Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

BNR32FAN said:

Yeah that was in before the flood so that’s irrelevant now since I just showed that He told Noah after the flood that he can eat anything that moves.

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You didn't.

See my responses following.

imge said:

That would have God contradicting Himself in Leviticus. That doesn't seem plausible so maybe Genesis 9:3 means something else. We also have this Isaiah 66:16 "They that sanctify themselves and purify themselves in the garden, behind the tree in the midst. Eating swine's flesh and the abomination and the mouse, Shall be consumed together, saith the Lord." In other words, those who eat those things that God clearly condemns are an abomination.

If you keep reading in Genesis 9:3 the very next word after "green herbs" is "but." 4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood. 5 Surely for your lifeblood I will demand a reckoning; from the hand of every beast I will require it, and from the hand of man. From the hand of every man’s brother I will require the life of man.


So God is saying, "But I've got something else to tell you about what you ought to eat." From there, He says we shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood. So on one hand, He's saying, I'm giving you everything. But on the other He's saying, but there are some things that I know you're not supposed to eat, and so I'm going to tell you about those things.

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Sister, don't worry, here is the meaning of what God said to Noah:

"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." --Genesis 9:3

ONLY CERTAIN KINDS OF PLANTS ARE TO BE EATEN BY MAN

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." --Genesis 1:29

BUT EVERY GREEN PLANT IS TO BE EATEN BY ANIMALS

"And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so." --Genesis 1:30

ONLY CERTAIN KINDS OF ANIMALS ARE CLEAN

"Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female." --Genesis 7:2

NOAH SACRIFICED ONLY THE CLEAN ANIMALS

"And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar." --Genesis 8:20

ONLY AFTER THE CLEAN ANIMALS WERE ROASTED DID GOD COMMAND NOAH EAT FLESH LIKE HE DID THE GREEN HERBS--BY THE PRESCRIPTION OF GOD

"And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat." --Genesis 8:20-9:4

Therefore, not all plants are consumable, according to God, nor all animals, but only that which God has deemed as food can be consumed, period.

BNR32FAN said:

No there’s no contradiction it was simply a change in His commandment. Leviticus has nothing to do with Noah. There are no scriptures where Noah was commanded to observe the Mosaic dietary laws. Noah was originally told that he was to eat fruits & vegetables. He was not told that he could eat any meat until Genesis 9. God simply changed His commandment.

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Not at all.

See my posts following.

Religiot said:

Christ calls, what you erroneously refer to as the 'old testament', the scriptures, and so does Paul, etc.

The scriptures still stand, and will stand, otherwise, heaven and earth will pass.

(Old Testament means Old Covenant, not the scriptures, period.)

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The Old Covenant is ended.
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MMXX said:

I've given you my honest appraisal. Since you and a couple of other SDA members sounded so much alike regarding interpretation, it was a forgone conclusion you were all reading from the same docternal script.

If you're instead going by your own personal Bible study, then I'm dealing with a "lone ranger" who's dead set on his own personal interpretation and isn't going to be willing to consider other views.

Now I've discussed various scriptures such as Acts 15 (in particular verses 20 and 29) and Mark 7:19 etc. Others have discussed those and several other scriptures, so it seems to me that you're the one who's not being honest in claiming that I and others have refused to discuss scripture.

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Not really dear friend. You have been provided scripture that disagrees with your teachings and in response all your able to do is to try and change the subject matter to something that is not relevant to the conversation of the scriptures we have been talking about and when asked questions to your claims in regards to scripture are unable to answer them.

Seriously you want to discuss the clean and unclean food laws and you do not even know what kosher is and how it relates to Acts 15 and the old testament food laws of not eating meat with the blood in it. You then tried to argue Mark 7:19 disregarding context and subject matter which is to the traditions of men and not washing of hands, pots and cups and nothing to do with the clean and unclean food laws and also disregarded the target audience who were Jews and Pharisees who were all practicing the clean and unclean food laws as was Jesus *Matthew 5:17.

The clean and unclean food laws are not even discussed in Mark 7. Then you tried to cherry pick a single scripture verse in Mark 7:19 to argue things that you were shown are not even in the Greek as to "Jesus declared all foods clean". So tell me are you serious about wanting to know God's Word?

I am not reading from any doctrinal script. Why are you being dishonest in this regard? I have told you from the start the scriptures I have shared with you are from my own prayerful personal time in God's Word. All I have wanted to discuss here is God's Word. You on the other hands want to discuss anything else but God's Word. I can understand why. Until you want to discuss the scriptures with me we will have to agree to disagree.

Don't tell me I have not considered other views when I have challenged and gone through every view presented here in this thread and have been able to show through the scriptures alone that what people think their proof text scriptures are saying once context is added back in is not saying what they are claiming they are saying.

Now what have you got to offer. If you have scripture prove me wrong. If you cannot why try and attack the messenger? None of the scriptures you or others have provided here prove your position and every scripture you have provided once context has been added has been shown to be a false interpretation and application to clean and unclean food laws. If you have scripture prove your claims. If you don't then what do you have to support your view? Nothing.

prodromos said:

I am not a Jew.

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Sorry to hear that.

