What must I do to be saved?

Bible Highlighter · Feb 28, 2021

GraceInChrist said:
I want you to trust in Gods grace. Not to preach it is ok to sin. Far from it.

My authority is God and His Word. So you have no power or authority over me, my friend.

In fact, I trust in God's grace just fine.
No offense, but I don't think you fully grasp what Paul means when he says that God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12).

I say this because this is not my first rodeo in having these kinds of discussions. You want salvation to be in believing in the finished work of Christ alone and not in anything you do (even by God's power). This means that this makes room for a believer to think they can sin and still be saved on some level (even though this kind of teaching runs contrary to the teachings of Jesus and His followers). For if Belief Alone-ism is true, then I do not need to worry about Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, Matthew 19:17, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 9:62, Luke 10:25-28.

For even Revelation ends by saying this...

“Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.” (Revelation 22:14-15).

GraceInChrist · Feb 28, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
1 John 3:23 says, “And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.”

You are saying that 1 John 3:23 is the Law of Moses which Christ gave to Moses on Mount Sinai?
If so, then either...

(a) You really are not reading 1 John 3:23 correctly.
(b) You ignoring what it says.
(c) You have sought after some odd fringe interpretation on 1 John 3:23 that does not do justice to what it plainly says.

No command was given to Moses on Mt. Sinai to believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ and to love one another (i.e. to love the disciples) as he (Jesus) gave the followers of Christ as a commandment. Jesus and His disciples would have had to travel back in time and secretly give Moses this kind of command if such were the case.

Jesus gave us a command to believe in Him and to love one another (i.e. your fellow believers) as He (Jesus) gave us (His followers) commandment. This is a commandment that is unique to Jesus Christ and the New Covenant and it does not come from the Law of Moses. If you believe otherwise, I simply cannot help you to see what the Bible plainly says and you are only seeing what you want to see in the Bible.

The same can be said for Romans 8:1-2. Romans 8:2 mentions two laws. One is a New Covenant Law, and the other is the Old Covenant Law. By keeping the New Covenant Law it sets us free from the Old Covenant Law. The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus is a New Covenant Law and keeping it sets us free from the Law of sin and death (i.e. the 613 laws of Moses). The Law of Moses is called the Law of sin and death because if one did not keep certain laws in the Law of Moses, one could be stoned or killed. This is not the case for the commands that come from Jesus and His followers. God's people do not set out to stone people if they break the commands of Jesus.

What was the purpose of the commandments isn't to give instructions in how to love one another. If you truly love, you will follow the law. Nevertheless no one could fullfil that law. The commandments were not given as a curse, but as way to show us our moral failures. We need to abide in Gods grace and never go back to the law to be justified. We are enemies of God, we will always be unless we trust in his grace alone.
If you truly love God you would had never broken any of his commandments.

GraceInChrist · Feb 28, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
My authority is God and His Word. So you have no power or authority over me, my friend.

In fact, I trust in God's grace just fine.
No offense, but I don't think you fully grasp what Paul means when he says that God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12).

I say this because this is not my first rodeo in having these kinds of discussions. You want salvation to be in believing in the finished work of Christ alone and not in anything you do (even by God's power). This means that this makes room for a believer to think they can sin and still be saved on some level (even though this kind of teaching runs contrary to the teachings of Jesus and His followers). For if Belief Alone-ism is true, then I do not need to worry about Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, Matthew 19:17, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 9:62, Luke 10:25-28.

For even Revelation ends by saying this...

“Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.” (Revelation 22:14-15).

Matthew 25:31
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

You mean the judgement of the nations, this isnt the white throne of God. Look at his word, what you did to my brethren. Who are Jesus Christ brethren.

Matthew 12:46-50

King James Version

46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.

47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

The will of Father would be to believe in him.

John 6:39-40

King James Version

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

GraceInChrist · Feb 28, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
My authority is God and His Word. So you have no power or authority over me, my friend.

In fact, I trust in God's grace just fine.
No offense, but I don't think you fully grasp what Paul means when he says that God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12).

I say this because this is not my first rodeo in having these kinds of discussions. You want salvation to be in believing in the finished work of Christ alone and not in anything you do (even by God's power). This means that this makes room for a believer to think they can sin and still be saved on some level (even though this kind of teaching runs contrary to the teachings of Jesus and His followers). For if Belief Alone-ism is true, then I do not need to worry about Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, Matthew 19:17, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 9:62, Luke 10:25-28.

For even Revelation ends by saying this...

“Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.” (Revelation 22:14-15).

Remember his words, no one is good but God.

Luke 18:19
“And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.”

also we need to read

Matthew 19
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

No one could be saved, this was the whole point of Jesus preaching. But for God and his grace there is nothing imposible.

