Black violence against Asians continues

Aldebaran said:

You say "in culture", but whose culture are you referring to? It's never the black culture you talk about, even though that's who we're talking about committing the actual crimes. Black advocates like to talk about how black culture is so different and how we need to be accepting of it in society, and yet when they commit violence, then it's white culture that gets the blame by people like yourself. When you do that, you are clearly not willing to "hold them equally accountable for their crimes".

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Culture is not always racial, in fact it'd more often be ethnic or national in nature.

Black people can have multiple cultural influences, same as white people, no one is saying otherwise, but to act like there isn't a prejudice inherent in aspects of American culture through its history, including and up to today, is more naivete and myopia masquerading as being "equal" (which was literally used to justify segregation for a century and slavery for centuries before that, equality of the races in their "natural" state)

Pretty sure I didn't say it was white culture, white supremacist cultural influences are not purely pushed by white people, you're still equivocating, it's more than a bit obtuse and even intentionally playing dumb at this point, like you aren't learning even a picometer.

They can have responsibility and still be conditioned in a way that can make them do bad things, this isn't remotely exclusive to black people, you're trying to apply this incident to all black people, which would be outright racist. I'm saying he doesn't exist in a vacuum, there are cultural and social influences on him, same as anyone and thus his culpability in either of these is going to factor in his state of mind (mens rea, legally speaking).

But apart from the legal aspect, we have to have to confront the possibility that he didn't necessarily do this because of any black culture, which I'm not the one using as a blame, because it's not monolithic anymore than "white culture" (which really isn't a thing beyond a shared prejudiced against non whites and more an ideology than a culture anyway, so not something every white person has, technically <before you try to accuse me of racism again with a dishonest characterization of what I said>), but because of cultural influences that favor white people, but also can condition non white people to be submissive and internalize racism against other non white people, including their own race (black people thinking that other black people who don't behave the right way are bad, encouraging more prejudices that are not from some black cultural idea, but an American culture that normalizes whiteness in behavior and even appearance)

Aldebaran said:

I wish you would stop that double-talk.
If you're not talking about one form, then you're generalizing.

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Then you should understand I'm talking about systemic racism: clear enough now? I'm not accusing any white person of being explicitly or maliciously racist.

My family in West TN has experience in regards to the urban problems that disproportionately affect non white people, that doesn't mean they aren't potentially enabling some issues.

They have black friends, they're in West TN, that doesn't mean they aren't encouraging stereotypes or biases that are harmful in some form or fashion, similar to gender and sex norms that also harm minorities.

Aldebaran said:

Then lets get specific:
Phillip Adams, a black former NFL player shot and killed 5 people including 2 children. Adams was black, and his victims all white:

"The York County coroner’s office said Dr. Robert Lesslie, 70, and his wife, Barbara Lesslie, 69, were pronounced dead at the scene along with grandchildren Adah Lesslie, 9, and Noah Lesslie, 5." Who is Phillip Adams, former NFL player accused of South Carolina mass shooting?

Now, are you going to automatically assume that this a "white privilege" or "systematic racism" problem, or something "white" about society that you can pin this event on? Or will you acknowledge that this guy has lived a pretty good life himself with a career that most people could only dream of having?
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Pretty sure I'm not ascribing direct responsibility of systemic racism to every crime, that's you grossly misrepresenting me, yet again. And in the isolated incident you want to cherry pick for your example, you're also strawmanning me, so of course I'm going to agree in principle this wasn't a matter of white supremacy, it's certainly not the sole problem by any means.

America is not #1 in much of anything of worth, just those issues that we refuse to actually confront, like a broken prison system, a shrinking middle class alongside growing proto fascist and nationalist sentiments that play into xenophobia and racism that are encouraged by America's historically white dominant society

Aldebaran said:

Not a single word about the people this guy killed, including the 2 young children who were only 5 and 9 years old? Just more crap about America being a "historically white dominant society"?