I strongly recommend you consider becoming one:

"Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews." --John 4:22

"For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." --Romans 2:25-29

LoveGodsWord said:

Nonsense.

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I'm done with this. God bless.

1an said:

The Old Covenant is ended.
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Yes it is, praise Jesus.

bbbbbbb said:

That is very curious to me because your fellow SDA's here at CF are quite insistent that God requires everyone everywhere at all times to obey THE TEN COMMANDMENTS and no others. What makes you think that God requires you to keep all of His Sabbath commandments?

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SDA doctrine.

prodromos said:

Acts 10:9-16

The next day, as they were on their journey and coming near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. And he became hungry and desired something to eat; but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance and saw the heaven opened, and something descending, like a great sheet, let down by four corners upon the earth. In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air. And there came a voice to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” But Peter said, “No, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.” And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has cleansed, you must not call common.” This happened three times, and the thing was taken up at once to heaven.​

To quote Fr Stephen De Young
"The thrust of this passage is to communicate to St. Peter that the Gentiles are no longer considered unclean, and that he can go into Cornelius’ home, and the Apostles in general can go to the Gentiles, without concern of becoming unclean through contact with Gentiles. For this imagery to work and this message to be communicated, however, the core principle, that God has now made these animals, and the Gentiles, clean has to be true. The change here is not to the status of the commandments, but to the unclean status of the Gentiles and the various animals.
Why Don't Christians Keep Kosher? - The Whole Counsel Blog

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Amazing: this completely ignores that Cornelius was a God fearing man, who gave much alms, and fasted, and prayed to God always, etc.

Cornelius feared God, and was devout!

He wasn't some swine eating heathen, living like he wanted to, but actually feared the one true God, the God of the Jews...

I'm just impressed at how such simple facts are overlooked... ...truly, and by the most educated! --nothing new under the sun, nothing new. ...

prodromos said:

As usual, it isn't.

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LOL!

I like you. --you should definitely consider being Jewish!

MMXX said:

SDA doctrine.

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Its actually called the bible and it has been shared with you. What is it in the bible and its scriptures that has been shared with you that you disagree with and why?

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

So Paul changed his mind?...

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If it had been a firm command from God, Paul wouldn't have been able to change his mind.
My belief is that, though we aren't told about it, the church's understanding changed and they came to realise that eating foods that had been "offered" to a bit of wood was not important, nor a Gospel/salvation issue.

bbbbbbb said:

I just enjoyed a pork chop sandwich this noon and an Iowa chop (a thick pork chop) for supper this evening. As my Jewish friend David says, "Pork is one of the really great gifts from God."

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Nothing like entering the conversation by mocking and scoffing: says a lot.

Strong in Him said:

Yet several years later even Paul was saying it was ok to eat meat offered to idols - so they can't have been binding commandments.

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Based on what I've read from scripture commentators, Gentiles were asked to abstain from meat offered to idols in Acts 15:20-29 to keep from offending Jewish Christians.

I believe this is reflected in 1 Corinthians 8:7-9

"7 However, there is not in everyone that knowledge; for some, with consciousness of the idol, until now eat it as a thing offered to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. 8 But food does not commend us to God; for neither if we eat are we the better, nor if we do not eat are we the worse.

9 But beware lest somehow this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to those who are weak"

The keyword being LIBERTY. Legalists don't care for liberty. Liberty makes them uncomfortable.

bbbbbbb said:

That is very curious to me because your fellow SDA's here at CF are quite insistent that God requires everyone everywhere at all times to obey THE TEN COMMANDMENTS and no others. What makes you think that God requires you to keep all of His Sabbath commandments?

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Off to a bad start...

I'm not SDA: just a quick glance at the screen would've told you that...

I hope you're not overlooking other easy-to-see facts in the same way, cause that would make my approach with you quite wasteful, seeing as I rely very heavily on posting what the bible says when responding to others.

1an said:

The Old Covenant is ended.
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Yes, the old covenant is indeed ended, and superseded by the new, Christ now the Administrator of God's laws.

Praise God.

For now, it is the covenant of grace, not death.

Religiot said:

Sorry to hear that.

I strongly recommend you consider becoming one:

"Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews." --John 4:22

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Jesus said this to a Samaritan. I am not a Samaritan.

Strong in Him said:

If it had been a firm command from God, Paul wouldn't have been able to change his mind.
My belief is that, though we aren't told about it, the church's understanding changed and they came to realise that eating foods that had been "offered" to a bit of wood was not important, nor a Gospel/salvation issue.

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Well it says "For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well."

It sounds like it is a firm command from God (Holy Spirit). And it is not new that Paul, to get coverts, would do anything as he said himself:

Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law, so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law, so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Well it says "For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well."

It sounds like it is a firm command from God (Holy Spirit). And it is not new that Paul, to get coverts, would do anything as he said himself:

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You really believe that that would have included breaking God's commands?
And that one day Paul will say to God, "I broke your law and disobeyed, but hey; I got people to believe in you"?

The same Holy Spirit who inspired the letter at the council of Jerusalem, was also with Paul, convicted him of sin, prevented him from doing things, Acts of the Apostles 16:7 and generally guided him in his life.
And yet Paul wrote that an idol meant nothing and that, as long as they didn't hurt the faith of anyone else, they were free to eat meat offered to it.