Enoch translated?

I don't see how Hebrews 11:5 could imply any of that.

It's a good read. The fact Jude 1:14-15 quotes it implies at least a part of it is correct, Christian mysticals love it, the Tewahedo churches hold it as canonical, some teachings of the New Testament may echo some previously presented in the Book of Enoch, many Early Church Fathers (which you may call Christian scholars) had high regard for it... But it's not really constructive, and it has been suggested by a specific Church Father I don't remember right now that it had already been deeply corrupted by his time. I believe this to be the case.

eartheart said:

I have not read the book of Enoch, so does Hebrews 11:5 suggest that God removed him and his book from the Holy Word to exemplify full faith?

Jesus speaks of Enoch as if he was once part of the Bible, as if he were initiated, taken up and written into the book of life perhaps?
Your thoughts?

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The Bible says Enoch was translated (taken to heaven without dying - see Heb 11 and Genesis 5). I don't know of any reference to anything written by Enoch existing at the time of Moses or before that.

There is an apocryphal book with his name on it - but no extant copies of it in Hebrew (Which you would think would be its manuscript form prior to the Greek empire)

-- copies that we have today are thought to have been written in the 3rd and 4th century B.C. -- and nothing found that quotes them before that.

Book of Enoch - Wikipedia

In the wiki article we see this :

RaphaCam said:

It's a good read. The fact Jude 1:14-15 quotes it implies at least a part of it is correct, .

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That is an interesting detail.


wiki article:

eartheart said:

I have not read the book of Enoch, so does Hebrews 11:5 suggest that God removed him and his book from the Holy Word to exemplify full faith?

Jesus speaks of Enoch as if he was once part of the Bible, as if he were initiated, taken up and written into the book of life perhaps?
Your thoughts?

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There is the comparison to Elijah being taken up to heaven that can be made.

Given the vision three of the apostles saw together of Moses and Elijah standing with Jesus, it would seem odd and practically near impossible to make that case for Elijah because it has far more recorded information.

In my view the amount of stories about any one person mentioned in the Bible have the similar limitations that are mentioned in John 21:25. The suggestion that God removed him and his book from the Holy Word to exemplify full faith is speculating on the will of God with His intentions. Oddly after writing my last sentence, it now sounds to me more like the assertion itself requires blind faith.

eartheart said:

I have not read the book of Enoch, so does Hebrews 11:5 suggest that God removed him and his book from the Holy Word to exemplify full faith?

Jesus speaks of Enoch as if he was once part of the Bible, as if he were initiated, taken up and written into the book of life perhaps?
Your thoughts?

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There are two different versions of the Book of Enoch in print today. One is from ancient manuscripts, and the other is by the New Age movement. So if one is going to read it, they need to be careful which version they get.

The stories in the Book of Enoch about the hybrid giant race is probably one of the things that got the Book of Enoch left out of the Canon making up our Bible Books today. There are many direct Scriptures parallels with the rest of our Bible Books. And there are many brethren divided on the event about the giants in God's Word.