Bigotry comes with a price...

timothyu · Apr 16, 2021

jgarden said:
Apparently conservative Christians are willing to "bend over backwards" when it comes to making excuses for Trump BUT when it comes to the Clinton's its "LOCK HER UP"

Interesting how it applies to both sides of the fence using the same strategies thus making the same types of accusations. Man cannot claim they are different by continually acting in the same way. That is why God condemns man for continually create division among self rather than the Biblical suggestion that we smarten up and see the division between the Kingdom and it's opposing culture, the world that man has made in our own image.

jgarden · Apr 16, 2021

JimR-OCDS said:
According to Catholic Church's teaching, "Although homosexuality may not be a choice, the act is."

I do believe that homosexual orientation isn't a choice. I believe gay males are in fact born with a hormone deficiency that causes them to be attracted to other males. I also believe that that hormone deficiency took place in the womb of their mother's. It's not genetic, but rather the result of the mother going through some stress or other event in her life which takes the testosterone from the fetus for her own body. The end result is that the child is born with a testosterone deficiency. I base this on a scientific study on gay males that I read years ago. It did not include female lesbians in the study.

That being said, the act is a choice and as all sin, it's the willful act of committing a sin, knowing fully and with free intent that it is a grave offense against God.

Does this mean homosexuals must live a celibate life ? I don't know, that's above my pay grade.

However, like all of us sinners, we must throw ourselves at the mercy and forgiveness of God and not take his mercy for granted.

Apparently "re-creating God in their own image" is an acquired skill in fine art of religious "cherry picking" - at which conservative Christians excel!

One would be wrong for assuming that worldwide COVID-19 Pandemic with 560,000 related deaths and the unprecedented number of major political, economic and social crises qualify as priorities on conservative Christian's "to-do-list!"

Apparently God is being glorified on earth through the introduction of voter suppression legislation, laws banning the transsexual takeover of woman's sports and widespread "election fraud" associated with providing food and drink to those in a voting lines!

timothyu · Apr 16, 2021

jgarden said:
Apparently a worldwide COVID-19 Pandemic with its 560,000 related deaths and the unprecedented number of major political, economic and social crises aren't priorities on conservative American's "to-do-list" - providing food and drink to those in an election line and banning transsexuals from woman's sports takes "center stage!"

Well at least they are partaking in their own kingdom and not claiming they represent another Kingdom but love acting in the ways of man.

Aldebaran · Apr 16, 2021

jgarden said:
A worldwide COVID-19 Pandemic with 560,000 related deaths and the unprecedented number of major political, economic and social crises fail to qualify priorities on conservative Christian's "to-do-list" - voter suppression legislation and the banning transsexuals from woman's sports takes "center stage!"

Yeah, that's why Trump started up Operation Warp Speed, because Covid 19 "failed to qualify as a priority".

Toro · Apr 16, 2021

Wow..... no wonder Trump went into real estate and became a mogul.

He lives rent free in the heads of so many people these days.

Like him or hate him... he is only still haunting your dreams or nightmares cause you allow him to......

.... I can see it now.... parents that so loathe Trump in years to come will tell their children tales that all end with Trump being the boogie man.

"If you go in the bathroom, log into twitter on your phone, turn out the lights, look in the mirror and say "MAGA" 3 times....Trump will come through the mirror by way of your twitter feed and getcha".

IF I werent in a world sucked into the madness of those unable to let go of the hate and those idolizing the man... Id be quite amused.

IF you HATE Trump so much and cant let go.
Remember, you let Trump drag you to hell. Matthew 6:15 Mark 11:26

IF you idolize Trump and view him as savior. Well then, don't call yourself a Christian if you follow Trump, for you can not serve two masters.

tryphena rose · Apr 16, 2021

public hermit said:
"...and still claim to be a Christian..." You are the one who makes all judgments of who is in and who is out, I see.

I am not God, nor do I think I am, and that is wrong of you to speak false witness against me. The scriptures say to test the fruit of every person who claims to be a believer. Jesus said "Ye shall know them by their fruits." in Matthew 7:16

Not every person who claims to be a Christian, is. Not everyone who thinks they are pleasing God, are. This is all Biblical and nothing I stated goes against what God's Word states. I didn't say you aren't truly a Christian, as that isn't for me to say. I don't know your heart, only the Lord does. All I simply said was you claim to be one, which is indeed true. But I question your fruit and nothing is wrong with that.

tryphena rose · Apr 16, 2021

A_Thinker said:
How much worse cold anyone do ... than the Catholic Church clergy, or Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Ted Haggard, Bill Gothard, Carl Lentz, Ravi Zacharias, or Jerry Falwell Jr ???

