CAN YOU LOSE YOUR SALVATION AND ETERNAL LIFE?

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Paul proclaims it here...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

You think that was Paul's own words?

Paul was quoting OT Scripture concerning the Lord's words. Paul was not speaking from himself.

Paul was quoting Jeremiah 31:33.
 
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I am trying to understand, for myself, why you hold the doctrine you hold.

I am not implying you are unclear about what you believe in, if that is what you got out of it.

That is not what I got from your post. You told me what I think and then proceeded to tell me why I think it. You have no idea who I am or why I think what I do and why. Maybe English is not your first language (I see you list Singapore as your country) or maybe you are just not very good at communicating what you actually mean ... either way, you can't tell me how my thinking is organised. Had you asked me if I start from the axiom "salvation is not future" and is that why I interpret James the way I do? It would have been a completely different response from me. I would have gladly shared my reasoning. But as it stands now you leave me cautious of interacting with you further.
 
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Maybe English is not your first language (I see you list Singapore as your country) or maybe you are just not very good at communicating what you actually mean ..


I was thinking that may very well be the actual problem also...

If he found some good solid Bible teaching over time it might clear up.
 
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That is not what I got from your post. You told me what I think and then proceeded to tell me why I think it. You have no idea who I am or why I think what I do and why. Maybe English is not your first language (I see you list Singapore as your country) or maybe you are just not very good at communicating what you actually mean ... either way, you can't tell me how my thinking is organised. Had you asked me if I start from the axiom "salvation is not future" and is that why I interpret James the way I do? It would have been a completely different response from me. I would have gladly shared my reasoning. But as it stands now you leave me cautious of interacting with you further.

As I already stated, you cannot control how others choose to respond to your postings, or how they make assumptions about what you are thinking.

If they don't reply in a manner that makes you glad or make assumptions about you, you just have to suck it up. People do that to me all the time here. =)
 
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As I already stated, you cannot control how others choose to respond to your postings, or how they make assumptions about what you are thinking.

If they don't reply in a manner that makes you glad or make assumptions about you, you just have to suck it up. People do that to me all the time here. =)
I think you might have a communication problem in the English language. Its nothing to be ashamed of as long as we realize that is what is going on. Otherwise, it makes you appear like you wish to introduce confusion. I think you really want to understand God's Word, but need to realize the problem in communication you are causing for yourself. I used to work for a famous German chef who told me the problems and embarrassments he caused himself while learning to speak better English.
 
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You have not answered my question. Do you know what is the Body of Christ, the meaning of that term?

Here is a clue, every time you quote from Romans to Philemon, Paul is referring to the Body of Christ. Every time Paul mention the term Israel, it refers to the nation Israel.

Whenever you quote Peter James and John in their letters to the church, they are referring to Israel, and not the Body of Christ.

To put it simply, the Body of Christ, where there is neither Jew nor gentile, is a mystery that was only revealed to Paul, our apostle.

There was no need as your question started with a faulty premise which is why I provided the scriptures showing that God's true Israel under the new covenant are all those who believe and follow what God's Word. This is God's true Church. Therefore, under the new covenant Gods' Israel (the Church) are all those not born of the flesh of the old covenant, but all those who are now born of the Spirit to believe and follow Gods' Word under the new covenant (see post # 699). Truly truly I say unto you unless a man is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of Heaven *John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:10-12.
 
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If you had answered my question instead of answering a question with a question we would both know how and why you don't equate salvation with eternal life.

Please go ahead and tell us how one can be saved yet not know God.



Nurse! Nurse!.... Stop what you are doing immediately!

You are needed in ward 5!


And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more
in knowledge and depth of insight."
Phlpns 1:9


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Nurse! Nurse!.... Stop what you are doing immediately!

You are needed in ward 5!


And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more
in knowledge and depth of insight."
Phlpns 1:9


..........​

Don't worry mate. I used to work with horses. I know a dead one when I see one. ;)
 
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Does it really matter who wrote Hebrews or does it matter that we believe and follow what the scriptures say because they are Gods' Word?

It does matter when someone exposes himself by not knowing what he is talking about.

And, it also exposes those who come to his defense.
 
