For all nations are decieved by their sorceries.

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Revelation 18 - 23 For thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
If you have been Jabbed then you will probably say that sorceries means witchcraft , but if you are unjabbed then you will probably say that it means pharmakeia meaning pharmaceuticals. (the jab)

So how do we do this , how do we find the truth on this subject when people only want to speak from their own perspective.
 

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The nations have been deceived long before the widespread use of drugs. It's the 'mystery of iniquity' at work that causes men to 'break out' (break all restraint) that is the problem.

Hos 4:2

By swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, they break out, and blood toucheth blood.
 
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The word "sorceries" is mentioned five times in the Bible (plus one singular). Two times in Revelation. When trying to determine what the word is pointing to, I would use Strong's concordance and context found in scripture.

Strong's G5331 sorceries (pharmakeia):
  1. the use or the administering of drugs
  2. poisoning
  3. sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
  4. metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
In all of the verses that mention sorcery, the words enchantment and idolatry are used as descriptive words (in bold below).

Isaiah 47:9
But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.

Isaiah 47:12
Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.

Acts 8:11
And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.

Revelation 9:21
Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Revelation 18:23
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Acts 8:9
But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one.​

Does the use of the word "sorceries" point directly to the vaccines? I don't think it does, considering the context of the above verses. One must decide what is meant by deception, and whether it includes the vaccines or not. Everything must be weighed prayerfully, through the lens of scripture, with the help of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Revelation 18 - 23 For thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
If you have been Jabbed then you will probably say that sorceries means witchcraft , but if you are unjabbed then you will probably say that it means pharmakeia meaning pharmaceuticals. (the jab)

So how do we do this , how do we find the truth on this subject when people only want to speak from their own perspective.
The Bible says
Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Too many times I have heard people who name Jesus Christ as their Lord say things like "We are not under law. We are under grace." I was many years into my walk with Jesus before I realized that this was lack of knowledge. Whereas, yes we are in the age of grace whereby our sins are forgiven by the faith in Jesus' shed blood, by the Holy Spirit's leading, we should seek to do what our Heavenly Father wants us to do according to His way.

Now about drugs and vaccines: There is no instruction from our Father to not use them, we can see His disdain for them by the scriptures posted by @Freth
Isaiah 47:9
But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.

Isaiah 47:12
Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.

Acts 8:11
And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.

Revelation 9:21
Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Revelation 18:23
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Sooo...the deception is true because our Father said it, and it is impossible for Him to tell a lie. But what about sickness? Don't we need drugs for our illnesses? That my friend IS the deception that has been perpetrated on humanity for millennia. God gave humanity every seed bearing plant for food. But man has become so "smart"(not:rolleyes:) that He has corrupted God's way and divised his own "sorceries" and deceived his fellow man to indulge in the corruption. Mankind has even gone so far as to take the seeds out of seed bearing plants.And we tend to discard the seeds when we do find them in organically grown plants.

Think about it. Man lived hundreds of years before the flood and afterwards. Yet people today think those people were ignorant because they did not have what we have today. Look at the longevity of Terah, Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. Of course they lived before the Law was given. Now God allows us to do things, but because we can do a thing we should be able to discern,by the Holy Spirit, whether we should do it. But mankind does not follow after the Holy Spirit in these days, but leans to his own understanding.

I have thought about this for a long time. :)
 
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Revelation 18 - 23 For thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
If you have been Jabbed then you will probably say that sorceries means witchcraft , but if you are unjabbed then you will probably say that it means pharmakeia meaning pharmaceuticals. (the jab)

So how do we do this , how do we find the truth on this subject when people only want to speak from their own perspective.
Sorcery, means a supernatural state of affairs, so both are true. Pharmakeia is a drug induced supernatural affair and witchcraft is a word or ritually induced supernatural affair.
 
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Revelation 18 - 23 For thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
If you have been Jabbed then you will probably say that sorceries means witchcraft , but if you are unjabbed then you will probably say that it means pharmakeia meaning pharmaceuticals. (the jab)

So how do we do this , how do we find the truth on this subject when people only want to speak from their own perspective.

Pretty simple. Pharmakeia is not inherently bad, physicians prescribe medicines and that's a good thing, and this is spoken of positively both in the Bible as well as the historic understanding of the Church. For example St. Ignatius of Antioch, who was chosen to succeed Peter and Paul's pastoral ministry in Antioch after the death of the first successor, Evodius, and who is said to have learned directly from the Apostle John, calls the Lord's Supper the "medicine of immortality", φαρμακον αθανασιας (pharmakon athanasias).

In the Deuterocanonical book of Sirach--which is accepted by most Christians as Scripture, though it is absent from most Protestant Bibles today--there is a clear statement about the importance of the physician, and that the wise person does not hesitate to heed the good physician's advice and take medicine--because God provided medicines from the earth.

The anti-medical movements that show up now and again among some fringe groups of Christians have never been acceptable from a biblical and historically Christian perspective.

Here is what pharmakeia means in the negative sense: poison-making, or potion-making. That is, those who mix potions or poisons for pagan purposes--such as pagan rituals. An example of pharmakeia would be drinking a concoction to be more in tune with the gods, or to experience a trip or vision that is then perceived as an encounter with the divine.

The nations are deceived by "sorceries" because most of the world followed after false gods, idols, worshiped spirits, or regarded aspects of nature to be gods, and they had rituals, and used drugs, and engaged in various practices of divination like astrology, reading bones, or looking at animal entrails. All of these things are part of the large mileiua of spiritual delusion that holds men in bondage; because none of these things are of any spiritual benefit to anyone. There are no spirits, or gods, or ancestors, or aspects of nature that control our lives, or that we need to appease through ritualized cults of sacrifice, or intoxicating ceremonies.

The antidote to spiritual delusion is the truth of the Gospel. The Gospel sweeps away all of our various idolatry, and brings in the nations together under the Lordship of Jesus Christ, as the Church, of which there is both Jew and Gentile without distinction.

The bondage of sin and death is also the bondage of idolatry, all of our false views of God, all of our false ways of trying to worship God, all of our false gods.

Making this about the COVID vaccine isn't about whether or not one has been vaxxed or not. Insisting that the COVID vaccine is somehow some kind of spiritual bad thing is hocus pocus.

Want to find the real deluded people falling for "sorcery", look at the nut cases trying to convince people to take horse dewormer, or those who tried to sell people bleach as a medical cure.

God is honored in truth, not in lies. And the anti-vax movement has nothing on its side but lies.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Revelation 18 - 23 For thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
If you have been Jabbed then you will probably say that sorceries means witchcraft , but if you are unjabbed then you will probably say that it means pharmakeia meaning pharmaceuticals. (the jab)

So how do we do this , how do we find the truth on this subject when people only want to speak from their own perspective.
You are right. It's narrow gate.
 
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