Walmart To Employees, "White is not Right"

bekkilyn · Oct 18, 2021

SilverBear said:
The foundational writings on CRT certainly do address racism.

the second part of your sentence is just confusing. How does diversity create segregation?

This article (from a person of color) seems to explain a lot of my concerns. I also had "diversity" in quotes because CRT seems to be a big diversity thing (as long as "white" isn't also included as part of that label) and yet seems to instead promote more division and racial segregation.

Eight Problems With Critical Race Theory

SoldierOfTheKing · Oct 18, 2021

In 2017 we saw liberals become passionate defenders of the CIA. Now they are passionate defenders of Walmart. What side is your bread buttered on?

Estrid · Oct 18, 2021

bekkilyn said:
Well I'm confused because if I wasn't talking about you specifically in any way, then I have no possible way of answering a question that was entirely specific to you, so before I could even begin to answer your question, I would need to know whether or not you were including yourself in the some.

Ok i see your angle.
Try "how could not believing in
any god be an ideology?"

Estrid · Oct 18, 2021

MehGuy said:
I don't know? Because they're so cute? Lol.

Waaaaah! Racist, sexist, cuteist, uh,
wait....

bekkilyn · Oct 18, 2021

Estrid said:
Ok i see your angle.
Try "how could not believing in
any god be an ideology?"

Apparently because some atheists have made it into more than just a simple belief and have "evangelized" it just as rabidly as some Christians or other religious folk. It's not enough to just simply not believe in any god, but it's what everyone ought not to do and by golly, we're going to do everything in our power to "convert" those people to our way of thinking. All religion is EVIL and must be destroyed for the good of all society! This particular type of atheist doesn't seem to be any more desirous of discovering truth than any other sort of fundamentalist, religious or otherwise. It's probably more an ideology of fundamentalism in general, which isn't limited to only to theists.

Estrid · Oct 19, 2021

bekkilyn said:
Apparently because some atheists have made it into more than just a simple belief and have "evangelized" it just as rabidly as some Christians or other religious folk. It's not enough to just simply not believe in any god, but it's what everyone ought not to do and by golly, we're going to do everything in our power to "convert" those people to our way of thinking. All religion is EVIL and must be destroyed for the good of all society! This particular type of atheist doesn't seem to be any more desirous of discovering truth than any other sort of fundamentalist, religious or otherwise. It's probably more an ideology of fundamentalism in general, which isn't limited to only to theists.

Ok i see your idea though that is antitheism, for which
there is a different word, because its a different thing.

essentialsaltes · Oct 19, 2021

SoldierOfTheKing said:
In 2017 we saw liberals become passionate defenders of the CIA. Now they are passionate defenders of Walmart. What side is your bread buttered on?

Defending people against slander is virtuous. I don't even like Walmart, but I'm not going to lie about them.

SilverBear · Oct 19, 2021

bekkilyn said:
This article (from a person of color) seems to explain a lot of my concerns. I also had "diversity" in quotes because CRT seems to be a big diversity thing (as long as "white" isn't also included as part of that label) and yet seems to instead promote more division and racial segregation.

Eight Problems With Critical Race Theory

CRT calls on both society and individuals to examine the implicit racial bias that is part of every day culture in the United States. You might want to actually do this for yourself In your post you not only made a point of identifying the skin color of the author of your link (as if it was somehow important) you also managed to inaccurately cast yourself and white people in general as victims of exclusion.

SilverBear · Oct 19, 2021

SoldierOfTheKing said:
In 2017 we saw liberals become passionate defenders of the CIA. Now they are passionate defenders of Walmart. What side is your bread buttered on?

pointing out that the claims of the OP link are without foundation isn't defending Wal-mart.

Ceallaigh · Oct 19, 2021

Valletta said:
CRT is racism, it is a Marxist spinoff of critical theory, the goal is to create class/race conflict.

Sure seems that way.

Ceallaigh · Oct 19, 2021

SilverBear said:
its not what CRT is about nor is it the goal. Maybe you should actually look at CRT.

What do you think about Morgan Freeman's solution?:

bekkilyn · Oct 19, 2021

SilverBear said:
CRT calls on both society and individuals to examine the implicit racial bias that is part of every day culture in the United States. You might want to actually do this for yourself In your post you not only made a point of identifying the skin color of the author of your link (as if it was somehow important) you also managed to inaccurately cast yourself and white people in general as victims of exclusion.

I identified the skin color because had I not identified it, you or someone else would have immediately responded with, "Ah hah! Yet another privileged person writing a racist article!" Or heaven forbid I posted an article written by a white male

I've also noticed that you haven't actually addressed any of the CONTENT of the article. You just took the opportunity to attack me concerning my supposed lack of racial examination.

As for the second part of your accusation, allow me to present this article that includes the viral video in which two white students are specifically told that "multiculturalism" does not include them.

White students ‘kicked out’ of diversity space

Here's the thing. I was taught to parrot all the CRT stuff due to my considering myself a political progressive and I've even posted here on this site arguing against others about how only white people can be racist and everyone else can only be prejudiced, etc.