I'm unaware of many of the people you listed here but I can say that Carl Lentz, Ravi Zacharias and the many of the Catholic Church clergy are totally wrong. Many of these people have been exposed for being hypocrites and leading double lives while still getting up every week and preaching the word of God. And I'm sure God's judgement rests upon them. I don't really see why you bring this up if I'm defending the church at large to someone who is making broad statements in putting the entire church down. You hand-pick a few bad eggs to also try to make a claim against the church at large. The church has done tons of good in this world and has advanced God's kingdom just as He knew it would. All I'm saying is more edification and less putting down would help the church way more. But putting down the church as believer seems to be a growing trend.

The Bible warns very clearly of wolves in sheep's clothing, so I'm not surprised when people used God's word and deceive people into thinking their Godly, when they are in fact doing the work of the devil.

public hermit · Apr 16, 2021

tryphena rose said:
But I question your fruit and nothing is wrong with that

Well, I certainly appreciate you taking time to think about me. One can only hope for as much.

tryphena rose · Apr 16, 2021

A_Thinker said:
Homosexuals are quite aware of the antipathy for them in the churches.

That's why they tend to steer clear of them. If we were broader in our outrage, we would likely also be as effective in keeping fornicators, adulterers, liars, mischief-makers, etc. away from the church as well ...

"Outrage" - we're not even told to be angry, as Jesus equates that with murder in one's heart. I don't agree with Christians who hate homosexuals for being homosexual. Because we're not to hate anyone, but to love them. I don't agree that a Christian should go up to a transgender in church and tell them you don't belong here, which I've seen stories of. I would say Christians who do this have a heart problem, and need to bring that before the Lord and humble themselves. So you can try to keep pinning me into a corner to reveal some hypocrisy you think I have, but I try my best to be consistent with the Gospel in which I believe.

Homosexuals are a minority. Most people still do steer clear of churches just because they don't want to be told they'll go to hell if they don't repent of their sins and trust in the risen savior. Truth is churches are in decline because the world continues to grow in secular culture and as a result people indulge in their sins because they think there's no consequences for their actions in this life. We shouldn't be afraid to call sin out for what is it. And I reiterate, ALL sins.

People need to be told the truth, otherwise how will they know they walk in darkness? "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." John 3:20

tryphena rose · Apr 16, 2021

A_Thinker said:
Why are you equating "sharing God's Good News" ... with condoning sin ?

Jesus said that it's the Holy Spirit's job to convict the world of sin. He, Himself, didn't come to judge, ... but to save.

John 16

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

It's our job to reach out to those whose hearts have been so convicted ... so as to be welcoming of the gospel.

I'm not. I said she seemed like she was condoning sin in her posts.

Jesus never said to go out and wait for those who are convicted to come to you so you can share with them the Gospel. The apostles didn't do that. They just went out and preached openly. We're to go out into the world in faith and plant seeds, in hopes that some will grow big and beautiful fruit while also recognizing that many may not. To witness is to go out in faith, even if you are hated in the process. Even if you are rejected and despised and an unbeliever seeks to take your life for the truth you believe in. This is what the Lord told His servants to do. Jesus and the Holy Spirit does most of the work, yes. We're just the messengers. But God uses His messengers in very mighty ways.

tryphena rose · Apr 16, 2021

public hermit said:
Well, I certainly appreciate you taking time to think about me. One can only hope for as much.

There's no need to be sarcastic and respond emotionally. I'm sorry if I offended you, but I only take part in these discussions because I felt it important. I'd like for this to end on a good note.

God bless you sister.

public hermit · Apr 16, 2021

tryphena rose said:
There's no need to be sarcastic and respond emotionally. I'm sorry if I offended you, but I only take part in these discussions because I felt it important. I'd like for this to end on a good note.

God bless you sister.

I was being sincere. I wasn't offended by your assessment of me. I was showing my appreciation for the thought. You know, do like the Hebrews, take what is of value and leave the rest.

tryphena rose · Apr 16, 2021

public hermit said:
I was being sincere. I wasn't offended by your assessment of me. I was showing my appreciation for the thought. You know, do like the Hebrews, take what is of value and leave the rest.

Then I read into it wrong, my apologies.

jgarden · Apr 16, 2021

timothyu said:
Well at least they are partaking in their own kingdom and not claiming they represent another Kingdom but love acting in the ways of man.

