George Will nails it.

The Barbarian said:

George Will is a Goldwater/Reagan/Buckley conservative. Time was when conservatives were libertarian, pro-American,and pro-Constitution. Trump changed all that.



About the time he locked up the nomination. It was like someone opened the sewers. Since then, he owns the republican party.

And he led them down into an electoral disaster, as suburban and college-educated republicans moved to Biden.



Yeah, you can ding Trump messing up a lot of things, but the COVID economic collapse really lowered gas prices. As the economy recovers, but refineries are slow to gear up, prices rise. The good news is that they are now declining.

GasBuddy said on its blog Monday that the average gas price in the United States has fallen 1.9 cents per gallon in the last week, to an average of $3.15 per gallon. That number is down 2.8 cents from a month earlier, while nearly a dollar lower than the price this time last year.

However, there is some worry with another tropical storm headed towards one of the centers of supply. Retail demand fell for the fourth straight week, which is typical in September. The most common price was $2.99 per gallon.
Gas Prices Drop As Fall Season Approaches

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Trump lost a presidential election by 51 to 47% I would hardly call that a disaster. Democrats lost seats in the house a slim majority.

Price of gas in California has went from three dollars a gallon to $4.50 a gallon

I like how it is pointed out that alleged kinder & gentler conservatives hearken back to individuals like Barry Goldwater, William F. Buckley, Ronald Reagan etc. Yeah right, by this logic one who agreed with those guys ( & I do agree with them now & regrettably not in my younger days), an individual was an alleged “good” conservative. No dice, these men were hated in their time by most liberals & probably still are.

Lukaris said:

I like how it is pointed out that alleged kinder & gentler conservatives hearken back to individuals like Barry Goldwater, William F. Buckley, Ronald Reagan etc. Yeah right, by this logic one who agreed with those guys ( & I do agree with them now & regrettably not in my younger days), an individual was an alleged “good” conservative. No dice, these men were hated in their time by most liberals & probably still are.

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I believe in hindsight people will look back at trumps presidency and look at his economic numbers the lowest unemployment in 50 years and really question why he was not reelected for a second term. Not to mention the tough stance he took on China which was needed and his agreement with North Korea which was the first time president had the courage to visit that country..

The Barbarian said:

Trump lost the electoral vote by a margin he called "a landslide."

And he lost the popular vote by a larger margin than he lost to Hillary. But then we had four years to see how he performed. So it's not surprising.

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4% Is not a landslide not even by democratic math.

Jeff11 said:

George will stated several years ago he left the republican party and now identifies as a libertarian so I’m not sure why the OP would quote him in this context. He’s no longer a conservative. Not sure why the original poster would want to quote him but I guess anyone who criticizes Republicans regardless of their actual identified position he thinks is worthwhile.

George Will’s Libertarian Turn - Mark Pulliam

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True Libertarians are truer conservatives than today's Republican Party. Libertarians want to remain true to the US CONSTITUTION, unlike Republicans, who want to twist it to meet their standards.

Yarddog said:

True Libertarians are truer conservatives than today's Republican Party. Libertarians want to remain true to the US CONSTITUTION, unlike Republicans, who want to twist it to meet their standards.

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Libertarians are lacking common sense like George well. A vote for the Libertarian candidate in 2020 was a vote that was thrown away. You may not agree with the majority of the republican party platform but it’s much superior to the Democratic Party platform.

The Barbarian said:

Yep. I have almost nothing in common with the Trump republicans. There's no respect for the Constitution among those guys.

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The Barbarian said:

Yep. I have almost nothing in common with the Trump republicans. There's no respect for the Constitution among those guys.

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Well Republicans have brains and that’s another thing you don’t have in common.

Jeff11 said:

Libertarians are lacking common sense like George well. A vote for the Libertarian candidate in 2020 was a vote that was thrown away. You may not agree with the majority of the republican party platform but it’s much superior to the Democratic Party platform.

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That is the way each major party thinks of the other and how Libertarians think of both of them.

The Barbarian said:

Or witty retorts, for that matter.



It was just revealed that Pence consulted Dan Quayle for advice on what to do when Trump was pressuring him to throw the election to Trump.
Q.E.D

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Not a fan of Pence, though I agree with his views on women.

Yarddog said:

True Libertarians are truer conservatives than today's Republican Party. Libertarians want to remain true to the US CONSTITUTION, unlike Republicans, who want to twist it to meet their standards.

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They are more conservative financially or fiscally. But they have zero chance of winning a presidential election voting for them it’s just a wasted vote. Until they can poll at least 30% or more I won’t consider voting for them.

Jeff11 said:

They are more conservative financially or fiscally. But they have zero chance of winning a presidential election voting for thee conservative m it’s just a wasted vote. Until they can poll at least 30% or more I won’t consider voting for them.

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As long as Conservatives keep voting for the false conservative Republican Party then Democrats will remain in office.

As a nationalist & isolationist conservative, I do my best to form an approach to unfolding political garbage. I heard Trump speaking towards the end of his speech on 1/6/21 and did not detect incitement in it. They say he caused covid 19 yet he helped direct efforts to build ventilators, field hospitals, sent hospital ships to states like New York & California that stayed empty while the good governors of those states sent kept covid 19 sufferers in nursing homes. They say “science is real” but called Trump a xenophobic for closing the borders and he initially went along with the lockdown & took it for the economic fallout. The “doctors” who now support the current regime initially condemned masking giving Trump nothing to work with ( probably setting him up).

Personally I am vaccinated & followed the masking bit and try to look for examples to follow “the science” . The only consistent examples I noticed were New Zealand & Australia which close their borders & do massive quarantines. Despite Australia’s current covid surge, it would probably be considered almost eradicated in the US.

Now Trump is Dr Strangelove (Dr. Strangelove - Wikipedia) yet a good patriotic general has saved America from nuclear war. Somehow China is always exempt from matters like covid 19 & nuclear war & yet they become further military & economically dominant.

So let us take a historical approach to George Will vs Trump in the example of the Iraq War of 2003. George Will said going to war would save lives.

George Will: Iraq War May Save Lives

Meanwhile the “fact checkers”(!) the “fact checkers” (!) say Trump was contradictory on the Iraq war. Yet, they cannot prove he supported it and even acknowledge he probably opposed it early on cause of some of his “shady” business shenanigans.

Donald Trump and the Iraq War - FactCheck.org

If Trump had not pushed through the vaccines and rush those through for proof of the pandemic would be much worse than actually is. I have a difficult time envisioning Democrats doing that. If a president Had been a Democrat I don’t think we would get the vaccines as quickly as we did. For all of trumps fault he knows how to work with contractors to get things accomplished