But now after hearing over and over from numerous black people and other people of color about how CRT is nonsense and teaches their kids to be racist and teaches their kids to be perpetual victims and that after all the work done concerning getting rid of segregation that there is now RE-segregation being pushed, etc. and that they are ANGRY about it once they found out what was going on and being taught to their kids, I actually AM going through a lot of examination of many things that I believed automatically and questioning and deconstructing it. I'm actually pretty angry about it myself now that I know more about it because it seems we are tearing down everything the civil rights movement and Martin Luther King Jr. did and tearing down the rest of America in general.

So do you have anything valuable to contribute in response to what I posted or are you simply satisfied with picking out what you deem to be ammunition and firing off attacks?

rambot · Oct 19, 2021

bekkilyn said:
I identified the skin color because had I not identified it, you or someone else would have immediately responded with, "Ah hah! Yet another privileged person writing a racist article!" Or heaven forbid I posted an article written by a white male

I've also noticed that you haven't actually addressed any of the CONTENT of the article. You just took the opportunity to attack me concerning my supposed lack of racial examination.

As for the second part of your accusation, allow me to present this article that includes the viral video in which two white students are specifically told that "multiculturalism" does not include them.

White students ‘kicked out’ of diversity space

Here's the thing. I was taught to parrot all the CRT stuff due to my considering myself a political progressive and I've even posted here on this site arguing against others about how only white people can be racist and everyone else can only be prejudiced, etc.

But now after hearing over and over from numerous black people and other people of color about how CRT is nonsense and teaches their kids to be racist and teaches their kids to be perpetual victims and that after all the work done concerning getting rid of segregation that there is now RE-segregation being pushed, etc. and that they are ANGRY about it once they found out what was going on and being taught to their kids, I actually AM going through a lot of examination of many things that I believed automatically and questioning and deconstructing it. I'm actually pretty angry about it myself now that I know more about it because it seems we are tearing down everything the civil rights movement and Martin Luther King Jr. did and tearing down the rest of America in general.

So do you have anything valuable to contribute in response to what I posted or are you simply satisfied with picking out what you deem to be ammunition and firing off attacks?

I think this was mishandled. It should have included them but not their attitude.

The chances of them going to that space for the purposes of enjoying it as a cultural space feels like about 0. Am I to believe that there are NEVER any white students in that space, or is this really more that the students (right or wrong) had a reaction to their "inflamatory" atttitudes. Actually as I read through that shambles of a conversation clearly there ARE other white people there. So they are NOT getting kicked out because they are white.

I think it's a shame that people fall for these obvious baiting attempts, but they will.

bekkilyn · Oct 19, 2021

MMXX said:
What do you think about Morgan Freeman's solution?:

Morgan Freeman would be called a racist today, among other things that aren't suitable to be posted here. We're not supposed to be Americans anymore. We're supposed to keep black with black, white with white, etc., and everyone have their own separate (but equal?) spaces. I was taught as a child that racial segregation was wrong and I believed that and I still believe that, but now it seems we're being pushed to believe otherwise. I wonder what or who is truly pushing all of these divisions?

bekkilyn · Oct 19, 2021

rambot said:
I think this was mishandled. It should have included them but not their attitude.

The chances of them going to that space for the purposes of enjoying it as a cultural space feels like about 0. Am I to believe that there are NEVER any white students in that space, or is this really more that the students (right or wrong) had a reaction to their "inflamatory" atttitudes. Actually as I read through that shambles of a conversation clearly there ARE other white people there. So they are NOT getting kicked out because they are white.

I think it's a shame that people fall for these obvious baiting attempts, but they will.

What attitude? The "police lives matter" sticker on the laptop? (And do police lives not also matter? A great many of police officers are black, but according to these women, they went into the job specifically to murder people like them.)

The white dudes who said they went there to study (not enjoy a cultural space) were the ones who were approached and told to get out, that multiculturalism wasn't about everyone, etc. Had they never been approached, they likely would have just quietly left on their own, and that would be true whether or not they had actually been hoping to bait anyone or not. I did seem to learn a lot about what multiculturalism and diversity is and isn't though since the woman (who originally posted the video) wasn't just a regular student but also an activist speaker which I suppose makes her more of an "expert" in such matters.

rambot · Oct 19, 2021

bekkilyn said:
This article (from a person of color) seems to explain a lot of my concerns. I also had "diversity" in quotes because CRT seems to be a big diversity thing (as long as "white" isn't also included as part of that label) and yet seems to instead promote more division and racial segregation.

Eight Problems With Critical Race Theory

CRT is divisive

It's not divisive. It is highlighting divisiveness already present in culture. Some folks get up in arms over that and so they consider it divisive.

CRT deprioritizes personal racism

It doesn't discredit it. CRT is not the same as personal racism. I agree they should be seen as hand in hand.

CRT perpetuates racial stereotypes

To combat an ideology that exists almost solely because racial stereotypes exist, seems weird to suggest that CRT should not deal with racial stereotypes.

