporting on an issue like this the notion that this might be due to problems of getting information in a Totalitarian country should also be a major consideration.


It's kind of funny the notion of "Manufacturing Consent", you have examples that liberals cite to build the cause to go to war etc. yet you got that other inverse case of going to easy on a dictator because you like his social programs.
I’m a bit wider in my attitude toward manufacturing consent. I see it all kind of places.
 
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Why not just load them up on trains and take them to concentration camps.

Chomsky is the left wing version of a Holocaust denier of which such an ilk should be called “gulag deniers”. This angry, fossil demagogue has damaged many minds especially in the current generation of impressionable zealots. An example of his gulag denial in the situation of Cambodia in the 1970s:


Cambodian genocide denial - Wikipedia


I wonder if he ever told that to Dith Pran:

Dith Pran - Wikipedia


The 1985 movie: The Killing Fields portrayed the Khmer Rouge tragedy in Cambodia:

The Killing Fields (film) - Wikipedia
 
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All those comments urging the dehumanization of the unvaxxed are rich.

No one has ever dared saying that people who stuffed their face with sweets for decades and acquired diabetes type 2 should be denied healthcare or isolated and deprived of food.

No one has ever dared saying that people who drank too much, smoked too much, took too much drugs and ruined their livers and kidneys should be isolsated and deprived of medical services or foods.

No one has ever dared saying that people who ate bad diets and developped clogged arteries and coronary diseases should be discriminated against and isolated and deprived of food.

We have NEVER dehumanized our fellow human beings for the lifestyle decisions they made regarding their health. But when if comes to Covid, anything goes. Any vile, fascist suggestion or plan on how to treat the unvaxxed gets the ears of the sheeple. I am seeing a side of humanity I never thought I'd see, and it's not pretty.
 
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I just started watching this Tim Pool video and thought it was worth doing a thread on. From what I can tell it is just a little blurb, or some excerpt of some interview.

It's noteworthy in that this guy really is looked up as a kind of sage, wise man for the Bernie Sanders wing of the Democratic party to people who are even further on the left. Besides that certain conservatives who might be against most of his politics are influenced by some of his ideas when it comes to certain ideas like how the media "manufactures consent" for war to keep the military industrial complex in business etc. But anyway it's kind of interesting thing to keep track of either an outlier or maybe the start of the next big political trend or movement.




Watch: Noam Chomsky calls for unvaccinated to be ‘isolated’ from society


PS - Listening a few minutes into the broadcast I can give the gist of Chomsky's position. He is not in favor of intentionally starving the unvaccinated, but sees that it as "not the government's problem" when it comes to feeding them. They would be responsible for their own food kind of like how things were in ancient Rome with most prisoners (their family and friends were responsible to bring them food most of the time), and some third world countries have similar things. But again, I find this very ironic compared to how we treat illegal aliens, if implemented this would be another instance where people who are not citizens and tax payers are treated better than those who are.

I heard about this (((Chomsky))) fellow. Nice guy, ain't he?
 
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Notice that long before Obamacare, the fact has been that any person in the US by law can be treated regardless of any other fact such as wealth or insurance or even citizenship. Obviously, it does make a difference as to how good their treatment is, but Obamacare, in the attempt to level the playing field, does so by bringing down those who can afford the better treatment to the level of those who can't, instead of by raising the level of care of those who can't afford it.

Wait, you're saying Obamacare abolished private pay physicians? (Barbarian checks) No, that's not true at all. And yes, Obamacare does raise the level of care for those who can't afford it. That's what it does. What really, really outrages conservatives about Obamacare is the abolishment of "pre-existing" clauses. That used to lock people into jobs because if they changed companies for a better job, and they or a family member had a pre-existing condition, it wouldn't be covered. Employers loved that. And they hate that Obamacare ended that benefit for them. But it didn't abolish private pay at all.

The narrative we are fed is a lie.

Yes, you were lied to about it. But the truth is out there. Go and see.
 
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All those comments urging the dehumanization of the unvaxxed are rich.

No one has ever dared saying that people who stuffed their face with sweets for decades and acquired diabetes type 2 should be denied healthcare or isolated and deprived of food.

No one has ever dared saying that people who drank too much, smoked too much, took too much drugs and ruined their livers and kidneys should be isolsated and deprived of medical services or foods.

No one has ever dared saying that people who ate bad diets and developped clogged arteries and coronary diseases should be discriminated against and isolated and deprived of food.

I've read all sorts of proposals like that. Most often from conservatives, BTW.

Notice that even doctors and nurses in ICUs still express compassion and sorrow for the people who are dying there because they were stupid enough to believe the anti-vaxxers. And if anyone should be angry at them, it would be those people who put themselves at risk of infection and exhaustion burnout because of those bad decisions.
 
