Walmart To Employees, "White is not Right"

RDKirk · Oct 17, 2021

RDKirk said: ↑
I only have to personally agree with what I personally assert.

Aldebaran said:
Too many people feel that way.

Why would anyone feel differently?

Do you feel an obligation to agree with something you would not assert?

RDKirk · Oct 17, 2021

DamianWarS said:
Walmart is a centralized system where there are no separate owners of each store but instead Walmart is the onwer. employees are paid low and since there is no onwer collecting profits or high paid management the money gets sent back to Walmart to make Walmart bigger and better without added benefit to the employees or the communities they are based in. Walmart in a vacuum can be looked at as a model of communism.

This is in contrast to a locally owned store where they work hard, build a brand and get the money returned to them which can be used to hire more people or pay people better and increase their livelihood and better the communities they live in.

Wait. Are you trying to argue that a corporation that is capitalized by stocks totally owned by private stockholders is communist rather than capitalist?

Seriously?

Ana the Ist · Oct 17, 2021

Estrid said:
Cultural Marxism is not a conspiracy theory,
and you know coz you read Marx?
Droll.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2003/cultural-marxism-catching

I don't agree with the SPLC's take on the concept.

Ana the Ist · Oct 17, 2021

Estrid said:
Rats. Keep this up and, how can we argue?

Lol you seem to like communism. I can attack the idea while spouting condescending cliches like "it's a dog eat dog world kiddo!"

Ana the Ist · Oct 17, 2021

Estrid said:
I'm also wanting to hear about some of these systemic disadvantages.

And ftm, what is meant by a system.

The culture of the Indian reservation or the black ghetto
certainly operates to the disadvantage of the inhabitants,
but I don't think that's what is meant.

I've tried pretty hard to figure out what systemic racism is....and I've asked the very people on this forum who believe in systemic racism to explain it. That conversation is basically like talking to a NPC. They literally repeat the same things.

Luckily I know ways around the scripted dialogue that allow hilarity to ensue. No, you won't ever get a coherent explanation for what systemic racism is....but that's because it's not a real thing.

1. Don't ask for examples. They'll always go to examples of racial discrimination that have long since been outlawed. Their favorite is redlining...because they believe that all disparities between black and white home ownership are caused by redlining in the past. If you want some fun, just ask them how much of that disparity can be attributed to redlining and how much is caused by the 2008 housing market crash?

They've either never considered it....or they'll make up some wild statistics like 90% redlining....10% housing crash. They obviously don't know and don't want even consider other factors.

Whatever you do....you absolutely should not.....

2. Point out that redlining is illegal. This will definitely cause them to respond that "just because a practice is outlawed doesn't mean people don't break the law". It's a necessary part of the NPC scripted dialogue. I start feeling bad for them when this happens because it's clear they read this somewhere and thought it was a good point....despite it applying to literally every criminal law. That doesn't matter because, apparently, our inability to prevent all racial discrimination (by all I mean all racial discrimination except when it's against whites) has led them to think that black people deserve something. Something in this case tends to mean jobs, opportunities, or straight up wealth.

Imagine if a woman said she deserved to be rich because the law against rape doesn't magically prevent all rape. Pretty crazy, right?

I could go on....but I don't feel like filling out the next 10 pages. I wish you luck exploring systemic racism on this thread and I strongly suggest you follow my two points.

Estrid · Oct 17, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
I've tried pretty hard to figure out what systemic racism is....and I've asked the very people on this forum who believe in systemic racism to explain it. That conversation is basically like talking to a NPC. They literally repeat the same things.

Luckily I know ways around the scripted dialogue that allow hilarity to ensue. No, you won't ever get a coherent explanation for what systemic racism is....but that's because it's not a real thing.

1. Don't ask for examples. They'll always go to examples of racial discrimination that have long since been outlawed. Their favorite is redlining...because they believe that all disparities between black and white home ownership are caused by redlining in the past. If you want some fun, just ask them how much of that disparity can be attributed to redlining and how much is caused by the 2008 housing market crash?

They've either never considered it....or they'll make up some wild statistics like 90% redlining....10% housing crash. They obviously don't know and don't want even consider other factors.

Whatever you do....you absolutely should not.....

2. Point out that redlining is illegal. This will definitely cause them to respond that "just because a practice is outlawed doesn't mean people don't break the law". It's a necessary part of the NPC scripted dialogue. I start feeling bad for them when this happens because it's clear they read this somewhere and thought it was a good point....despite it applying to literally every criminal law. That doesn't matter because, apparently, our inability to prevent all racial discrimination (by all I mean all racial discrimination except when it's against whites) has led them to think that black people deserve something. Something in this case tends to mean jobs, opportunities, or straight up wealth.

Imagine if a woman said she deserved to be rich because the law against rape doesn't magically prevent all rape. Pretty crazy, right?

