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I'm saying that I'm no longer condemned in God's sight. When he looks on me, he doesn't condemn me for not observing the Sabbath ( if that were a sin), or lusting for other woman, or having judgemental attitudes. Yes they grieve him, and they grieve me to repentance and hatred of them all, but God sees his Son in me. He sees Christ's righteousness. And because of this I'm no longer condemned. I have eternal life because he is my complete Saviour, not a partial Saviour who only saves because of our own efforts.
There is no condemnation for them in Christ Jesus.
He who believes in Jesus has passed from death to life. The wrath of God no longer abides on him. (Para)
 
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Same for all regenerate believers in Christ. Neither Jew nor Greek, not SDA, not Roman Catholic, not Baptist. The born again believer is one in Christ, adopted as children of the Father forever, and engrafted into Christ's body forever.
There is no condemnation. There is no legalism. There is obedience. But our obedience doesn't save. Our observing of the Sabbath or lack thereof doesn't save or determine it. Christ saves. Grace upon grace for the repentant trusting in Christ. And wrath upon wrath for the unregenerate and self righteous.
 
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Same for all regenerate believers in Christ. Neither Jew nor Greek, not SDA, not Roman Catholic, not Baptist. The born again believer is one in Christ, adopted as children of the Father forever, and engrafted into Christ's body forever.
There is no condemnation. There is no legalism. There is obedience. But our obedience doesn't save. Our observing of the Sabbath or lack thereof doesn't save or determine it. Christ saves. Grace upon grace for the repentant trusting in Christ. And wrath upon wrath for the unregenerate and self righteous.
I'm speaking generically here.
 
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I'm saying that I'm no longer condemned in God's sight.
Thanks for the clarification. According to the scriptures we are only condemned in God's sight if we stand before God in known unrepentant sin by breaking the law *Romans 3:19-20 or not believing and following what Gods' Word says *Hebrews 10:26-31. Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. If we through faith in God's promises repent and confess our sins Jesus is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9) It is not Gods will that we sin but if we do sin we have an advocate with the father, Jesus Christ the righteous *1 John 2:1. However, according to John, he that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him according to 1 John 2:3-4 written a little further on.
When he looks on me, he doesn't condemn me for not observing the Sabbath ( if that were a sin), or lusting for other woman, or having judgemental attitudes. Yes they grieve him, and they grieve me to repentance and hatred of them all, but God sees his Son in me. He sees Christ's righteousness. And because of this I'm no longer condemned. I have eternal life because he is my complete Saviour, not a partial Saviour who only saves because of our own efforts. There is no condemnation for them in Christ Jesus. He who believes in Jesus has passed from death to life. The wrath of God no longer abides on him. (Para)
According to the scriptures the promise of God's salvation is conditional on believing and following what Gods' Word says *Matthew 7:21-23. This is why Jesus says truly truly I say unto you unless a man is born again he cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven in John 3:3-7. Those who are born again according to John do not practice sin *see 1 John 3:6-9.

Jesus came to magnify God’s 10 commandment from the inside out quoting Matthew 5:17-32 (applying adultery and murder to our thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *Isaiah 42:21. This is to show that unless our righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. Evil (moral wrong doing) begins in the heart. Breaking God's 10 commandments from the heart according to Jesus is what defiles a man in Matthew 15:18-19. Jesus is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *Matthew 23:27-28.

Jesus magnified the law to the inside out. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the heart (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have God’s new covenant promise to of a new heart to love and why we need to be born again by faith in God's Word for salvation to be free from sin (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *Hebrews 8:10-12; 1 John 3:3-10.

This is leading to the new covenant promise of a new heart to love *Hebrews 8:10-12; John 5:42; 1 John 5:17-19; 1 John 4:16; 1 John 5:3; 1 John 4:8. Without Jesus we do not have the love of God in us *John 5:42. We need to be born of God to love *1 John 4:7 and partake of the new covenant promise. This is why Jesus teaches in *John 3:3-7 that unless we are made clean from the inside out and born again to love we cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven. This is what Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5:20 when discussing the Scribes and the Pharisees teaching the application of God's law from the inside out and applying God’s 10 commandments to our very thoughts.

Whosoever is born of God to love in the new covenant *Hebrews 8:10-12 does not practice committing sin according to the scriptures in 1 John 3:9; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; Romans 3:31; Matthew 22:36-40. This is the good news of the gospel in the new covenant. We have a Saviour to save us from sin (not in sin) *see John 8:31-36 making us free to walk in God's Spirit *Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:1-4.

