What are the reasons behind a person wrongfully rejecting the Trinity? (Trinity Christians Only)

Clare73 said:

It's not about logic, it's about a reality you do not understand.

Nor is God governed by human logic, rather we are governed by God's revelation,
which reveals three equal and personal (acting as persons) divine agents acting in unison in salvation; i.e., three persons in the one God (see post #208, above).

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Man didnt create logic, God did. Your claim is illogical. Also your claim of Revelation isn't there. It's made up.

Clare73 said:

Which explains your misunderstanding. . .

All meaning requires interpretation according to the rules of grammar.

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Sure, tell me when all means less than the totality.

Clare73 said:

Nope. . .depends on what "all."
I think that was right before the invention of papyrus.

And who are you, O sir, to tell Paul--who received his revelation from Jesus Christ personally
in the third heaven (2 Corinthians 12:1-9),
who used words not taught by human wisdom, but words taught by the Holy Spirit
(1 Corinthians 2:13 )--who are you, O "sir," to tell Paul how he must use words?

Go and learn what this means (Matthew 9:13): you are in error because you do not know the Scriptures (Mark 12:24).

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I'm not. You guys are. All doesn't mean all.

Clare73 said:

Precisely. . .

There is one God and that is the Father. . .which did not necessarioly exclude: and that is the Son... and that is the Holy Spirit, the three personal (acting as persons) divine agents in the one and only God, acting in unison in the work of salvation (see post #208, above).

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Three agents in the one and only God? So, then there are three parts to the one and only God?

I often here Christians ask how to reply to atheists. Don't, this thread is a perfect example of how illogical and absurd the arguments of many Christians are and the reason they get chewed up and spit out by atheists. Don't engage them they'll only weaken your faith. If one doesn't have sound doctrine the atheist will eat you alive.

Butch5 said:

Man didnt create logic, God did. Your claim is illogical.

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All logic is not equal. . .human logic (Romans 9:19) is not equal to divine logic (Romans 9:20-21).

Also your claim of Revelation isn't there. It's made up.

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Butch5 said:

Three agents in the one and only God? So, then there are three parts to the one and only God?

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Non-responsive. . .to post #208.

Butch5 said:

Sure, tell me when all means less than the totality.

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Butch5 said:

I'm not. You guys are. All doesn't mean all.

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Non-responsive. . .that has already been demonstrated to you.

Clare73 said:

All logic is not equal. . .human logic (Romans 9:19) is not equal to divine logic (Romans 9:20-21).

Non-responsive. . .to post #208.

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There's no such thing as human logic. One either reasons correctly or incorrectly.

Clare73 said:

Non-responsive. . .that has already been demonstrated to you.

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Ah, so you won't answer. Why am I not surprised?

Butch5 said:

I often here Christians ask how to reply to atheists. Don't, this thread is a perfect example of how illogical and absurd the arguments of many Christians are and the reason they get chewed up and spit out by atheists. Don't engage them they'll only weaken your faith. If one doesn't have sound doctrine the atheist will eat you alive.

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You aren't eating everyone alive here. . .you are getting eaten alive.

Butch5 said:

There's no such thing as human logic. One either reasons correctly or incorrectly.

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Non-responsive to post #246.

Butch5 said:

Ah, so you won't answer. Why am I not surprised?

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My guess is probably because you are unresponsive to posts #208 and #246.

Clare73 said:

You aren't eating everyone alive here. . .you are getting eaten alive.

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Now that is truly funny.

Clare73 said:

My guess is probably because you are unresponsive to posts #208 and #246.

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There's no point in replying to your posts. You guys talk in circles. Half of what is said isn't even logical. Three is one, but one is three, but it's not three, it's one, but it's one made of three. It's three almighties, but there can only be one almighty. It's three coequal but one is a Son and one is a father. It's three coequals but one doesn't know the other two. How is it logical that there are three almighties when by definition almighty can only be one? How can there be three persons who are fully God yet there is only one God? What you guys are posting isn't logical. Then you tell me I'm wrong. What I say is logical and makes perfect sense and it's the statement of faith on this website. Go look at it. There is Scripture for ever line of it. What Scripture is there to support your claim? Where do we find Scrjpture saying there is one God who consists of three persons?

There's no need to answer or try to explain. I know you can't

Butch5 said:

There's no point in replying to your posts. You guys talk in circles. Half of what is said isn't even logical. Three is one, but one is three, but it's not three, it's one, but it's one made of three. It's three almighties, but there can only be one almighty. It's three coequal but one is a Son and one is a father. It's three coequals but one doesn't know the other two. How is it logical that there are three almighties when by definition almighty can only be one? How can there be three persons who are fully God yet there is only one God? What you guys are posting isn't logical. Then you tell me I'm wrong. What I say is logical and makes perfect sense and it's the statement of faith on this website. Go look at it. There is Scripture for ever line of it. What Scripture is there to support your claim?

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Where do we find Scrjpture saying there is one God who consists of three persons?

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Addressed in post #208, to which you failed to respond.

There's no need to answer or try to explain. I know you can't

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The Emperor has no clothes. . .

Non-responsive to posts #208 and #246.

sandman said:

That is a good point …One point the Unitarians make, which has been proven true is …You cannot learn the trinity from the Bible... it must be taught to you.

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That is false since scripture calls the Father God, the Son God and the Holy Spirit God and Jesus teaches in John 14-17 that they are not each other and does the same thing in the great commission in Matthew 28:18-20.

hope this helps !!!

Bible Highlighter said:

Yes, I did consider that one main reason why many Arians reject the Trinity is because they simply do not understand it. I believe it takes spiritual discernment of God’s Word to be able to see it clearly in Scripture. For it is like wide open big time clear that the Trinity is true. But I think because they don’t understand it, or it is not put forth in enough verses in the way that they would like, they simply do not accept it. But God’s Word should not cater to our way of thinking. We should mold our thoughts to His Word even when we may not understand always.

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Both the Trinity and 2 natures in Christ deny human logic and reasoning . It takes the Holy Spirit to open ones mind to understand these truths concerning God.

sandman said:

That is a good point …One point the Unitarians make, which has been proven true is …
You cannot learn the trinity from the Bible... it must be taught to you.

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Did not the information in post #208:
What are the reasons behind a person wrongfully rejecting the Trinity? (Trinity Christians Only) come from the Bible?

R7-12 said:

I don’t buy it either. God is going to hold people accountable for not worshiping Him in the correct way as revealed in Scripture. I believe folks who accept the Trinity are not accepting the whole counsel of God’s Word for their own personal reasons. I don’t believe a person accepts the Trinity because it is what they believe Scripture says. Ignorance only goes so far. A person who accepts the Trinity has to ignore John 17:3, and other verses. It could be that they are lazy and they do not care to search out the matter themselves because they are cozy at their church or it could be that they simply do not understand the Only Truly God and it sounds illogical to them. There could be many reasons why they accept the Trinity and it has nothing to do with what the Bible says because the Word clearly doesn’t teach it. To accept the Trinity is to go against the clear teaching of God’s Word.

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Not true and you isolated that verse from it’s context . The Son declares He was with the Father before creation in John 17:5. And 17:3 is a statement of equality with the Father in Eternal Life.

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Clare73 said:

Addressed in post #208, to which you failed to respond.

The Emperor has no clothes. . .

Non-responsive to posts #208 and #246.

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All addressed speaking in circles