GraceInChrist · Feb 28, 2021

GraceInChrist said:
What was the purpose of the commandments isn't to give instructions in how to love one another. If you truly love, you will follow the law. Nevertheless no one could fullfil that law. The commandments were not given as a curse, but as way to show us our moral failures. We need to avide in Gods grace and not going back to the law to be justified.
If you truly love God you would had never broken any of his commandments.

The works of righteousness were always about love, we cannot be saved by them.

Isaiah 64:6

King James Version

6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

GraceInChrist · Feb 28, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
My authority is God and His Word. So you have no power or authority over me, my friend.

In fact, I trust in God's grace just fine.
No offense, but I don't think you fully grasp what Paul means when he says that God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12).

I say this because this is not my first rodeo in having these kinds of discussions. You want salvation to be in believing in the finished work of Christ alone and not in anything you do (even by God's power). This means that this makes room for a believer to think they can sin and still be saved on some level (even though this kind of teaching runs contrary to the teachings of Jesus and His followers). For if Belief Alone-ism is true, then I do not need to worry about Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, Matthew 19:17, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 9:62, Luke 10:25-28.

For even Revelation ends by saying this...

“Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.” (Revelation 22:14-15).

1 Corinthians 6:11
8Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 28, 2021

GraceInChrist said:
What was the purpose of the commandments isn't to give instructions in how to love one another. If you truly love, you will follow the law. Nevertheless no one could fullfil that law. The commandments were not given as a curse, but as way to show us our moral failures. We need to abide in Gods grace and never go back to the law to be justified. We are enemies of God, we will always be unless we trust in his grace alone.
If you truly love God you would had never broken any of his commandments.

You need to back up these assertions with Scripture.
So far they are just your statements and or beliefs, and not actual Bible verses.

GraceInChrist · Feb 28, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
You need to back up these assertions with Scripture.
So far they are just your statements and or beliefs, and not actual Bible verses.

1 Timothy 1:9

King James Version

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

Romans 13
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Galatians 5:14
“For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.”

GraceInChrist · Feb 28, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
You need to back up these assertions with Scripture.
So far they are just your statements and or beliefs, and not actual Bible verses.

Do you really have to ask why God gave us the commandments? Why do you think, to bother us with mindless work. Or to teach us how to love. No one is justified by their since no one is good. This is why by grace and faith alone, God become a curse to pay our transgresions towards others and God himself. This way God is just and merciful.

GraceInChrist · Feb 28, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
You need to back up these assertions with Scripture.
So far they are just your statements and or beliefs, and not actual Bible verses.

If love your neighbor, wouldnt you be marvel in Gods grace how he saved him even if he is not as "righteous as you think you are". But no. You wish to boast your works instead of asking for grace and forgiveness.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 28, 2021

GraceInChrist said:
Matthew 25:31
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

You mean the judgement of the nations, this isnt the white throne of God. Look at his word, what you did to my brethren. Who are Jesus Christ brethren.

Nations are made up of individuals. So that really does not help you.
In addition, there is only one judgment.
For it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this, the judgment (Hebrews 9:27).
Besides, Luke 10:25-37 teaches this same truth. Jesus agreed with the lawyer that to love God and to love your neighbor is a part of inheriting eternal life (Luke 10:25-28). The lawyer (in doubt in keeping God's laws) asked who was his neighbor. Jesus gave him the parable of the good Samaritan which is a story about loving the poor and beat up guy on the side of the road with one's loving actions so as to help them (Luke 10:29-37). This is a part of eternal life because Jesus agreed with the lawyer that to love your neighbor is a part of inheriting eternal life.

You said:
Matthew 12:46-50

King James Version

46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.

47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

The will of Father would be to believe in him.

The will of God is not only believing in God, but it is sanctification and holy living, as well.
For it is written:

“For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:” (1 Thessalonians 4:3) (KJB).

“For this is God's will--your purity of life, that you abstain from fornication;” (1 Thessalonians 4:3) (Weymouth New Testament).

“God’s will is for you to be holy, so stay away from all sexual sin.” (1 Thessalonians 4:3) (NLT).

You said:
John 6:39-40

King James Version

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

I already addressed this passage in post #92, and you did not really offer any counter rebuttal that undid what the text plainly says.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 28, 2021

GraceInChrist said:
Do you really have to ask why God gave us the commandments? Why do you think, to bother us with mindless work. Or to teach us how to love. No one is justified by their since no one is good. This is why by grace and faith alone, God become a curse to pay our transgresions towards others and God himself. This way God is just and merciful.

Maybe you need to correct Jesus, for the Lord thought there were good men. For Jesus said,

“A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.” (Luke 6:45).