I could go on....but I don't feel like filling out the next 10 pages. I wish you luck exploring systemic racism on this thread and I strongly suggest you follow my two points.

I believe I will do just that. Thanks, I had thought there was
something that I was not understanding.

Estrid · Oct 17, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
I don't agree with the SPLC's take on the concept.

The several sites I noted all called it a conspiracy theory.

lsume · Oct 17, 2021

Being critical of everything that’s not Christian going on is a huge task. Being aware of the negative Christian sentiment in the world today is part of the understanding that Christ wants His brothers and sisters to have. Focusing on the symptoms instead of the heart of the disease does not fix the problem.

DamianWarS · Oct 17, 2021

RDKirk said:
Wait. Are you trying to argue that a corporation that is capitalized by stocks totally owned by private stockholders is communist rather than capitalist?

Seriously?

did I describe Walmart's model incorrectly? I'm speaking of the model in a vacuum too so try not to expand out beyond that vacuum. If an entire country were run like Walmart it would be communist.

TheWhat? · Oct 17, 2021

DamianWarS said:
Walmart is a centralized system where there are no separate owners of each store but instead Walmart is the onwer. employees are paid low and since there is no onwer collecting profits or high paid management the money gets sent back to Walmart to make Walmart bigger and better without added benefit to the employees or the communities they are based in. Walmart in a vacuum can be looked at as a model of communism.

This is in contrast to a locally owned store where they work hard, build a brand and get the money returned to them which can be used to hire more people or pay people better and increase their livelihood and better the communities they live in.

You know, this would make for a great science fiction novel. American capitalism wins. Every corporation and business which hasn't been destroyed is eventually absorbed into the only remaining conglomerate. With only one corporation remaining, eventually, its identity as a corporation fades away, revealing the internal structure which now governs the world...

RDKirk · Oct 17, 2021

DamianWarS said:
did I describe Walmart's model incorrectly? I'm speaking of the model in a vacuum too so try not to expand out beyond that vacuum. If an entire country were run like Walmart it would be communist.

Lots of other models for that, then. The family unit (any kind of family unit). The military. What's your point?

ArmenianJohn · Oct 17, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
I've tried pretty hard to figure out what systemic racism is....and I've asked the very people on this forum who believe in systemic racism to explain it. That conversation is basically like talking to a NPC. They literally repeat the same things.

It's been explained to you ad nauseum and nobody (who's been around in these forums and has seen it) buys your story that you somehow can't understand what it is.

You clearly don't agree that it is real. But that is different from not understanding what it is. It's been explained to you wel by many people and in many ways, but rather than disagree with it you claim you are incapable of understanding what it is even after it's been explained to you.

If you really didn't understand what it is you wouldn't argue so vehemently against it as you do.

But nobody (other than perhaps people new to the forum and still giving you benefit of the doubt) buys your story that you don't understand what it is.

Feel free to go ahead now and double down yet again on insisting you don't understand it. At least it makes you look like you admit that you're incapable of understanding a concept rather than simply disagreeing with it, so keep pushing that storyline.

Strathos · Oct 17, 2021

SilverBear said:
CHristopher Rufo has a long history of creating anti CRT propaganda like the time he claimed that the federal government had bankrolled CRT mandatory training for “white employees at the Treasury Department, the Federal Reserve" that was in reality “obscene federal ‘diversity training’” Rufo claimed that: "the training begins with the premise that “virtually all white people contribute to racism” and hold narratives that “don’t support the dismantling of racist institutions.” Therefore, the trainers argue, white federal employees must “struggle to own their racism” and “invest in race-based growth.”" Actual journalists noted that Rufo wouldn't cite any of the "mountain of documentation" he had to back up his claims. Later when he did slip and identify the documents as the transcripts of a webinar “Beyond Words: Race, Work, and Allyship amid the George Floyd Tragedy,” (which is about creating an inclusive work environment and not CRT) and a pamphlet “Navigation Guide for Difficult Conversations about Race in Troubling Times.” the pamphlet talks about the importance of sincere dialogue on racial issues and providing general advice on holding successful group discussions on touchy topics.

My thoughts on this It's race bating propaganda at its worst and I have trouble understanding how anyone would believe that wal-mart or any cooperation is engaging in what Rufo claims.

It seems to me that if people actually checked the reliability of their sources, 90% of the threads in this forum wouldn't exist.

(And yes, that does include some threads linkin progressive/liberal propaganda articles).

DamianWarS · Oct 17, 2021

RDKirk said:
Lots of other models for that, then. The family unit (any kind of family unit). The military. What's your point?

you're conflating Walmart's system with any hierarchy system. Go ahead and get a job at Walmart and see what opportunities there are to advance or increase your pay. Families for example are a hierarchy but they do not function as Walmart does. Families have parents as the head who raise their children with increasing knowledge/skill/responsibility as well as increasing reward. Eventually, the kids leave and form their own families where they're the new leads independent from their parents but of course, the original parents have a continued role of leadership, and the cycle repeats. as it matures money is going bilaterally. there is a strong focus of money flowing to the young to build them to independence and money flows upwards to keep those aging comfortable. this is a system nothing like Walmart.

