I am not trying to counter your argument with an SDA one.
Indeed. But you do need to spell out your view of the holy place and MHP ministry in the earthly.
All i am saying is that Daniel 8 says 2300 days and the sanctuary will be cleansed. Its clear to me this is an end time prophecy...it talks about end times.
There is little point in me typing it out again. I explain it and you don't read it.
The Scapegoat happened when the high priest left the sanctuary. That IS end time.
Do you get that? Do you agree? Do you disagree?
Jesus has not yet left the sanctuary in heaven, so my expectation is that will happen at the end of time.
Now, if you won't spell out what you think the holy place and mhp ministry were in the earthly, how can we possibly discuss the fulfillment which you keep asking about.
The reference you gave above does not explain your point at all...it has nothing to do with the timeline issue. All you are explaining over and over again is that Jesus died once for all sin (that is plainly obvious, everyone already knows this)
No, not just died. He is describing priestly activity. It is not just the death. It is the ministration of blood. The priest didn't even kill the sin offering for a rank and file person. The priest ministered the blood once it was killed.
And not just died once for all sin. Hebrews 9 specifically says He fulfilled definite things. For instance, it says He is the mediator of a new covenant. That was a service in the OT. It refers to the inauguration as completed, and that was a service in the OT. It refers to the red heifer, and that was brought about by a process.
And it does refer to the cleansing of the heavenly things. If you are looking for a fulfillment you might try the only NT passage that specifically addresses the cleansing of the heavenly things, quoted earlier. It did not describe just the death.
It described the entry, with blood, compared to that of the earthly high priest on the day of atonement. Did you read it?
I want to have you explain the timeline variance between the Passover and the day of Atonement 6 months later!
I would like you to read what Hebrews actually says.
Do you not have an answer for this that is capable of being supported by anything more than "everything was fulfilled at the Passover"?
Showing you the text that describes the cleansing of the heavenly places, with blood, and parallel to the entry of the high priest yearly, with blood, is in fact talking about the Day of Atonement.
Your talking about the passover is you talking about the passover. It is not just the death. That is why it is necessary for you to state what you think the HP and MHP ministry is.
Post your scripture from the earthly type.
There is a huge issue with your answer...the Jewish nation practised/rehearsed for over 1 thousand years the yearly festivals and sanctuary services. A rehearsal is not some ambiguous event that has no meaning beyond itself...it means something, the timing of each event means something very specific.
There is a big problem with your answer. You are looking at the description of the heavenly, the true, and trying to argue from the type. If you are going to ignore what Hebrews says, you won't find the NT fulfillment.
And if you don't know what the earthly type entailed, you won't know the fulfillment either.
You cannot argue blankly, it all stopped at the cross!
I never said it did end at the cross. Quite the opposite. The High Priestly ministry was to minister the blood that was already shed. Jesus performed the blood rites. He died as the sacrifice on earth, but He also went to heaven and ministered that blood. He made purification for sins.
Heb 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
That is not just the sacrifice. It involved sacrifice, AND blood ministration.
My immediate counter-argument and proof is that the pouring out of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost happened exactly 50 days after the cross...right on time as the Jews had rehearsed for over 1000 years. Jesus was born exactly on time as per the prophecy of Daniel, the start of his earthly ministry was exactly as prophesied, His death exactly as predicted to the day...Therefore, the Day of Atonement must also follow the rehearsed timeline in some form.
Already spelled out in regards to the scapegoat AFTER the high priest left the temple. But you need to spell out what actually happened in the DOA on earth with the high priest in the temple.
If it does not, then one must have a biblical timleline explaination as to why, and when, it should take place (such as the 2300 day prophecy in Daniel 8)
We will address Daniel 8. But again, I am waiting for your view of what happened in the hp and mhp in the earthly.
I would like you to explain to me from your perspective (or that of Icedragons if need be), what another view of this timeline would look like!
You can use whatever biblical imagery you like...just give me the exact timeline of the festivals of the Old Testament and how they relate to the new and better covenant but remain in harmony with the original plan of salvation that was set in motion after the fall.
Did you read the earlier post where I explained the Spring feasts? You have many questions, but you rarely state whether you read what was typed, or whether you agree or not. Therefore I have no idea what you have processed or what you have not. It was some ways back now.
Gods plan of salvation did not change...it has never changed, the plan has always remained the same. Therefore the feasts that the Jews rehearsed for so long had meaning right to the end of time (the old Testament Sanctuary service timings are critically important...but after the cross what should these very specific time and date rehearsals look like).
As I have said, the only reference i can see to the specific timing of the end regarding these is in Daniel 8! I want someone to explain, if the Adventist timeline of 1844 is wrong, what does the other opposing view timeline look like! (everything that ended at the cross is unworkable...that fails the test so its useless, it points us to the Millerite fiasco all over again does it not?)
I am waiting for your explanation, with Scripture, of the earthly hp and mhp ministry, with scripture. I suspect we do not have the same view, so trying to point out fulfillments requires further clarification.