1 in every 500 U.S. residents has died of COVID-19

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The timeline back here in reality is different, where the current wave of cases is strongly correlated to the spread of the much more infectious delta variant, mainly among the unvaccinated.

The timeline in super reality shows that things got worse when vaccinated people took off their mask....and then the CDC told them to put them back on to lessen the spread.

Even if your reality is correct, the vaccinated are still the ones causing the spread, even though it may be the unvaccinated who are more affected by it.

remember, this is about the vaccinated blaming the unvaccinated for the recent outbreak. This only Flies in your own personal reality.
 
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Great. Then masks off and leave the unvaccinated alone, right?

Huh.

Masks still reduce the chance of infection. (I only wear one in places that require it, elsewhere around here you seem out of place.)

How do I leave the unvaccinated alone? I don't know who they are. They aren't wearing badges. If you meant, to not try and convince or coerce them to get vaccinated, I will not stop.
 
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The timeline in super reality shows that things got worse when vaccinated people took off their mask

Let's see the evidence for that.

the vaccinated are still the ones causing the spread

And that.

remember, this is about the vaccinated blaming the unvaccinated for the recent outbreak. This only Flies in your own personal reality.
That's not true.
 
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You might want to reconsider characterizing people in such a fashion.

First, not believing in a god doesn't mean you don't believe in a spirit, soul, or afterlife. There are plenty of atheists who think there is some sort of afterlife or reincarnation not driven by a deity. (I happen to think they are wrong, but that is a real position.)

Second, just because I don't think there is anything after death doesn't mean that I (or anyone else with a similar position) does not think death matters. It matters when and how it happens. Premature and painful deaths should be avoided not only for ourselves, but anyone we can aid. If there is no afterlife, then the life we have should be precious.

As such, I can judge the COVID deaths as unnecessary, avoidable, and a bad thing. Most of the 666 thousand people identified as having died of this thing would still be alive if it had been controlled.
You can judge it as not preferable. You can’t judge it as bad.
 
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so you wish for the reader to assume the reason why you posted the info, instead of just telling us? You will have to forgive those who get it wrong, as it is your desire for us to guess.

I came across the article while browsing the news. This being the News & Current Events section, I decided to share it here.

That's about it.
 
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The timeline in super reality shows that things got worse when vaccinated people took off their mask....and then the CDC told them to put them back on to lessen the spread.

Since I haven't been to "super reality", back here in regular reality...

When the CDC said that it was safe for vaccinated people to go about their business without masks (but everyone else should keep them on) :

1. The case rates were relatively low, so the fraction of potentially infected people in any crowd were lower.

2. The more infectious delta variant was still quite rare and the vaccines provided very strong protection (including against silent infections and spread by vaccinated people)

Stores, etc., changed there "every one must mask" signs to "vaccinated people don't need masks" and ...

3. virtually everyone in my area stopped wearing masks in public places. Given that less than half of adults here were vaccinated at the time, at least half of the people in these places were effectively lying about their status by not wearing a mask while unvaccinated. (Compliance was already waning a bit and restaurants were becoming more crowded, etc., prior to the CDC announcement and the collapse of masking.)

4. There was a small spike that went down in most places.

5. Then the delta variant came, wrecked havoc on the unvaccinated, and even got some unmasked vaccinated people sick.


The removal of mask by vaccinated people in the spring did happen, but it is not the main cause our our current outbreak. (That would be the delta variant, and the non-masking of the unvaccinated.)
 
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I think it's important to note that this same statistic can be shown by .002 or .2% of the population. This is very unlikely.
The news likes to create fear. And the Bible tells us in 2 Timothy 1:7 that God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. So, do not fear my brothers and sisters.
 
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I think it's important to note that this same statistic can be shown by .002 or .2% of the population. This is very unlikely.

The actual individual risk is relative to individual circumstance.

It's also interesting to me that people are willing to be dismissive of how many Americans have died due to COVID-19, which at this point is largely preventable.

For point of comparison, 0.0001% of the U.S. population died due to a terrorist attack in 2001. The U.S. launched a 20 year war in response.

The news likes to create fear. And the Bible tells us in 2 Timothy 1:7 that God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. So, do not fear my brothers and sisters.

It's not about fear, it's about understanding the reality of the situation. And the reality of the situation is the SARS-CoV-2 virus doesn't care about anyone's beliefs. All that matters it that people take preventative measures to combat the spread. That is, if people actually care about combating the spread.
 
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I don't see how your posts are doing anything of the sort. To prove what I think you're getting at, you'll need to demonstrate how the pneumonia caused by covid attacking lung tissue isn't actually caused by covid. I've seen zero attempts at that.

Conversely, you could demonstrate how a person on hospice who passes away without any Covid symptoms is legitimately a death from Covid.

Essentially, Dr. Ezike explained that anyone who passes away after testing positive for the virus is included in that category.

"If you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means technically even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it's still listed as a COVID death. So, everyone who's listed as a COVID death doesn't mean that that was the cause of the death, but they had COVID at the time of the death." Dr. Ezike outlined.


IDPH Director explains how Covid deaths are classified (week.com)

While i agree that 98cwitr is misrepresenting the meaning of the 6% number, it's true that for that vast majority of 2020 and early 2021, dying with Covid and dying from Covid weren't distinguished in determining how many died "from" Covid. They were all counted.
 
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They made the same assessment for a person who started vomiting in the parking lot 20 minutes after her shot. Natural causes. Unrelated to the vaccine. That's the officials stance, regardless of the incident.

