The inhabitants of the Millennial Kingdom

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"The Bible also teaches that unbelievers will not be allowed to enter the millennial kingdom."

This is false. The millennial kingdom is world wide and the whole point of this period of time is to rule over the nations and they are all unbelievers when the thousand years begin.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth (PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.


Here rule/poimaino is in the FUTURE tense meaning it will happen at some point AFTER the second coming and battle of Armageddon while treadeth/pateo is written in the PRESENT tense meaning it is happening during this second coming. The treading and smiting are happening at Armageddon but not the ruling which proves mortals will be alive after Armageddon is over. This proves the Premill position because indeed there is a future rule of people who were not slain during the second coming that Christ and his saints will rule over.


A second witness to this:

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

That is the second coming. Everything we read of next comes after the second coming:

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

After "the end" comes, there is given power over the nations to those that are overcomers which naturally includes those who "are alive and remain" at the second coming. They will be given power over the mortal unsaved nations after Christ has returned not before it.

Rev 2:27 And he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

After the second coming and after "the end" will the overcomers be given power over the nations, ruling them with a rod of iron. That proves the rod of iron rule over the nations for a thousand years does not even start until Christ has returned and has given overcomers this power to rule over the nations.
 
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This is false. The millennial kingdom is world wide and the whole point of this period of time is to rule over the nations and they are all unbelievers when the thousand years begin.

I thought this too. But what about in Matthew at Christ's second coming where He divides the sheep and the goats?
 
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I thought this too. But what about in Matthew at Christ's second coming where He divides the sheep and the goats?

That happens after the thousand years at the GWTJ:

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
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"The Bible also teaches that unbelievers will not be allowed to enter the millennial kingdom."

This is false. The millennial kingdom is world wide and the whole point of this period of time is to rule over the nations and they are all unbelievers when the thousand years begin.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite (Aorist tense verb with PRESENT tense meaning) the nations: and he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth (PRESENT tense verb) the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.


Here rule/poimaino is in the FUTURE tense meaning it will happen at some point AFTER the second coming and battle of Armageddon while treadeth/pateo is written in the PRESENT tense meaning it is happening during this second coming. The treading and smiting are happening at Armageddon but not the ruling which proves mortals will be alive after Armageddon is over. This proves the Premill position because indeed there is a future rule of people who were not slain during the second coming that Christ and his saints will rule over.


A second witness to this:

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

That is the second coming. Everything we read of next comes after the second coming:

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

After "the end" comes, there is given power over the nations to those that are overcomers which naturally includes those who "are alive and remain" at the second coming. They will be given power over the mortal unsaved nations after Christ has returned not before it.

Rev 2:27 And he shall rule (FUTURE tense verb) them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

After the second coming and after "the end" will the overcomers be given power over the nations, ruling them with a rod of iron. That proves the rod of iron rule over the nations for a thousand years does not even start until Christ has returned and has given overcomers this power to rule over the nations.

Who then are Gog and Magog who overrun your so-called future millennium as the sand of the sea?
 
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Who then are Gog and Magog who overrun your so-called future millennium as the sand of the sea?

That's the final conflict, I believe. Fire reigns down from heaven and destroys them all. Then GWTJ.
 
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That's the final conflict, I believe. Fire reigns down from heaven and destroys them all. Then GWTJ.

Who are they? Where do they come from? What qualifies them to avoid the destruction upon the wicked when Jesus comes? What qualifies them to inherit your millennial kingdom?
 
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Who are they? Where do they come from? What qualifies them to avoid the destruction upon the wicked when Jesus comes? What qualifies them to inherit your millennial kingdom?

They come from those righteous ones that survived the great Tribulation. Their bodies will not become glorified, they will have an enlarged lifespan. In the Millenial Kingdom which they enter upon Christ's return, they will have the ability to procreate as we have now. Their lifespans will increase to 1000 years. Anyone who dies at 100 will be accursed for their unbelief. The children from these Tribulation survivors will repopulate the earth and it is their children who will have to choose to accept Christ or deny him, subsequently allying themselves to Satan. They will be born without glorified bodies. When Christ returns, I believe He will fulfill Matthew 25 and separate the sheep from the goats, casting the goats into outer darkness which may be either hell, the LOF, or a prison to hold them until the GWTJ after the final War of Gog and Magog whom Satan will rally, only to be destroyed by fire come down from heaven.

Think of how many children a couple can produce in a lifespan of 90 years and then multiply that by 11. Virtually 1000 years of baby making is possible for these people.

That's my apprehension of the theory. Make of it what you will. Feel free to poke holes in it if you can.
 
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They come from those righteous ones that survived the great Tribulation. Their bodies will not become glorified, they will have an enlarged lifespan. In the Millenial Kingdom which they enter upon Christ's return, they will have the ability to procreate as we have now. Their lifespans will increase to 1000 years. Anyone who dies at 100 will be accursed for their unbelief. The children from these Tribulation survivors will repopulate the earth and it is their children who will have to choose to accept Christ or deny him, subsequently allying themselves to Satan. They will be born without glorified bodies. When Christ returns, I believe He will fulfill Matthew 25 and separate the sheep from the goats, casting the goats into outer darkness which may be either hell, the LOF, or a prison to hold them until the GWTJ after the final War of Gog and Magog whom Satan will rally, only to be destroyed by fire come down from heaven.

