Hey Rus,
I'm surprised by a few things you say here. You're always about facts and truth and to hear you say the equivalent of, "This is my truth," which we hear so much in modernity, it was really surprising for me. Believing something to be a fact doesn't make it so, and I know that you're aware of that. I cannot have my own facts and you have yours. Things don't work that way. If you say that you have your strong suspicions that Biden's election was a corrupt one, I totally understand and appreciate that.
There was a concerted effort to ruin and destroy President Trump from day one. Numerous attempts were made to impeach him, defame him, sue him, expose his tax records, mock him, and the ENTIRE media was galvanized with vigor to destroy his reputation. To say he had no popular support outside of the wealthy, media, etc. I think isn't accurate. The black community was always buddy-buddy with Biden for years. You forget that Biden had strong ties to all the right folks that could sway the black vote. John Lewis, considered a civil rights icon, and the Congressional Black Caucus, NAACP, Karen Bass, and scores of black power brokers were able to convince the black electorate that Trump was the equivalent of Pol Pot. They delivered the votes to Biden handily.
Secondly, you have to remember that the liberal Bay Area, Southern California, the Central Coast, Northern California, the capital of CA, and the vast majority of my 54 electoral vote state was delivered on a platter to this guy. New York despised Trump for 4 years. He polled poorly for quite a while and so many women hated Trump. He polled very very very poorly with suburban white women. Even the more conservative polling showed us that. The military establishment brain trusts hated Trump, so their influence was far-reaching. The LGBT groups saw Trump as pure abject evil. They got the word out to their families.
Your argument follows the usual anecdotal approach to this problem that I see. It goes something like this: "Hey, I was out driving and I saw this Trump rally. Dude, it had like 50,000 people! Then, a week later they tried to have this rally for Biden outside of Witchita Falls. Bro, it only had like 200 people! No way that guy won. No way! Stolen 100%!"
The problem is that the argument contradicts the previous conservative assertion about the "silent majority." Let's rewind back to 2016. The polls showed Hillary in the lead....and....out of nowhere....Trump wins the Electoral College! This shows that people can be silent, keep to themselves, keep their heads down, and then show up out of nowhere and vote.....shocking the world.
If Trump voters could be quiet and not indicate their preferences and indications on phone polling in 2016, couldn't the same be true for Biden voters in 2020? Do we simply go on the size of rallies that we visually note as the indicator of popularity? I think that is what you are doing, Rus.
With COVID, liberals and moderates were far less likely to attend Biden rallies. Conservatives, many of whom thought COVID was a "hoax" or "made up" or "just a flu bug" were often more reckless and unmasked and unworried, totally willing to go to rallies. As a result, your eyes can play tricks on you. What you see at rallies doesn't necessarily equate to who is popular and who is not.
The fact that cheering and booing and photo optics are the main source of your assertion about popularity also gives me pause.
I'm an open book. I voted for Trump.....TWICE. Actually I voted for him 3 times if you include the primary in the GOP. I was with him all along. I still am. I'd vote for him again without hesitation despite my disagreement about his sour grapes stolen election hearsay arguments. I find many things about Trump off-putting, but, as Dr. Victor Davis Hanson said at the talk of his that I attended in July, we have to take the good with the bad as we did with Patton and MacArthur. If you want a strong reformer and agent of change, sometimes the crazy and outlandish side of them is the byproduct price to be paid. I was and am willing to put up with Trump's narcissism and zany crudeness in order to curb abortion, fight LGBTism, stave off the climate change hordes, improve our economy, protect worship, and keep America a capitalist democracy.
What I don't like is your reference of "world view." Knowing you by now, I don't think you meant it in an insulting fashion, so I won't take it that way. I'm not sure you know my worldview or if I thoroughly know yours.
Do I think the election COULD have been stolen? Sure. Anything is possible. However, the fact that every single judge who was Trump-installed either rejected or refused to take on the election fraud case out of a lack of evidence or absurd pseudo-evidence at the onset speaks volumes. Mike Pence, Trump's own right hand, does not assert a stolen election. Of course, due to his refusal to jump on board with the conspiracy theory, he has been rejected now as a traitor and rogue villain by the MAGA forces. Congressional Republicans felt the "steal" was nonsense. Most of the "evidence" you hear on these project veritas or YouTube videos was easily deep-faked or exaggerated or lacking context. Much of it was Q Anon-inspired drivel as well. In a nation with millions and millions of new voters participating due to mail-in ballots, voting in a Democrat is easily plausible. They say there are around 55 million registered Republicans in the United States while around 71 to 72 million voters are registered Democrats. The thing is, most of the time Democrats do not come out in flocks to vote. They tend to lack the drive, motivation, and passion of conservative voters. The Democrats, sadly, have been quite successful in getting ex-cons to vote, welfare-dependent moochers to vote, minority groups, and all sorts of other special interests to vote via mail-in voting. The deadbeat food stamps welfare guy who stays at home watching Netflix while eating a steady diet of government cheese normally would neeeeever go to the polls to vote, but....hey! Now he has a handy-dandy easy ballot that takes five minutes to finish and mail off with zero effort. The effect? You picked up a liberal vote right there from a guy who wants to ensure his gimmee-gimmee freebies remain as steady as the sunrise.
Mail-in voting helped Biden win that election. Most recounts have shown that the amount of fraud that was actual and documented was not significant enough to change the numbers in Trump's favor.
Could you be right about election theft? Absolutely. But you can't prove it. So at this point the logical and intelligent thing to do is use the word "alleged" rather than state theory, conjecture, and speculation as firm-as-mortar fact based on some perceptions, online videos, seeing a few rallies, and having a feeling that something is awry. I'd be the first guy to jump for joy if we could prove such a theft and re-install Trump. That is my worldview.
Gurney, I firmly believe it to be a fact, for many reasons. It is proved to me. It is not proved to you. I’m pushing sixty and see a thousand relevant facts that fit together and make sense. You have a world view that doesn’t see that. A view that says that Biden won the election fair and square does not square with the fact that he has no popular support to speak of, outside of the establishments of the wealthy, the media, Hollywood, etc. When Trump was President, thousands of supporters could be seen cheering and hollering support at his events and speeches even under covid. I see only silence and videos of booing when his motorcade goes past, and I plug in to a wide range of sources. I’ll even watch the claims and rigged reporting from CNN and MSNBC. A man who honestly won the most votes in American history ought to have visible public support. The ordinary people would be out backing the man up. And they aren’t. That is what I see to be a rather important fact (out of I don’t know how many hundreds of facts) that you would have to effectively counter, setting aside the direct reporting and videos establishing large numbers of cases of fraud on local levels. I think I have considerable evidence for my allegation based on observation and thinking about claims and counter-claims. But tell me where the popular support is, where Biden is being cheered and his policies hailed. (As if they were actually “his” policies; the man is a replaceable puppet.)