Here's more info:

According to Ms. Neckelmann, three days after her husband got the vaccine, he developed tiny reddish spots, or petechiae, caused by bleeding under the skin of his hands and feet. Recognizing the spots as a danger sign, he went to the emergency room. A blood test showed the level of his platelets, a blood component essential for clotting, to be at zero, she wrote, and he was admitted into the intensive care unit with a diagnosis of acute immune thrombocytopenia.

Dr. Michael had “absolutely no medical issues” and no underlying conditions, Ms. Neckelmann, who declined to be interviewed by phone as she made funeral preparations, said in a text message to The New York Times. “Never had any reaction to any medication nor vaccines.” Her husband, she added, was a healthy, active person who did not smoke or take any medication.
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Dr. Jerry L. Spivak, an expert on blood disorders at Johns Hopkins University, who was not involved in Dr. Michael’s care, said that based on Ms. Neckelmann’s description, “I think it is a medical certainty that the vaccine was related.”

“This is going to be very rare,” said Dr. Spivak, an emeritus professor of medicine. But he added, “It happened and it could happen again.”

Even so, he said, it should not stop people from being vaccinated.
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Dr. Spivak said several things made the vaccine the mostly likely suspect in Dr. Michael’s case. The disorder came on quickly after the shot, and was so severe that it made his platelet count “rocket” down — a pattern like that in some cases brought on by drugs such as quinine. In addition, Dr. Michael was healthy and young, compared with most people who develop chronic forms of the ailment from other causes. Finally, most patients — 70 percent — are women. A sudden case in a man, especially a relatively young, healthy one, suggests a recent trigger.


Doctor’s Death After Covid Vaccine Is Being Investigated
Hey look. Great. I'm ALL for investigating.
But let's take a second to check EXACTLY what Dr Spivak is working from and what he says:
1) "not involved in Michael's care". Okay. Well certainly he had the medical history and full knowledge of background?
2) "based on Ms Neckelmann's description". Who knows how precise it is? Is there a reason she wouldn't want the blood disorder specialist to have access to ALL his informatoin?
3) "It happenned and could happen again". Okay, so 1 in 340,000,000. And it "could" happen again.


I'm all for risk assessment but I simply don't understand the vaccine hesitant's version of risk assessment with this disease and the vaccine.




There have been 5.4 BILLION doses of this medication given around the world.
Tell me how common these reactions are?
 
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You’re a Christian. Your worldview is different from an atheist.
Well I gotta say. I'm not sure you know what the atheist worldview is.

I'd also note that christian capitalists were big into eugenics and killing the weak or indigenous cultures because they were weaker.

So I'm not sure the plank in the eye is a good look.
 
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Conversely, you could demonstrate how a person on hospice who passes away without any Covid symptoms is legitimately a death from Covid.

Essentially, Dr. Ezike explained that anyone who passes away after testing positive for the virus is included in that category.

"If you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means technically even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it's still listed as a COVID death. So, everyone who's listed as a COVID death doesn't mean that that was the cause of the death, but they had COVID at the time of the death." Dr. Ezike outlined.


IDPH Director explains how Covid deaths are classified (week.com)

While i agree that 98cwitr is misrepresenting the meaning of the 6% number, it's true that for that vast majority of 2020 and early 2021, dying with Covid and dying from Covid weren't distinguished in determining how many died "from" Covid. They were all counted.
Illinois Is Not Inflating Coronavirus Deaths. In Fact, They're Likely Higher Than Reported, Officials Say
Wanted to make sure I found a quote from the VERY same person...

But Dr. Ngozi Ezike, director of the Illinois Department of Public Health, said Tuesday such claims could not be further from the truth. In fact, the number of deaths in the state is likely higher than what’s been reported, she said.

An analysis from The New York Times estimated coronavirus has likely killed hundreds more Illinoisans than what’s been counted so far.

The state only attributes deaths to coronavirus with a laboratory assessment, Ezike said, and the data reported by the state comes from hospitals and other agencies.

Ezike said the state is now looking back at deaths in early March or late February to see if someone died from the virus before officials realized it had hit the state.

But the state’s death toll does not include people who had coronavirus but obviously died from something else, Ezike said.

“As we learn more about the disease, there may have been less typical presentations of COVID-19 that were not appropriately attributed to COVID because there wasn’t a test done because the suspicion was not there,” Ezike said. “There [are] also some additional deaths [of people] who happened to be COVID-positive but the COVID infection had nothing to do with the death.”
my emphasis.
Regardless, it looks like they have since adjusted to those deaths.
For example, a death might be reported to the state and the death certificate might mention coronavirus — but when officials do a further review and see the person died from a shooting or car crash, they exclude that person from the state’s COVID-19 death toll, Ezike said.

But if someone had another illness, like heart disease, and they suffered a stroke while battling coronavirus, it is not as easy to separate that and conclude COVID did not play a role in exacerbating an existing illness, Ezike said. That person would not be removed from the count.
 
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The hospitals are filling up with patients and there are a lot of excess deaths. What else could be causing that?

/s

Is it because twitter cut of our therapeutic supply of tweets from realDonaldTrump? I bet that's the reason for the increase in hospitalizations.
 
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Why can't I judge it (deaths from covid) as bad? I certainly don't think they are a good thing.
You can, but you’ll have to borrow from my worldview. There is no basis for good or bad in atheism.
 
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Huh.

Masks still reduce the chance of infection. (I only wear one in places that require it, elsewhere around here you seem out of place.)

How do I leave the unvaccinated alone? I don't know who they are. They aren't wearing badges. If you meant, to not try and convince or coerce them to get vaccinated, I will not stop.
The unvaccinated are needing more hospital beds due to COVID, not the flu.
https://www.https//nypost.com/2021/...d-19-hospitalizations-from-unvaccinated-data/
 
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