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Way to misdirect and act like someone killing children is somehow deserving of being treated like a lesser human being who has no chance of being rehabilitated. I'm not excusing his actions, you legitimately are obfuscating and talking past me consistently.

America has many problems and if you'd actually read my last post, you'd see it was not all race relations at all. Try again

Aldebaran said:

Excusing his actions is exactly what you did once again.
People who murder children (and their parents/grandparents) are to be treated as a lesser human being. That's why they need to be in prison.

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Imprisonment does not mean remotely anything like treating them as if they aren't deserving of compassion and an attempt to rehabilitate. Prison is not meant to just keep someone that's a danger to society away from society, that is a functional aspect of it, never said otherwise in the idea that they should be imprisoned, but the end goal is not just to treat them like a child in time out.

You focus far more on the punishment than the redemptive aspect, which I find hilarious when you're supposed to be from a religion that emphasizes that constantly, forgiveness 70x7 and all that, yet here you are talking about how they deserve to basically suffer and that will make them change their ways rather than just reinforce negative behaviors, psychologically speaking.

Aldebaran said:

I'm not the one this guy needs to seek forgiveness from. It wasn't my entire family he murdered.

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*facepalm* I'm not bothering anymore, you aren't even trying to read what I post in any charitable light, but always find something to criticize even if it isn't there. I didn't claim you needed to forgive him, the fact that I need to qualify that means this conversation is pointless, because you're not putting in any genuine effort

Aldebaran said:

Race relations are hurt when the media chooses who to demonize and who to give a pass to.

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I haven't seen "the media" demonizing anybody when it comes to attacks on Asian-Americans. I don't think that's what most legitimate news media are interested in.

Given the human tendency to look for scapegoats to vent ones frustration on, it's not surprising that some of the attacks on Asian-Americans come from African-Americans. Asian-Americans have unfortunately suffered under the aura of COVID-19 and Trump's associating the virus with "China", ignorant of the long history in the western hemisphere of associating all people of Asian descent with that country.

ViaCrucis said:

Apparently the people who just days ago were saying there was no violence against Asians happening have now decided that it is happening, because now we can blame black people.

As an observer of human behavior, I gotta be real honest, this kind of doublethink fascinates me.

-CryptoLutheran

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It's definitely a tangled web.

Aldebaran said:

Are you kidding? It's the first thing they're interested in. "Black man shot by white cop" sound familiar to you? But when attacks are done by blacks against Asians, then the color of the attacker isn't mentioned in the media report. But then the narrative (as you yourself illustrate below) still ends up being to demonize white people, even when the attackers are black, as if white people are somehow responsible for the actions of blacks. The message there being that white people are responsible for what people of other people do, or people of other races just can't hold to as high of standard as whites. Either one is a racist view, and the media has a lock on both.

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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/york-city-police-arrest-man-separate-attacks-asian/story?id=76941690

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/york-city-police-arrest-man-separate-attacks-asian/story?id=76941690

Same suspect arrested in 3 hate crime attacks on Asian New Yorkers

Just a few examples don’t really prove anything I know, but your whining is misplaced. They were just the first few I found. But there is very little, if any, difference in the reporting. Maybe you can point out some stories of white people attacking Asians in the street that are treated differently in the media?

BLM activist arrested for anti-Asian hate crime in Seattle

It's indictment of the US media that we need the British press to learn the facts about what is going on in out own country...

Jimmy D said:

Maybe you can point out some stories of white people attacking Asians in the street that are treated differently in the media?

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For that you'd have to find a story of white people attacking Asians in the street...

SoldierOfTheKing said:

BLM activist arrested for anti-Asian hate crime in Seattle

It's indictment of the US media that we need the British press to learn the facts about what is going on in out own country...



For that you'd have to find a story of white people attacking Asians in the street...

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Who confirmed that he was a BLM activist?
Postmillennial[.]com?

Your confirmation bias is showing.

His own social media posts confirm that.

SoldierOfTheKing said:

His own social media posts confirm that.

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Oh okay. You’ve seen them then?