What is ROBBED ?

SANTOSO said:

Beloved one, I agree with you partly.
I agree that adamic or fleshy thoughts robbed the spiritual thoughts that we should have in Christ Jesus.
Adamic thoughts always perceive that we cannot be equal to God but spiritual thoughts believe that we can be equal to God, for we are born of God.
For we heard our Lord Jesus Christ Himself said:
“Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:48‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Our Lord Jesus believe that we shall be perfect as our Father in Heaven is perfect, so we can be equal to God.

Likewise, we heard:

“to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:23‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

So here, we perceive the spirits of just can be made perfect !

Beloved one, the part I don’t agree with you is that you said,”understanding that we are all an Adam.” Why ?
This is what we have heard:
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.-1 Corinthians 15:22

So not all people are in Adam, but there are those who in Christ.

May God’s peace be with you. Amen

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we are both an Adam and a Christ in this realm ...

SANTOSO said:

Beloved one, what you are saying that related to the thread. I still don’t understand.

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I may have posted this in another thread by mistake but seems to apple here too. Just the basics

The legal side of redemption is what God has done for us in Christ and that’s in the past. Romans 4:25, 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, Romans 8:1, Colossians 1:14

(((((((25 who was handed over to death for our trespasses and was raised for our justification. 3 For I handed on to you as of first importance what I in turn had received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, 4 and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures, 1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.)))))

and is the vital part of what the Holy Spirit is doing in the new creation ... The Way of Christianity. That knowledge alone can leave one cold and lifeless yet once understood the knowledge is one of what belongs to the new creation in Christ. Knowledge of the rightful place of one who belongs to Abba and the privileges that become The Truth by the ministry of the Holy Spirit thru the Word in us.

A little study of the legal side may help in this 2 Corinthians 5:21, Romans 3:21-26, Titus 2:14

(((((21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. 21 But now, apart from law, the righteousness of God has been disclosed, and is attested by the law and the prophets, 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ[a] for all who believe. For there is no distinction, 23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; 24 they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a sacrifice of atonement[ by his blood, effective through faith. He did this to show his righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over the sins previously committed; 26 it was to prove at the present time that he himself is righteous and that he justifies the one who has faith in Jesus. 14 He it is who gave himself for us that he might redeem us from all iniquity and purify for himself a people of his own who are zealous for good deeds. )))))

into some of the vital facts 2 Corinthians 5:17-18, Ephesians 1:17-23

((17 So if anyone is in Christ, there is a new creation: everything old has passed away; see, everything has become new! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation; 17 I pray that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation as you come to know him, 18 so that, with the eyes of your heart enlightened, you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance among the saints, 19 and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power for us who believe, according to the working of his great power. 20 God put this power to work in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the age to come. 22 And he has put all things under his feet and has made him the head over all things for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all. )))

God has revealed what He’s done for us in the process of building the nature and The Life of the Father into the new creations human spirit. Showing the exceeding greatness of His ability on behalf of those who believe. Colossians 2:15, Galatians 2:20, Romans 6:8, Ephesians 2:6

((((15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and made a public example of them, triumphing over them in it. 20 and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 8 But if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, ))))

giving us a living picture of the work of Jesus Christ. Ephesians 1:4-6

((((4 just as he chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless before him in love. 5 He destined us for adoption as his children through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace that he freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.))))

We wouldn’t be here reading and studying this if the Father hadn’t drawn us to Himself. Ephesians 3:16-20

((((16 I pray that, according to the riches of his glory, he may grant that you may be strengthened in your inner being with power through his Spirit, 17 and that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith, as you are being rooted and grounded in love. 18 I pray that you may have the power to comprehend, with all the saints, what is the breadth and length and height and depth, 19 and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, so that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.20 Now to him who by the power at work within us is able to accomplish abundantly far more than all we can ask or imagine,))))

The new inner nature has received the Life and Nature of God and now the Holy Spirit is building up thru the Word the ability to walk as Christ did, dwelling on the ground of faith within the newly created heart. Jesus’ crown of thorns earned for the new creation many crowns to strive toward, the righteous glory of life Ephesians 3:20

((((20 Now to him who by the power at work within us is able to accomplish abundantly far more than all we can ask or imagine,)))

Which is the power of God in the resurrected life in the new creation. The pleasure that the Father has in His Son finds rest and satisfaction in fitting the new creation into His Purpose. John 16:13-14

((((However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.))))

BUT the mind is a matter of persuasive reasoning “Come, let us reason together”, part of the makeup of human beings. Taking each thought captive to Christ is how we gain the mind of Christ while in the midst of performing our reasonable service Romans 12:1-3.

(((( I appeal to you therefore, brothers and sisters, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. 2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your minds, so that you may discern what is the will of God—what is good and acceptable and perfect.3 For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of yourself more highly than you ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.)))))

The mind of Christ gained from our reasonable service is a new added benefit not available before the NT covenant.

YET that’s not really knowing God. Knowing God is to come to a full knowledge of Him, Father and Son, in the hope of the glory set before us. John 17:3 And as it’s expressed in love,

((((3 And this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.))))

THAT is the knowing of Christ Himself. Knowledge that comes from revelation, knowing, the spirit of revelation. Pray for that so as to have the full knowledge of Him. Ephesians 1:17-19

((((((17 I pray that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation as you come to know him, 18 so that, with the eyes of your heart enlightened, you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance among the saints, 19 and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power for us who believe, according to the working of his great power.)))))

Knowledge that is foundational to a believer, and is quite necessary.

SANTOSO said:

Beloved one,
Let us consider again what we have heard:
“Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:5-6‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

So beloved one, we should set our minds like Christ. For we also heard:
“For those who identify with their old nature set their minds on the things of the old nature, but those who identify with the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.

Having one’s mind controlled by the old nature is death, but having one’s mind controlled by the Spirit is life and shalom.”
‭‭Romans (Rom)‬ ‭8:5-6‬ ‭CJB‬‬

So beloved one, don’t identify with the old nature, for those who set their minds on the old nature or Adamic thoughts is death.

Beloved one, set your mind on the things of the Spirit or the Spirit of Christ, when your life is ruled by the Spirit of Christ is life and shalom for you.

Beloved one, perceive who we are not in the flesh but who we are in the Spirit of Christ.

Beloved one, abide in God’s words, and the truth shall set you free.

May God’s peace be with you. To God be glory and thanksgiving. Amen.

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first the natural then the spiritual ... an elder that serves a younger ... nothing is out of order

honey badger said:

first the natural then the spiritual ... an elder that serves a younger ... nothing is out of order

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I don’t think there's the possibility of getting higher than a seat in the witnesses at the church of the firstborn among the clouds watching whether the church body everywhere is as unscathed as she was when Jesus found her.

~Cassia~ said:

I don’t think there's the possibility of getting higher than a seat in the witnesses at the church of the firstborn among the clouds watching whether the church body everywhere is as unscathed as she was when Jesus found her.

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How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.