RDKirk · Oct 17, 2021

DamianWarS said:
you conflating Walmart's system with any hierarchy system. Go ahead and get a job at Walmart and see what opportunities there are to advance or increase your pay. Families for example are a hierarchy but they do not function as Walmart does. Families have parents as the head who raise their children with increasing knowledge/skill/responsibility as well as increasing reward. Eventually, the kids leave and form their own families where they're the new leads independent from their parents but of course, the original parents have a continued role of leadership, and the cycle repeats. as it matures money is going bilaterally. there is a strong focus of money flowing to the young to build them to independence and money flows upwards to keep those aging comfortable. this is a system nothing like Walmart.

But what is your point?

All Glory To God · Oct 17, 2021

ArmenianJohn said:
The document is not real, it wouldn't be this occluded if it were real. This is typical of the right wing, to make claims of documents that serve as "evidence" only to fail to produce them.

Could you define what the 'right wing' actually is for a point of reference?

Ana the Ist · Oct 17, 2021

Estrid said:
The several sites I noted all called it a conspiracy theory.

Yeah, they're wrong.

Here's a UCLA professor talking about the relevance of cultural Marxism (as a concept) as it relates to cultural studies (a field of scholarship. In the paper he mentions several high profile cultural Marxists.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...cQFnoECAkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0_aUW2S8zXoyPnUAY0h6Kl

Now, maybe the people you linked just don't know what they're talking about. It's possible they do know what they're talking about but are in denial. It's possible that they are cultural Marxists themselves....

Who knows?

It doesn't really matter. Cultural Marxism is a real thing.

Citizen of the Kingdom · Oct 17, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
Yeah, they're wrong.

Here's a UCLA professor talking about the relevance of cultural Marxism (as a concept) as it relates to cultural studies (a field of scholarship. In the paper he mentions several high profile cultural Marxists.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...cQFnoECAkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0_aUW2S8zXoyPnUAY0h6Kl

Now, maybe the people you linked just don't know what they're talking about. It's possible they do know what they're talking about but are in denial. It's possible that they are cultural Marxists themselves....

Who knows?

It doesn't really matter. Cultural Marxism is a real thing.

I had to look that up ~ one of the most influential bodies of contemporary thought. Tracing its development from beginnings in postwar Britain, through its various transformations in the 1960s and 1970s, to the emergence of British cultural studies at Birmingham, and up to the advent of Thatcherism, Dworkin shows this history to be one of a coherent intellectual tradition, a tradition that represents an implicit and explicit theoretical effort to resolve the crisis of the postwar British Left. ~
Cultural Marxism in Postwar Britain
History, the New Left, and the Origins of Cultural Studies
Dennis Dworkin ~ In the series Post-Contemporary Interventions

Citizen of the Kingdom · Oct 17, 2021

This is interesting : shows how culture effects different people

the founding discourse of the German Democratic Republic. Employing an approach informed by Slavoj Zizek’s work on the Communist’s sublime body and by British psychoanalytic feminism’s concern with feminine subjectivity, Hell first examines the antifascist works by exiled authors and authors tied to the resistance movement. She then strives to understand the role of Christa Wolf, the GDR’s most prominent author, in the GDR’s effort to reconstruct symbolic power after the Nazi period.
By focusing on the unconscious fantasies about post-fascist body and post-fascist voice that suffuse the texts of Wolf and others, Hell radically reconceptualizes the notion of the author’s subjective authenticity. Since this notion occupies a key position in previous literary-historical accounts of East German culture, Hell’s psychoanalytic approach problematizes the established literary model of an "authentic feminine voice" that gradually liberates itself from the GDR’s dominant ideological narrative. Far from operating solely on a narrowly political level, the novels of Wolf and others were intricate family sagas portraying psychic structures linked in complex ways to the GDR’s social dynamics. Hell traces this link through East German literatrure’s dominant narrative, a paternal narrative organized around the figure of the Communist father as antifascist hero.

Novel of course.

Estrid · Oct 17, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
Yeah, they're wrong.

Here's a UCLA professor talking about the relevance of cultural Marxism (as a concept) as it relates to cultural studies (a field of scholarship. In the paper he mentions several high profile cultural Marxists.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...cQFnoECAkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0_aUW2S8zXoyPnUAY0h6Kl

Now, maybe the people you linked just don't know what they're talking about. It's possible they do know what they're talking about but are in denial. It's possible that they are cultural Marxists themselves....

Who knows?

It doesn't really matter. Cultural Marxism is a real thing.

I suppose it's a matter of how inventive ones
wants to be with their equivocation

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