Moral absolutism as compared to the advancement of technology

Estrid · Jun 21, 2021

Bradskii said:
I'm not here to educate you in regard to evolution. I'm not sure you'd be interested in any case. But 'must be a change in the species' does not form part of the definition.

" change in species so the phyla (sic ) changes."

Dorothy Mae · Jun 21, 2021

Bradskii said:
Ah. So the creationists are uneducated and you are a mature educated believer. Who works in science (presumably accepting all the science connected with whatever branch you're in) but draws a line when that science conflicts with your beliefs.

Untrue. I haven’t met a science fact that conflicted. I have met ignorant believers in Christ and atheists alike. Many on both sides insist those who don’t agree with them are ignorant. Reject evolution and atheists will tell you the are don’t understand it (are ignorant.) Have you never talked to ignorant people? Is it because they don’t agree with you personally?

Dorothy Mae · Jun 21, 2021

Estrid said:
" change in species so the phyla (sic ) changes."

Not what I said.

Dorothy Mae · Jun 21, 2021

Estrid said:
The raving against what creationist think evolution is about
is so like a 5 yr old refusing unfamiliar food.

"I don't like it whatever it is"

Though the 5 yr old might at least want to find out
what it is.

Brad, see what I mean??? Do not accept the assumptions of evolution and to this person, your thinking is like a 5 year old. Didn’t have to wait long for an example.

Dorothy Mae · Jun 21, 2021

Bradskii said:
I'm not here to educate you in regard to evolution. I'm not sure you'd be interested in any case. But 'must be a change in the species' does not form part of the definition.

How did all living forms come into being without a single species changing over time such that it’s functions and form no longer fit the nomenclature of its ancestor?

Dorothy Mae · Jun 21, 2021

Taisho said:
Because humans are selfish, elitist in some ways, and really care only about advancement in self when compared to other humans.

You really think humans are moral? We kill and lie for fun. We judge each other based on clothes, politics, skin color and the way we walk. Humans are self-centered by default, and we abdicate our own intellect and decision-making for the sake of other human paradigms that don't have our interests at heart.

LOL

Humans are, at best, amoral according to our own standards. We like to pretend...

This describes some but by no means all if we look at history.

Bradskii · Jun 21, 2021

Dorothy Mae said:
How did all living forms come into being without a single species changing over time such that it’s functions and form no longer fit the nomenclature of its ancestor?

Evolution. But (yet again) the requirement for speciation is not part of the definition.

Dorothy Mae · Jun 21, 2021

Bradskii said:
Evolution. But (yet again) the requirement for speciation is not part of the definition.

What a species actually is is not well defined. But I’m curious, what do you say the requirement for speciation is? I’m genuinely curious. And you didn’t answer my question.

Bradskii · Jun 21, 2021

Dorothy Mae said:
What a species actually is is not well defined. But I’m curious, what do you say the requirement for speciation is? I’m genuinely curious. And you didn’t answer my question.

As I said, I'm not here to educate you about evolution. You're right it's not well defined. But I'm sure Google will do a better job than I can.

And the question was answered: Evolution.

Dorothy Mae · Jun 21, 2021

Bradskii said:
As I said, I'm not here to educate you about evolution. You're right it's not well defined. But I'm sure Google will do a better job than I can.

And the question was answered: Evolution.

No, google cannot define what man cannot define. And I guess whatever the question is on these matters, the answer is, evolution did it. The new god of the gaps! No need to understand, just say evolution did it!

You know Brad, it appears that you might not be able to educate me on evolution as you don’t seem to be able to explain it. I asked what speciation is and you answer evolution (did it.)

Bradskii · Jun 21, 2021

Dorothy Mae said:
No, google cannot define what man cannot define. And I guess whatever the question is on these matters, the answer is, evolution did it. The new god of the gaps! No need to understand, just say evolution did it!

You know Brad, it appears that you might not be able to educate me on evolution as you don’t seem to be able to explain it.

You'll find that a man (or a woman) has put various definitions of species up on the interweb and if you try you'll be able to find them.

And you're not interested in learning about evolution. Which is handy, because I'm not interested in teaching you.

Taisho · Jun 21, 2021

Dorothy Mae said:
This describes some but by no means all if we look at history.

One bad apple spoils the entire bunch...

People usually forget that last part, or completely ignore it. Of course we like to think we are not selfish, self-centered, arrogant and vile creatures because that hurts our fragile egos, and it convicts us to think about ourselves in a critical way - which is painful for people who are not forced to confront themselves on a consistent basis.

We wake up every day and know there are a myriad of people who are less fortunate than us, we ignore the fact that massive amounts of people are being tortured, murdered, raped, or abused at this second, we ignore the fact that tens of thousands of people find life on this plane of existence so bad that they decide to murder themselves rather than "seek help". We continue down our own selfish paths with rose-tinted glasses, and then we admonish and reject people who have the audacity to tell us.

