The constitution is about to be shredded some more.

Jaxxi · Feb 8, 2021

Sparagmos said:
There are numerous inaccuracies. I don’t think a single point is without gross exaggeration or error.

So Biden didn't halt the building of the wall? That is a gross exaggeration and inaccurate?

Sparagmos · Feb 8, 2021

Jaxxi said:
I am a Constitutionalist and sending home people in the National Guard because they are Republican and then lying about it and saying it was for a discrepancy in their background ( and discrepancy would have barred them from being in the National Guard in the first place) is a major red flag.

You said this, right?

Jaxxi said:
It wasn't my original statement.

And now you say it wasn’t your statement?

Jaxxi said:
How many of the 12 were Democrats?

. I don’t know. You said that they were sending people home because they were Republican. If that were true, they would have sent home all Republicans, but they didn’t. They sent home a teeny tiny percentage of Republicans. You also said they lied about the reason. Are you saying that the Trump appointed head of the national guard lied? What evidence do you have that he lied?

Sparagmos · Feb 8, 2021

Jaxxi said:
So Biden didn't halt the building of the wall? That is a gross exaggeration and inaccurate?

I didn’t say every sentence is gross exaggeration and inaccurate. Looks like you found one true statement! How about all the rest?

CyberPaladin · Feb 8, 2021

Albion said:
I think the reality was that these men were assumed to be Trump supporters after the secret police sorted through their social media accounts and etc. The injustice done them remains, even if we quibble over the details.

The reality is it was 12 people out of 25,000 that were sent home due to security concerns. One would have to reasonably assume it was alot more then seeming like you supported Trump.

12 National Guard Members Removed From Inauguration Duty, 2 for ‘Inappropriate' Posts

Sparagmos · Feb 8, 2021

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I looked back over our interaction and I’m not seeing where I picked a fight. This is a debate forum, and as with any debate you can expect to be challenged on your claims.

I noted that you were reacting to misinformation and gave you citated information that revealed the truth. As far as I can tell, when you realized that you were mistaken it made you upset and defensive.

Jaxxi · Feb 8, 2021

Sparagmos said:
I looked back over our interaction and I’m not seeing where I picked a fight. This is a debate forum, and as with any debate you can expect to be challenged on your claims.

I noted that you were reacting to misinformation and gave you citated information that revealed the truth. As far as I can tell, when you realized that you were mistaken it made you upset and defensive.

Defensive? I apologized when I saw that the original poster posted misinformation that I didnt check. If I stated that there were other reasons why they could have been discharged then obviously I was aware of the error on my part but your need to rub my nose in it for whatever reason is beyond me. Maybe it makes you feel better? Are you a Democrat? Because I am not a Republican. I just feel that any infringement on an Americans civil rights are reason for concern and I would feel the same way if it were because the National Guard were Democrats. That is my whole issue. Since that is not the case I stand corrected but only on this. I still feel that Biden's administration is looking at Republican Americans as Extremist Terrorists and that is unacceptable. Very unacceptable. Extremist Terrorists would have had serious casualties and done a lot more than break a couple windows. Wall Street Journal says
Biden Says Rioters Who Stormed Capitol Were Domestic Terrorists

Really? Terrorists?
Terrorist-a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Violence-behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

Broken windows is considered criminal damage on a pansy scale. How can you call unarmed protestors " terrorists"? That is reaching. I still feel a threat is coming and it is not from Republicans.

Sparagmos · Feb 8, 2021

Jaxxi said:
Defensive? I apologized when I saw that the original poster posted misinformation that I didnt check. If I stated that there were other reasons why they could have been discharged then obviously I was aware of the error on my part but your need to rub my nose in it for whatever reason is beyond me. Maybe it makes you feel better? Are you a Democrat? Because I am not a Republican. I just feel that any infringement on an Americans civil rights are reason for concern and I would feel the same way if it were because the National Guard were Democrats. That is my whole issue. Since that is not the case I stand corrected but only on this. I still feel that Biden's administration is looking at Republican Americans as Extremist Terrorists and that is unacceptable. Very unacceptable. Extremist Terrorists would have had serious casualties and done a lot more than break a couple windows. Wall Street Journal says
Biden Says Rioters Who Stormed Capitol Were Domestic Terrorists

Really? Terrorists?
Terrorist-a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Violence-behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

Broken windows is considered criminal damage on a pansy scale. How can you call unarmed protestors " terrorists"? That is reaching. I still feel a threat is coming and it is not from Republicans.

I must have missed the apology and standing corrected part. Okay then.

Jaxxi · Feb 9, 2021

Sparagmos said:
I must have missed the apology and standing corrected part. Okay then.

What does it matter anyways? That they weren't let go for being Republican? They shouldn't have been let go period. They were good enough to be IN the National Guard and they worked hard to be there, not to be publicly disgraced. It was a waste of personnel anyways so oh well.

seeking.IAM · Feb 9, 2021

Jaxxi said:
...They were good enough to be IN the National Guard and they worked hard to be there, not to be publicly disgraced...

It a person identifies with a hate group, I'm perfectly fine with them being publicly disgraced.

Isilwen · Feb 9, 2021

Jaxxi said:
They were good enough to be IN the National Guard and they worked hard to be there, not to be publicly disgraced.

Yes they did. They are also held or should be held to a higher standard than a civilian. As an EMT, I am held to a higher standard than a civilian. Same with firefighters and the police.

Guinan · Feb 9, 2021

Jaxxi said:
I am seeing facts here without fearmongering. Can anyone call Biden out for things that aren't in our best interest without ridicule? He is no saint.