1 John 3:3-10 is talking about all those who are born again to love and it is love that fulfills God's law in all those who believe and follow god's word in the new covenant *Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10. This results in a people that keep God’s law (10 commandments) from the inside out. *Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-10; Romans 13:8-10; Romans 3:31; Hebrews 8:10-12. Unless we are born again to love we cannot enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7.

See also what John says in 1 John 5:2-4 when he says; By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. For whatever is born of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith.

This is God's new covenant promise (Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 of salvation from sin in all those who have been born again of the Spirit into God's new covenant promise to receive a new heart to love. Those who are born again according to Jesus and John do not practice sin *1 John 3:6-9 because those who practice sin from the heart and those who do not is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil according to 1 John 3:6-10; John 3:3-7; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. God's salvation and good new gospel is salvation from sin. Not salvation to continue in sin. If we continue in sin we will die (Romans 8:13; Hebrews 10:26-31).

Take Care.
 
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Same for all regenerate believers in Christ. Neither Jew nor Greek, not SDA, not Roman Catholic, not Baptist. The born again believer is one in Christ, adopted as children of the Father forever, and engrafted into Christ's body forever. There is no condemnation. There is no legalism. There is obedience. But our obedience doesn't save. Our observing of the Sabbath or lack thereof doesn't save or determine it. Christ saves. Grace upon grace for the repentant trusting in Christ. And wrath upon wrath for the unregenerate and self righteous.
Then we have God's Word that says...

1 John 3:4-9
[4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whoever abides in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil...

the above links to the earlier context in 1 John 2....

1 John 2:3-4
[3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Happy Sabbath! my time dear friend.

Take Care.
 
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Then we have God's Word that says...

1 John 3:4-9
[4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whoever abides in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil...

the above links to the earlier context in 1 John 2....

1 John 2:3-4
[3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Happy Sabbath! my time dear friend.

Take Care.
Happy sabbath to you. Your time.
 
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1 John 2:1; 1 John 1:9.

Hebrews 6:4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. 7 For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
 
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Thanks for offering. I'll keep my Jesus who keeps me and will guard me forever.

John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
 
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Well that's not true:

Isaiah 66: 23 and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Holy, blessed, sanctified and God's Sabbath are words I would include for a day of worship more so than a working day that God deemed the first day.
Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God:
Try the full quote of Isaiah 66:23

And it shall be from new moon to new moon and... shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

You do not honor the new moon day even though it is mentioned in that verse, you quoted (Isaiah 66:23).

The sabbath was peculiar to the nation of Israel. The nation of Israel was the only nation that was commanded to honor the sabbath. No Gentile has ever been guilty of a breach of the sabbath. No nation other than Israel has ever had a sabbath day.
 
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Try the full quote of Isaiah 66:23

And it shall be from new moon to new moon and... shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

You do not honor the new moon day even though it is mentioned in that verse, you quoted (Isaiah 66:23).

The sabbath was peculiar to the nation of Israel. The nation of Israel was the only nation that was commanded to honor the sabbath. No Gentile has ever been guilty of a breach of the sabbath. No nation other than Israel has ever had a sabbath day.
The new moon here means month. New moon is the start of the month. This reads from one month (new moon) to another and from one Sabbath (week) to another we will worship the Lord and notice it says ALL FLESH (those saved) not just Jews, like Jesus told us the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27, not just Jews. According to scripture there is no more Jew or Gentile if you are one in Christ. Gal 3:28
 
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I'm saying that I'm no longer condemned in God's sight. When he looks on me, he doesn't condemn me for not observing the Sabbath ( if that were a sin), or lusting for other woman, or having judgemental attitudes. Yes they grieve him, and they grieve me to repentance and hatred of them all, but God sees his Son in me. He sees Christ's righteousness. And because of this I'm no longer condemned. I have eternal life because he is my complete Saviour, not a partial Saviour who only saves because of our own efforts.
There is no condemnation for them in Christ Jesus.
He who believes in Jesus has passed from death to life. The wrath of God no longer abides on him. (Para)
Amen brother and well said brother! :) Philippians 3:9 - and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith. Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. (Romans 3:24-28) No supplements needed.
 
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Romans 3: 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

James 2 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does itprofit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent themout another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
 
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Same for all regenerate believers in Christ. Neither Jew nor Greek, not SDA, not Roman Catholic, not Baptist. The born again believer is one in Christ, adopted as children of the Father forever, and engrafted into Christ's body forever.
There is no condemnation. There is no legalism. There is obedience. But our obedience doesn't save. Our observing of the Sabbath or lack thereof doesn't save or determine it. Christ saves. Grace upon grace for the repentant trusting in Christ. And wrath upon wrath for the unregenerate and self righteous.
Amen and once again, well said brother! :)
 
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Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
We establish or uphold the law by putting our faith in the One who fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf and who offers us His perfect righteousness as a gift. (Romans 4:5-6) Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4)
 
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We establish or uphold the law by putting our faith in the One who fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf and who offers us His perfect righteousness as a gift. (Romans 4:5-6) Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4)
Maybe you can explain how do you have faith or believe in someone but not have enough faith to obey what is asked? John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3.