We have the audacity to behave as if our success was our own, or that others' "failures" are their own. We are 7.5 billion strong, and somehow the vast majority of us feel alone. And, that is just the present, or history (seconds ago).

We lie for fun.
We judge others based on skin color.
We judge others based on the clothes they wear.
We murder.
We revile people who we do not agree with.
We ignore the significant trauma and tragedy in the world and pretend blue skies and flowers equates to "so much beauty in the world".
We seek attention and recognition at the expense of others.
We blame others for their less-fortunate positions.
We worship humans that only seek to commodify us and profit off of us.
We scoff at anything that makes us feel uncomfortable, or challenges our fundamental thinking.

And that is just being nice. The internet is a place where people can deliver their true personality - what is in their heart - without much accountability (or, with a lot of anonymity). People who let other people manipulate and abuse other people are just as evil as the ones who abuse; we romanticize our evil too much, which is why we are so easily exploited and we repeat our ignorant mistakes every century.

Dorothy Mae · Jun 21, 2021

Taisho said:
One bad apple spoils the entire bunch...

People usually forget that last part, or completely ignore it. Of course we like to think we are not selfish, self-centered, arrogant and vile creatures because that hurts our fragile egos, and it convicts us to think about ourselves in a critical way - which is painful for people who are not forced to confront themselves on a consistent basis.

We wake up every day and know there are a myriad of people who are less fortunate than us, we ignore the fact that massive amounts of people are being tortured, murdered, raped, or abused at this second, we ignore the fact that tens of thousands of people find life on this plane of existence so bad that they decide to murder themselves rather than "seek help". We continue down our own selfish paths with rose-tinted glasses, and then we admonish and reject people who have the audacity to tell us.

We have the audacity to behave as if our success was our own, or that others' "failures" are their own. We are 7.5 billion strong, and somehow the vast majority of us feel alone. And, that is just the present, or history (seconds ago).

We lie for fun.
We judge others based on skin color.
We judge others based on the clothes they wear.
We murder.
We revile people who we do not agree with.
We ignore the significant trauma and tragedy in the world and pretend blue skies and flowers equates to "so much beauty in the world".
We seek attention and recognition at the expense of others.
We blame others for their less-fortunate positions.
We worship humans that only seek to commodify us and profit off of us.
We scoff at anything that makes us feel uncomfortable, or challenges our fundamental thinking.

And that is just being nice. The internet is a place where people can deliver their true personality - what is in their heart - without much accountability (or, with a lot of anonymity). People who let other people manipulate and abuse other people are just as evil as the ones who abuse; we romanticize our evil too much, which is why we are so easily exploited and we repeat our ignorant mistakes every century.

We are not apples. But I have picked out bad apples from a bunch and the rest were fine, by the way.

This is too long to answer in detail so the short answer is still that your words simply do not describe everyone. There are examples in history who were not as you describe.

I can also add that the world view Jesus has brings tremendous balance to both the suffering of others and thankfulness for ones life.

Dorothy Mae · Jun 21, 2021

Bradskii said:
You'll find that a man (or a woman) has put various definitions of species up on the interweb and if you try you'll be able to find them.

Since I’m talking with you not them, it’s irrelevant what various people have offered up. I’d be interested in your view since I find your words quite interesting.

And you're not interested in learning about evolution. Which is handy, because I'm not interested in teaching you.

I didn’t say that. I said you don’t seem to be able to explain it. Even in the above you ask me to read what various people have said on a related subject but will not offer your own words. That’s an indication that you cannot explain it. No shame. Lots of people who choose to believe evolution cannot explain it. Probably the majority come to think of it.

Bradskii · Jun 21, 2021

Dorothy Mae said:
Since I’m talking with you not them, it’s irrelevant what various people have offered up. I’d be interested in your view since I find your words quite interesting.

I didn’t say that. I said you don’t seem to be able to explain it. Even in the above you ask me to read what various people have said on a related subject but will not offer your own words. That’s an indication that you cannot explain it. No shame. Lots of people who choose to believe evolution cannot explain it. Probably the majority come to think of it.

Species: a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding. The species is the principal natural taxonomic unit, ranking below a genus and denoted by a Latin binomial, e.g. Homo sapiens.

Estrid · Jun 21, 2021

Taisho said:
One bad apple spoils the entire bunch...

People usually forget that last part, or completely ignore it. Of course we like to think we are not selfish, self-centered, arrogant and vile creatures because that hurts our fragile egos, and it convicts us to think about ourselves in a critical way - which is painful for people who are not forced to confront themselves on a consistent basis.

We wake up every day and know there are a myriad of people who are less fortunate than us, we ignore the fact that massive amounts of people are being tortured, murdered, raped, or abused at this second, we ignore the fact that tens of thousands of people find life on this plane of existence so bad that they decide to murder themselves rather than "seek help". We continue down our own selfish paths with rose-tinted glasses, and then we admonish and reject people who have the audacity to tell us.