Think of how many children a couple can produce in a lifespan of 90 years and then multiply that by 11. Virtually 1000 years of baby making is possible for these people.

That's my apprehension of the theory. Make of it what you will. Feel free to poke holes in it if you can.

Where do you get that?
 
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Where do you get that?

Through meticulous analysis of scripture. What's wrong with it? I trust you of all people would know how to deconstruct that which I have written. By all means.
 
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Through meticulous analysis of scripture. What's wrong with it? I trust you of all people would know how to deconstruct that which I have written. By all means.

Where does it say that "they come from those righteous ones that survived the great Tribulation" to populate a supposed future millennium? This doesn’t add up. The Bible says the righteouss are caught up and the wicked are destroyed when He comes.
 
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Through deduction one comes to this conclusion. Your issue is that you do not see the second coming and the catching up as two separate events.

Ok. So you have nothing. That is known as eisegesis.
 
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Okay. I guess that makes sense. So are you saying Matthew 25 is the same as Revelation 20?


Part of it matches the timeframe in part of Revelation 20, the GWTJ.
 
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Matthew 25:31 makes it pretty clear that Jesus does this separation at His second coming, not after the 1000 years. What do you think about Matt 25:31?

That's not his second coming to the Earth but his coming/arrival at the location where the GWTJ takes place because that doesn't take place on the Earth so Christ must travel there to be present.
 
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Who then are Gog and Magog who overrun your so-called future millennium as the sand of the sea?

They are part of the nations that were ruled over for a thousand years. They also don't overrun anything related to the Millennium as that time period is over before Satan is allowed to go to them and deceive them.
 
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They are part of the nations that were ruled over for a thousand years. They also don't overrun anything related to the Millennium as that time period is over before Satan is allowed to go to them and deceive them.

Who are these billions of religious phonies who switch their feigned allegiance from Christ to Satan in this so-called future millennium of bliss to a massive bust after 1000 years of watching Christ reigning in majesty and glory from Jerusalem?
 
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Destroying Premillennialism in less than ten minutes:


Revelation 20: Does your interpretation agree with all other scripture?

(Chronological or Recapitulation?) (Literal vs. Figurative?)

Based on the following scripture, will immortals and mortals both live on earth for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will there be renewed animal sacrifices in earthly Jerusalem for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will Christ conduct funeral services for mortals killed in accidents many years after His Second Coming? Graveyards needed?


Can the following questions be examined without ridicule, and condemnation, based on the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:18-24?


Can the number 1,000 be used in a symbolic manner? Psalm 50:10


Does an angel with a key come from heaven and open the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2? Why did the angel have to unlock the pit if it was not locked previously?
Who is the king of the angels in the bottomless pit found in Revelation 9:11?
Are some of the angels “bound” in some manner in Revelation 9:14?
If the beast comes up out of the pit in Revelation 11:7, where is the beast before then?


John sees “souls” at the beginning of Revelation chapter 20.
Are these the same “souls” found in Revelation 6:9-11?


Is the “first resurrection” in Revelation 20:5 the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation? (Rev. 11:11) Are there two different types of resurrections in John chapter 5?
John 5:24 (Spiritual) ? Were you dead, and now you are alive?
John 5:27-30 Christ describes the bodily resurrection and “hour” of judgment of “all” the dead.


Who is the “strong man” who is bound in Matthew 12:26-29?
How is Satan “bound” in Revelation 20:3?


How many mortals are left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46?


Isaiah 65:17-25? Are people really dying in verse 20? Context, Context, Context…
The New Heavens and New Earth are found at the beginning of the passage, and the end of the curse is found at the end of the passage.
What happens if verse 20 begins with a negative statement? "There will be no more..."


Was Paul expecting Christ to return "in flaming fire", taking vengeance on those who do not know God in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10? How would mortals survive this fire?
Does the fire come at the end of Revelation 20?


Did Paul expect both the living and the dead to be judged at the appearing of Christ, in 2 Timothy 4:1?
When is the judgment of the dead in Revelation 20? Is it the same judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18?


What is the restitution of all things at the return of Christ in Acts 3:20-21?
Will Christ's sacrifice at Calvary also reverse the curse, at His return?


Does death die at the last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15:50-55?


Why did Jesus correct the woman at the well when she said earthly Jerusalem was the place to worship? See John 4:20-24.
Why did Paul say the Jerusalem above is our “mother” in Galatians 4:24-31?
What is the inheritance of the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?


Is the third temple found in 1 Peter 2:4-10? Is this temple just as real as a temple made of earthly stones?
What was Peter expecting on the day of the Lord when He comes as a thief in 2 Peter 3:10-13?


Do we find the judgment of both the living and the dead at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, in Revelation 11:15-18? Why do most preachers ignore the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18? What does it prove about the chronology of the Book of Revelation?

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