It's kinda funny because I'm right now doing a professional development on antiracism right now. It's being led by an older asian lady. The focus on "white" identity is simply not present in any meaningful way. She even started the discussion talking about her own biases. The differentiated between terminology because racism is about a power struggle but that certainly does NOT mean that ALL people can be discriminatory. The concept of power is what takes straight up discrimination to racism.

CRT is making it difficult to have meaningful conversations about race

I don't see it being ANY more difficult now than it always has been.
While I would agree with you (I think) in that I am not a big fan of changing defintions of words to suit a need, there is also something to be said about the argument that CRT puts forward.

If they would have NOT used the word "racism" or "racist" in that definition would the CONCEPT being described be problematic? To me it would. So for me the problem is with use of hte word racist and NOT with the concept that is being described.

CRT is Americentric

ABSOLUTELY it is. Absolutely.

CRT is subjective

...so it's based on the experiences and understandings of oppressed groups.

And that is a bad thing, I guess.

rambot · Oct 19, 2021

bekkilyn said:
What attitude? The "police lives matter" sticker on the laptop? (And do police lives not also matter? A great many of police officers are black, but according to these women, they went into the job specifically to murder people like them.)

So first off, I'm not going to justify their response, I'm not sure they handled that their best.

If someone walks in their with a swastika armband, I'd wager someone would say something because that armband sends a message; even without talking.
People who put those stickers do not do that out of an aesthetic.

The white dudes who said they went there to study (not enjoy a cultural space) were the ones who were approached and told to get out, that multiculturalism wasn't about everyone, etc. Had they never been approached, they likely would have just quietly left on their own, and that would be true whether or not they had actually been hoping to bait anyone or not. I did seem to learn a lot about what multiculturalism and diversity is and isn't though since the woman (who originally posted the video) wasn't just a regular student but also an activist speaker which I suppose makes her more of an "expert" in such matters.

As I mentioned, other white people were there. So there must have been something about just HTOSE white people.

What could it have been?

bekkilyn · Oct 19, 2021

rambot said:
It's not divisive. It is highlighting divisiveness already present in culture. Some folks get up in arms over that and so they consider it divisive.
It doesn't discredit it. CRT is not the same as personal racism. I agree they should be seen as hand in hand.
To combat an ideology that exists almost solely because racial stereotypes exist, seems weird to suggest that CRT should not deal with racial stereotypes.

It's kinda funny because I'm right now doing a professional development on antiracism right now. It's being led by an older asian lady. The focus on "white" identity is simply not present in any meaningful way. She even started the discussion talking about her own biases. The differentiated between terminology because racism is about a power struggle but that certainly does NOT mean that ALL people can be discriminatory. The concept of power is what takes straight up discrimination to racism.

I don't see it being ANY more difficult now than it always has been.
While I would agree with you (I think) in that I am not a big fan of changing defintions of words to suit a need, there is also something to be said about the argument that CRT puts forward.

If they would have NOT used the word "racism" or "racist" in that definition would the CONCEPT being described be problematic? To me it would. So for me the problem is with use of hte word racist and NOT with the concept that is being described.
ABSOLUTELY it is. Absolutely.

...so it's based on the experiences and understandings of oppressed groups.

And that is a bad thing, I guess.

I agree that there have still been divisions and racial stereotypes and that racism does exist, but what exactly is it that CRT is doing to bring us all together and solve those problems rather than just making them worse? It's one thing to inspire discussion, but it's another thing to lead people into even greater hatred and division based on skin color and seemingly attempting to categorize us all right back into those harmful racial stereotypes because it's inherent that white people are superior and black people are oppressed, for example.

bekkilyn · Oct 19, 2021

rambot said:
So first off, I'm not going to justify their response, I'm not sure they handled that their best.

If someone walks in their with a swastika armband, I'd wager someone would say something because that armband sends a message; even without talking.
People who put those stickers do not do that out of an aesthetic.

As I mentioned, other white people were there. So there must have been something about just HTOSE white people.

What could it have been?

I'd hardly categorize a police lives matter sticker at anywhere near the same level as a swastika, but yet that's another issue I'm having with this whole thing. It's one thing to address racial issues that occur within police departments because there are some, but it's a whole other thing to completely demonize ALL police officers and attempt to turn them into literal Nazis to justify eradicating them, white and black and anyone else alike.

As for any other white people that may have been there, they may have been Jewish, they may have been foreign students from some other country, they could have been women or men pretending to be women or "non-binary"...basically anything other than a white American male. It hasn't been brought up in any of the articles I've read or heard discussed on the incident.

Blade · Oct 19, 2021

White is not right.. wow. Things are changing and not for the good. This movie 2021 kids in high School the boy said to the teacher something like "what about her" she turns and says "I am not a her".

Its shocking to have history at our finger tips and yet seem so many are blind. Its written by the past how to take over a nation in black and white. Happening now and the shocking is how many can't see it yet embrace it. Marx.. sorry why did none of his ideas work out? Then how many millions died by those ideas? It will always help some yet not most. The must will have always suffered. God help us in JESUS name.. praying for America..stand in the Gap for America.

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