Sparagmos said:
This is a debate forum, and as with any debate you can expect to be challenged on your claims.

What she said.

BNR32FAN · Feb 9, 2021

nolidad said:
This week will begin the completely unconstitutional Senate trial of former President Trump to remove him from office (which in case you have been sleeping, he has been gone from for 32 days now)

Whether one likes Trump or not, all should be greatly concerned at this open ended trashing of the constitution and destroying of a persons rights. why is this trial unconstitutional?

1. The Senate can only hold trial for removal and (not or) disqualification from future office. As Trump cannot be convicted to be removed from office- he cannot be barred from future office.

2. The Chief Justice of SCOTUS MUST preside over this trial. As Justice Roberts has refused, this banana court has no legality and is just a phony trial so that Shumer and his cronies on the left can get a vote from the right to use to cudgel them in the 20222 elections.

Other actions since January 6 that should gravely concern people.

1. Biden halted the border wall, while applauding a capitol wall. Attacking their cushy surroundings is more important than hundreds of thousands of illegals, some of which are notorious gang members from such murderous groups like MS -13 illegally entering our country.

2. Sending guard members home who were found to have voted republican.

3. Openly exposing people who voted fro Trump for ridicule.

4. Members of the left Publishing the donations of private citizens that have gotten them fired.

5. AOC openly lying about members of congress and lying about her life being threatened on Jan. 6 (she was in the cannon building and nowhere near the riot)

6. Supporting the BLM riots and murder while condemning the capitol assault where no guns were fires by protesters, or people beaten, or mauled. The fatalities were a rioter shot by police and the other four due to exacerbating health conditions. Thgis is not to justify the deaths, but to keep them in perspective as to how th eleft reacts to certain deaths being acceptable to them.

7. More an more politicians on the left as well as their lock step media and more college professors calling for "re-education" camps for the right, to get them to think properly.

This is a MArxist revolution without the enormous bloodshed.

Russia had the Marxist Socialists, Germany had the National Socialists, and now we have I guess we should call them, the American socialists.

Make no mistake, there is already gorwing rumblings about going after Bible believers as being outside "acceptable" religion.

There are many more but this should suffice for now!

After the purge of the right is done, they will come after Bible believing Bible preaching followers of our Savior as being against the New world Order!

Well I wish I could say that we can all rejoice because the antichrist is here but according to the scriptures the antichrist is supposed to be a very charismatic speaker so unfortunately Biden doesn’t fit the description. :sigh:

BNR32FAN · Feb 9, 2021

Jaxxi said:
I am seeing facts here without fearmongering. Can anyone call Biden out for things that aren't in our best interest without ridicule? He is no saint.

Well to this I have to say when was the last time America had a president who was a saint? I don’t think that’s ever happened in the history of the United States. I know for a fact it hasn’t at least in my lifetime.

nolidad · Feb 9, 2021

Hmm said:
You have no idea do you?

yes I do

nolidad · Feb 9, 2021

Isilwen said:
Nineteen actually, if you're trying to be accurate.

You are correct. Don't know why the sixth was my starting point.

nolidad · Feb 9, 2021

Guinan said:
Accuracy doesn't seem to be a concern in the OP, but fearmongering seems to be its primary focus.

People should be afraid.

Leftist politicians and media calling for "re-education camps"

The left forcing a GOP congress member out of their committee seats for things said "BEFORE" they even ran for office. This has never happened in congress before.

The left impeaching a private citizen who is no longer in office this week.

Appointing a left wing Senator as judge who already said he favors conviction! For a trial that is unconstitutional

Trying the man for protected political speech. Which their own side has used!

A publisher fired from an agency for giving a political donation to Trump.

Leftist big tech coordinating and removing discussion forum off the face of the earth! (Parler)

Should I go on?

nolidad · Feb 9, 2021

seeking.IAM said:
That is pretty tough to do in a country that has a secret ballot. I think you mean sending troops home who were aligned with right wing extremist groups (e.g. Proud Boys, etc.) But then why would you want to be constrained by facts?

Well it was reported on by even that leftist media CNN. It could have been simply if they were known as registered REpublicans, or were overheard saying they supported Trump. And no I heard no media reports about Guardsmen aligned with Poor Boys or tend to favor them. And those are the facts.

nolidad · Feb 9, 2021

BNR32FAN said:
Well to this I have to say when was the last time America had a president who was a saint? I don’t think that’s ever happened in the history of the United States. I know for a fact it hasn’t at least in my lifetime.

Let us face it. Trump was rude, crude and could get real nasty in going after someone.

But his policies did do good for America. Just one, if Trump hadn't gotten rid of the red tape and did not push big pharma to the max, Biden would not be talking about trying to have a million vaccines done a day! We would still be in research and maybe phase one trials.

Also given that he was not one of th eswamp creatures (both sides) He entered well hated by the establishment in Wash. D.C.

I would not want him for my pastor or teacher of my grandkids, but as a POTUS, he did a lot of good for America.

nolidad · Feb 9, 2021

BNR32FAN said:
Well I wish I could say that we can all rejoice because the antichrist is here but according to the scriptures the antichrist is supposed to be a very charismatic speaker so unfortunately Biden doesn’t fit the description.

I don't even consider Biden a candidate for the Antichrist. Just old, and held captive by the far left side of his wing.

nolidad · Feb 9, 2021

Sparagmos said:
That guy seems to want to replace red and blue with....Trump.

Not at all. I just want to see the Constitution upheld. But that is very unpopular these days.

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