While researching for another thread, I recently discovered that the common denominator for the most prominent Nazi leaders during WW2 was that they come from strict, conservative Christian families!

Apparently their biographies state that they all considered themselves to be Christians - in fact only 1.5% of Germans responding to the 1939 Census were "atheists!"

The real shocker was that both Hitler and Stalin, two of the greatest mass murderers in the history of mankind, attended Catholic and Orthodox Christian seminaries respectively, during their formative, adolescent years!

Each appears to gave been a willing participant, that would included membership in the seminary choir - in fact it was reported that there were times when Stalin acted as director!

For his part, in his youth Hitler was attracted to Church rituals and at one time had actually considered entering the priesthood!

Fast forward to find parallels in the 21st C - perhaps the explanation for the conservative Christian "cult-like" attraction and loyalty to Donald Trump, who appears to embody the very antithesis of everything they claim to believe, rests with strict religious households instilling an attraction to strong, authoritarian figures!

The conservative mindset is predisposed to view the world in terms of "black and white" - "democracy," a much more nuanced concept, operates in areas with "shades of gray," whereby the responsibility for making decisions shifts from the leader to that of the individual!

GenemZ · Apr 16, 2021

Guinan said:
The majority of these Christians faithfully supported and stubbornly defended a twice divorced thrice married womanizing adulterer.

Why are you bringing King David into this?

Guinan · Apr 16, 2021

genez said:
Why are you bringing King David into this?

Why are you purposely omitting the majority of my post in an attempt to create a false equivalence?

The majority of these Christians faithfully supported and stubbornly defended a twice divorced thrice married womanizing adulterer. The fact of the matter is, any conservative Christian who has supported Trump for the last 5 years has lost the credibility to lecture other people about morality or pompously judge LGBTQ and other people for their sins against God. They're either totally oblivious to the blatant moral inconsistency or they don't care. Honestly, it's not surprising that they're being called bigots and self-righteous hypocrites by a lot of non-Christians. After all, it's clearly stated in the Bible, "Do not be misled: 'Bad company corrupts good character.'" (1 Cor. 15:33). They shouldn't be surprised whenever their preaching against homosexuality (or their rants about Democrats) is rejected by other people.

NBB · Apr 16, 2021

Guinan said:
Why are you purposely omitting the majority of my post in an attempt to create a false equivalence?

The majority of these Christians faithfully supported and stubbornly defended a twice divorced thrice married womanizing adulterer. The fact of the matter is, any conservative Christian who has supported Trump for the last 5 years has lost the credibility to lecture other people about morality or pompously judge LGBTQ and other people for their sins against God. They're either totally oblivious to the blatant moral inconsistency or they don't care. Honestly, it's not surprising that they're being called bigots and self-righteous hypocrites by a lot of non-Christians. After all, it's clearly stated in the Bible, "Do not be misled: 'Bad company corrupts good character.'" (1 Cor. 15:33). They shouldn't be surprised whenever their preaching against homosexuality (or their rants about Democrats) is rejected by other people.

The bible preachs against homosexuality not only 'some christians' also, adulterers and thiefs are not trying to teach kids and everyone how good all that is and that we accept their behaviour.

GenemZ · Apr 16, 2021

Guinan said:
Why are you purposely omitting the majority of my post in an attempt to create a false equivalence?

I said it... To show how some people will judge...... There are believers that harshly judge King David for similar reasons.... Did you know that?

King David was even worse than Trump.. Both were wealthy and had multiple wives and committed adultery.

But, Trump never murdered. David did.

iarwain · Apr 16, 2021

There's an argument here that since, as Christians, we are supposed to be detached from the world. Therefore we should let the LGBTQs do as they will, and not meddle in it.

One problem is that parents want to raise their children in as healthy an environment as possible. LGBTQs are one of several forces at work that want to weaken or destroy the traditional family, and destroy the traditional Judeo-Christian values that the US was founded on (imperfectly).

If we could only restore the health of the family unit in the US, it would solve a host of problems that we're now facing. If our children are raised without these values, their chance for leading successful, happy lives decrease dramatically. Besides which, they are the future leaders, so that doesn't bode well for the future of the country, or the church either.

timothyu · Apr 16, 2021

iarwain said:
several forces at work that want to weaken or destroy the traditional family, and destroy the traditional Judeo-Christian values that the US was founded on

Within their own community or for everyone?

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