We have the audacity to behave as if our success was our own, or that others' "failures" are their own. We are 7.5 billion strong, and somehow the vast majority of us feel alone. And, that is just the present, or history (seconds ago).

We lie for fun.
We judge others based on skin color.
We judge others based on the clothes they wear.
We murder.
We revile people who we do not agree with.
We ignore the significant trauma and tragedy in the world and pretend blue skies and flowers equates to "so much beauty in the world".
We seek attention and recognition at the expense of others.
We blame others for their less-fortunate positions.
We worship humans that only seek to commodify us and profit off of us.
We scoff at anything that makes us feel uncomfortable, or challenges our fundamental thinking.

And that is just being nice. The internet is a place where people can deliver their true personality - what is in their heart - without much accountability (or, with a lot of anonymity). People who let other people manipulate and abuse other people are just as evil as the ones who abuse; we romanticize our evil too much, which is why we are so easily exploited and we repeat our ignorant mistakes every century.

Su ch a dark view.

Ken-1122 · Jun 21, 2021

Taisho said:
One bad apple spoils the entire bunch...

People usually forget that last part, or completely ignore it. Of course we like to think we are not selfish, self-centered, arrogant and vile creatures because that hurts our fragile egos, and it convicts us to think about ourselves in a critical way - which is painful for people who are not forced to confront themselves on a consistent basis.

We wake up every day and know there are a myriad of people who are less fortunate than us, we ignore the fact that massive amounts of people are being tortured, murdered, raped, or abused at this second, we ignore the fact that tens of thousands of people find life on this plane of existence so bad that they decide to murder themselves rather than "seek help". We continue down our own selfish paths with rose-tinted glasses, and then we admonish and reject people who have the audacity to tell us.

We have the audacity to behave as if our success was our own, or that others' "failures" are their own. We are 7.5 billion strong, and somehow the vast majority of us feel alone. And, that is just the present, or history (seconds ago).

We lie for fun.
We judge others based on skin color.
We judge others based on the clothes they wear.
We murder.
We revile people who we do not agree with.
We ignore the significant trauma and tragedy in the world and pretend blue skies and flowers equates to "so much beauty in the world".
We seek attention and recognition at the expense of others.
We blame others for their less-fortunate positions.
We worship humans that only seek to commodify us and profit off of us.
We scoff at anything that makes us feel uncomfortable, or challenges our fundamental thinking.

Who is this "WE" that you speak of? It definitely isn't me. Anybody you know?

Dorothy Mae · Jun 21, 2021

Bradskii said:
Species: a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding. The species is the principal natural taxonomic unit, ranking below a genus and denoted by a Latin binomial, e.g. Homo sapiens.

Different species can interbreed as well so that is not a defining mark as it is limiting. "Similar individuals" also describes different genus such as Equus which is a genus of horses, donkeys and zebras who are a group of similar individuals. To say it is a taxanomical rank below genus is not saying anything at all about what it is.

Bradskii · Jun 21, 2021

Dorothy Mae said:
Different species can interbreed as well so that is not a defining mark as it is limiting. "Similar individuals" also describes different genus such as Equus which is a genus of horses, donkeys and zebras who are a group of similar individuals. To say it is a taxanomical rank below genus is not saying anything at all about what it is.

You wanted to know something about evolution and specifically speciation (which you incorrectly thought was a requirement for evolution) and so I relunctantly gave you one definition. Reluctantly I say? Yeah, because you weren't looking for information. You could have looked it up yourself. You were looking for an argument. Well, what a surprise that was!

Now all of a sudden you're an expert on speciation. And you've spent some time looking up information on wiki so that you can...well, I've no idea what your intentions are. How about you tell me so you don't waste more of my time.

Dorothy Mae · Jun 22, 2021

Bradskii said:
You wanted to know something about evolution and specifically speciation (which you incorrectly thought was a requirement for evolution) and so I relunctantly gave you one definition. Reluctantly I say? Yeah, because you weren't looking for information. You could have looked it up yourself. You were looking for an argument. Well, what a surprise that was!

Now all of a sudden you're an expert on speciation. And you've spent some time looking up information on wiki so that you can...well, I've no idea what your intentions are. How about you tell me so you don't waste more of my time.

I have heard scientists bemoan the fact that we really cannot define what a species is so I seem to know more about this and looked into deeper than you have who could only google an incorrect description. I did not merely look it on wiki.

Speciation I did look up and the written definition is this:
Speciation is how a new kind of plant or animal species is created. Speciation occurs when a group within a species separates from other members of its species and develops its own unique characteristics.

How can you say that this is not a part of the evolutionary theory? How can all life forms have evolved from one kind only and not see that speciation is the last link in new life forms evolving? It is not clear to me how you can believe all life forms developed from the same one and no new kings of plants or animals species were created. Do you think this does not happen?

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