The apostle Paul said,

“Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” (2 Corinthians 7:1).

How can we cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit and perfect holiness in the fear of God if things are as you say? The short answer is we can't. So I either believe you, or I believe the apostle Paul. However, I am going with the apostle Paul on this one.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 28, 2021

GraceInChrist said:
Remember his words, no one is good but God.

Luke 18:19
“And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.”

You fail to understand that only God can make a person good. You fail to understand that it is God who does the good works through a believer so as to make them good. It was not by their own power.

“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:13).

“I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.” (John 15:5).

You said:
also we need to read

Matthew 19
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

No one could be saved, this was the whole point of Jesus preaching. But for God and his grace there is nothing imposible.

If you were to keep reading towards the end of Matthew 19, you would see that the point was not a sin and still be saved type belief, but the point was denying ourselves by forsaking people and or things to follow Jesus.

For Jesus said:
“And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.” (Matthew 19:29).

Note: For the disciples case, this was a part of inheriting everlasting life (But this was not the case with Zacchaeus, see Luke 19:1-10). Anways, Matthew 19:29 is the conclusion of Matthew 19. No mention of a sin and still be saved type belief here all because we have a belief alone in Jesus.

GraceInChrist · Feb 28, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
Maybe you need to correct Jesus, for the Lord thought there were good men. For Jesus said,

“A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.” (Luke 6:45).

The apostle Paul said,

“Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” (2 Corinthians 7:1).

How can we cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit and perfect holiness in the fear of God if things are as you say? The short answer is we can't. So I either believe you, or I believe the apostle Paul. However, I am going with the apostle Paul on this one.

By his blood alone we are clean.

Hebrews 9
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Revelation 5:9

King James Version

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

we are redeemed by his blood. Not our works that are dead in trespasses.

GraceInChrist · Feb 28, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
You fail to understand that only God can make a person good. You fail to understand that it is God who does the good works through a believer so as to make them good. It was not by their own power.

“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:13).

“I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.” (John 15:5).

If you were to keep reading towards the end of Matthew 19, you would see that the point was not a sin and still be saved type belief, but the point was denying ourselves by forsaking people and or things to follow Jesus.

For Jesus said:
“And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.” (Matthew 19:29).

Note: Again, this is the conclusion of Matthew 19. No mention of a sin and still be saved type belief here all because we have a belief alone in Jesus.

You are failing to understand how much of a sinner you are still are. How you words reject the grace that could saved you. You have not admited you are sinner and in need of a savior. You have not repented of your dead works, but you are rejoicing in them.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 28, 2021

GraceInChrist said:
The works of righteousness were always about love, we cannot be saved by them.

Isaiah 64:6

King James Version

6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

You are quoting this verse out of context.

Verse 5 says,

“Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.” (Isaiah 64:5).

God meets the person who rejoice and works righteousness. But because the people of Israel had sinned, God is angry.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 28, 2021

GraceInChrist said:
1 Corinthians 6:11
8Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

You fail to understand that they were living that way before they came to Christ, and they were sanctified and washed by the Spirit of our God (i.e. the Holy Spirit) in their conduct. The Holy Spirit will help to sanctify and wash our lives from living sinfully. That is why Paul says “Be not deceived,” and why Paul says, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?” (1 Corinthians 6:9). He is saying if anyone lives that way, they will not inherit the kingdom of God. Just read Revelation 22:14-15. It's at the end of your Bible.

GraceInChrist · Feb 28, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
You are quoting this verse out of context.

Verse 5 says,

“Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.” (Isaiah 64:5).

God meets the person who rejoice and works righteousness. But because the people of Israel had sinned, God is angry.

If it was taken out of context. Why do Jesus says, no one is good only God. No one is justified by the flesh.

Bible Highlighter · Feb 28, 2021

GraceInChrist said:
If love your neighbor, wouldnt you be marvel in Gods grace how he saved him even if he is not as "righteous as you think you are". But no. You wish to boast your works instead of asking for grace and forgiveness.

False accusations does not make your belief true. I don't believe I do any good works. I believe any good work I do it is God doing the good work through me. I am nothing in and of myself alone. God alone is good.

GraceInChrist · Feb 28, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
You fail to understand that they were living that way before they came to Christ, and they were sanctified and washed by the Spirit of our God (i.e. the Holy Spirit) in their conduct. The Holy Spirit will help to sanctify and wash our lives from living sinfully. That is why Paul says “Be not deceived,” and why Paul says, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?” (1 Corinthians 6:9). He is saying if anyone lives that way, they will not inherit the kingdom of God. Just read Revelation 22:14-15. It's at the end of your Bible.

His blood is the one that clean us.
Galatians 5

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

What must I do to be saved?

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