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Chomsky is the left wing version of a Holocaust denier of which such an ilk should be called “gulag deniers”.

I differ with Chomsky on political and scientific issues. But your claim is quite wrong. Chomsky was a fierce critic of Leninism which he called "state capitalism."

As a devout socialist, that is the worst pejorative he could have used.
 
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I differ with Chomsky on political and scientific issues. But your claim is quite wrong. Chomsky was a fierce critic of Leninism which he called "state capitalism."

As a devout socialist, that is the worst pejorative he could have used.

He apologizes for murderers.
 
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I differ with Chomsky on political and scientific issues. But your claim is quite wrong. Chomsky was a fierce critic of Leninism which he called "state capitalism."

As a devout socialist, that is the worst pejorative he could have used.

He apologizes for murderers.

I know he condemned the Soviet state for murders. Which murders do you mean?
 
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I differ with Chomsky on political and scientific issues. But your claim is quite wrong. Chomsky was a fierce critic of Leninism which he called "state capitalism."

As a devout socialist, that is the worst pejorative he could have used.



I know he condemned the Soviet state for murders. Which murders do you mean?

The Khmer Rouge & others that are mentioned in the article I have linked in post 68. He also said the problem of the unvaccinated getting food for themselves is on them (linked in post 68).

I am vaccinated & boostered too.
 
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He also said the problem of the unvaccinated getting food for themselves is on them

Sounds like a conservative, doesn't he? Only he hates the unvaccinated, rather than the poor.
 
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Sounds like a conservative, doesn't he? Only he hates the unvaccinated, rather than the poor.

I remember during the 1980s that Emperor Hailie Salassie of Ethiopia was overthrown by Marxist rebels. Their disastrous agricultural policies on top of a famine caused hundreds of thousands of deaths ( just like Cambodia, China during the cultural revolution, the 1930s holodomor famine: Holodomor - Wikipedia etc.etc.). It was international charity that helped to reduce it from being worse: 1983–1985 famine in Ethiopia - Wikipedia
Despite all these wretched examples of left wing politics, statements like conservatives hating the poor ( there are conservative poor people btw) are always accepted as some sort of truth.

Part of the response to the Ethiopian crisis was the live aid concerts which were from largely liberal oriented types. The periodical: The Nation, of which Chomsky has written in, derided the live aid effort as compromising for charity rather than change. It seems “change” produces starvation but somehow conservatives hate the poor somehow.
 
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remember during the 1980s that Emperor Hailie Salassie of Ethiopia was overthrown by Marxist rebels. Their disastrous agricultural policies on top of a famine caused hundreds of thousands of deaths ( just like Cambodia, China during the cultural revolution, the 1930s holodomor famine: Holodomor - Wikipedia etc.etc.). It was international charity that helped to reduce it from being worse: 1983–1985 famine in Ethiopia - Wikipedia
Despite all these wretched examples of left wing politics, statements like conservatives hating the poor ( there are conservative poor people btw) are always accepted as some sort of truth.

No rational person would argue that Soviet Marxism is not another version of a self-righteous elite crushing the poor. And if you're aware of it, so is the "capitalist" Russian Federation today. Chomsky is wrong about a lot of stuff but his assertion that Leninist governments are as bad for workers as the worst robber barons is right on.

He used forced labor camps, worked people to death, executed people etc.

So did Hitler. So now Fascism is communism? But we haven't addressed Chomsky's alignment with the wealthy of this country, with regard to people he doesn't like. Granted, the poor don't pose the kind of threat to America that the unvaccinated do. But the hatred is obvious.
 
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Wait, you're saying Obamacare abolished private pay physicians? (Barbarian checks) No, that's not true at all. And yes, Obamacare does raise the level of care for those who can't afford it. That's what it does. What really, really outrages conservatives about Obamacare is the abolishment of "pre-existing" clauses. That used to lock people into jobs because if they changed companies for a better job, and they or a family member had a pre-existing condition, it wouldn't be covered. Employers loved that. And they hate that Obamacare ended that benefit for them. But it didn't abolish private pay at all.
No, I'm not saying it abolished private pay (although they would have loved for it to —with Congressmen the exception, as always...).

Liberalism likes single payer (necessarily meaning, government), but Washington likes lawyers and accountants, and hates simplicity.
 
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Lukaris said:
He used forced labor camps, worked people to death, executed people etc.
So did Hitler.


So now Fascism is communism? But we haven't addressed Chomsky's alignment with the wealthy of this country, with regard to people he doesn't like. Granted, the poor don't pose the kind of threat to America that the unvaccinated do. But the hatred is obvious


I was saying a concentration camp at the level of suffering to the incarcerated is the same as the gulag not the political apparatus that builds it. I am a little confused about your reference to the “obvious” hatred. Are you saying because a person is conservative that hatred of the poor is “obvious”? As I said there are poor conservatives.
 
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