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There was no need as your question started with a faulty premise which is why I provided the scriptures showing that God's true Israel under the new covenant are all those who believe and follow what God's Word. This is God's true Church. Therefore, under the new covenant Gods' Israel (the Church) are all those not born of the flesh of the old covenant, but all those who are now born of the Spirit to believe and follow Gods' Word under the new covenant (see post # 699). Truly truly I say unto you unless a man is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of Heaven *John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:10-12.

when you said the following

God's true Israel under the new covenant are all those who believe and follow what God's Word. This is God's true Church.

Can you see that you are assuming that the Body of Christ and true Israel are equivalent terms?
 
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We would not be strangers when walking in truth in the Spirit's filling. I am not a stranger with various people from all over this world who know the Word of God well. They do not confuse things like you have been consistently doing...


We are commanded to "test the spirits."

So.. Yes, we can help how we respond to another.
bye....

You are free to have your different opinions, bye.
 
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Well the crown of life is not the crown of death and God's reward for his people is eternal life not life then death and it is not called the crown of life for nothing as the life offered to God's people after the second coming is eternal according to the scriptures.

Where in the Bible does it reveal a "crown of death."

Crown of life is a reward. Eternal life is where rewards will be received.

You can lose your rewards...

Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid.
Prov 12:1


Hating correction is a sure sign rewards will not be granted.

For each and everyone of us do need to be corrected along the way, in order to stay in the Way.

Peter and Paul have examples of needing major corrections recorded in the Bible. So, if they needed corrections, we all so!
 
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when you said the following
Can you see that you are assuming that the Body of Christ and true Israel are equivalent terms?
No, I did not assume anything. I only posted scripture which are God's Word not mine that shows that Gods' true Israel born of the Spirit according to the promise and not of the flesh is the body of Christ (the Church) in post # 699. What was it in the scriptures provided that you did not believe?
 
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No, I did not assume anything. I only posted scripture that shows that Gods' true Israel is the body of Christ (the Church) in post # 699. What was it in the scriptures provided that you did not believe?

But there is nothing in those scripture that stated that the Body of Christ is true Israel.

Its because you already begin with that axiom, and thus you interpret them as such.

If you disagree, just state 1 or 2 out of that list, and explain clearly how they say the Body of Christ is true Israel

Here is my argument and the scripture I used

True Israel/Israel of God (Galatians 6:16) refers to the little flock out of the nation Israel that believe, those that are pastored by James the brother of Jesus, at the end of Acts.

They continue to stay zealous to the Law of Moses, even after they believed in Christ as their Messiah (Acts 21:18-25, James 2:24-26).

The rest of the nation Israel has fallen in disbelief (Acts 7:51, Romans 11:1-5)

As a result of the fall of the nation of Israel, salvation without the Law of Moses (Romans 4:5), is now open to everyone, Jew and gentiles, thru Paul's gospel of grace (Romans 11:11).

All Jews and gentiles who thus believe in Paul's gospel, found in 1 Cor 15:1-4, are now in the Body of Christ, where there is neither Jew nor gentile.

But the Body of Christ is not the same as the little flock. They are 2 separate groups of believers.
 
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But there is nothing in those scripture that stated that the Body of Christ is true Israel. Its because you already begin with that axiom, and thus you interpret them as such. If you disagree, just state 1 or 2 out of that list, and explain clearly how they say the Body of Christ is true Israel

Sure there is here which is a detailed scripture response showing who God's Israel is under the new covenant. If you disagree show why you disagree from the scriptures. According to the scriptures, if we are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in Gods' new covenant promise (Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27. Gentiles are now grafted in, in place of unbelieving Jews *Romans 11:13-27. The body of Christ is the Church (Romans 12:5,1 Corinthians 12:12–27, Ephesians 3:6, 4:15–16 and 5:23, Colossians 1:18 and 1:24). The Church of Christ are all those who believe and follow God's Word. The Church of Christ is Gods' Israel and God's Israel in the new covenant are no longer those who are born of the flesh but all those who are now born of the Spirit according to the promise (Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29; Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13; Ephesians 2:11-13). If you would like a detailed scripture study on who God's Israel is in the new covenant you can look here linked. Once you go to the linked post perhaps you can tell me what is it in the scriptures shared with you that you do not believe?
 
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