According to scripture God’s saints keep the faith and the commandments of God Revelations 14:12
 
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We establish or uphold the law by putting our faith in the One who fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf and who offers us His perfect righteousness as a gift. (Romans 4:5-6) Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4)
Amen.
Galatians 5:1–12 (ESV)

1For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

2Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.

3I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

4You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

5For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness.

6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

7You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?

8This persuasion is not from him who calls you.

9A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

10I have confidence in the Lord that you will take no other view, and the one who is troubling you will bear the penalty, whoever he is.

11But if I, brothers, still preach circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been removed.

12I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves!

The Greek pagans emasculated themselves. They became eunuchs for their false gods. This is what Paul wishes they do-- who preach the law and hinder a believers freedom in Christ. A stark warning.
See also Galatians 1:6-8
 
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James 2 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent themout another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Let's examine James 2:14-26.

In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no works (to evidence his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple!

In James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" but they do not believe in/have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation. In other words, they do not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.

In James 2:20, "faith without works is dead" does not mean that faith is dead until it produces works and then it becomes a living faith or that works are the source of life in faith. That's like saying a tree is dead until it produces fruit and then it becomes a living tree and the fruit is the source of life in the tree. James is simply saying faith that is not accompanied by evidential works demonstrates that it's dead. If someone merely says-claims they have faith, but lack resulting evidential works, then they have an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith.

In James 2:21, notice closely that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God's accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22. The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to account him as righteous, but it showed or manifested the genuineness of his faith. That is the "sense" in which Abraham was "justified by works." He was shown to be righteous.

In James 2:22, faith made perfect or complete by works means bring to maturity, to complete like love in 1 John 4:18. It doesn't mean that Abraham was finally saved based on merits of his works after he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6.

In James 2:23, the scripture was fulfilled in vindicating or demonstrating that Abraham believed God and was accounted as righteous. Abraham was accounted as righteous based on his faith (Genesis 15:6) not his works (Romans 4:2-3) long before he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22.

In James 2:24, James is not using the word "justified" here to mean "accounted as righteous" but is shown to be righteous. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3)

In the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, the Greek word for justified "dikaioo" #1344 is:

1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

In Matthew 12:37, we read - "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned." This is because our words (and our works) reveal the condition of our hearts. Words/works are evidences for, or against being in a state of righteousness.

God is said to have been justified by those who were baptized by John the Baptist (Luke 7:29). This act pronounced or declared God to be righteous. It did not make him righteous. The basis or ground for the pronouncement was the fact that God IS righteous. Notice that the NIV reads, "acknowledged that God's way was right.." The ESV reads, "they declared God just.." That is the "sense" in which God was "justified." He was shown to be righteous.

Matthew 11:19 "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax-gatherers and sinners!' Yet wisdom is justified/vindicated/shown to be right by her deeds."

In James 2:25, Rahab believed in the Lord with authentic faith (Joshua 2:9-13), requested "kindness" (2:12), received the promise of kindness (2:14), and hung out the "scarlet line" (2:21), as the demonstration of her authentic faith. She showed that her faith in God was not a dead faith by her works, just as all genuine believers show theirs. (James 2:18)

In James 2:26, the comparison of the human spirit and faith converges around their modes of operation. The spirit (Greek pneuma) may also be translated "breath." As a breathless body exhibits no indication of life, so fruitless faith exhibits no indication of life. The source of the life in faith is not works; rather, life in faith is the source of works. (Ephesians 2:5-10)
 
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There are really only two ways about it. Either the SDA is the remnant church of God and Saturday Sabbath keeping is a legal requirement, thus condemning most Spirit filled Sunday worshippers to hell fire; alternatively, there is one true Church of Christ consisting of believers who are saved by God's grace through faith in Christ. I'm sorry to sound so blunt but this is the division that is caused when a doctrine, prophetess, or church, demands exclusive adherence.
 
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Danthemailman

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Maybe you can explain how do you have faith or believe in someone but not have enough faith to obey what is asked? John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3.

According to scripture God’s saints keep the faith and the commandments of God Revelations 14:12
Not properly understanding what it means to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus leads to legalism and not obedience. Seeking to obey the 10 commandments from the old covenant of law for salvation is legalism and does not represent the faith of Jesus.
 
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