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Being a spirit makes God the image of an amoeba? I see no reason why the outward image of man is not made in the image of God.
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Adam's Flesh Could Not Be Saved
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Nobody's arguing that THIS flesh is going to heaven or living forever on the new earth. That much is clear in the bible, but we are changed. It is a different spiritual body but it is a body, and our example is Jesus, who ate, and could be touched after His resurrection and ascended to Heaven in a cloud.
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The OP is denying the resurrection of the physical body.
We're saying that the body rises, transformed, immortal, and incorruptible.
What happened to Jesus is going to happen to us; as this is one of the most basic and central beliefs of the Christian religion.
A denial of bodily resurrection is as antithetical to Christianity as a denial of the existence of God.
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The matter of a disparate anthropology that that overly separates body and soul is more Greek that Christian. The ringing crescendo of John 1:14 kai ho logos sarx egeneto tends more to suggest that Jesus came to put us back together. If salvation is not for souls and bodies it makes little sense to suggest God became Flesh and tabernacled in our midst.
The virtue of the opening post is that it does flag for us the importance of not seeing the body as too important. None the less matter matters, it just isn't the only thing that matters.
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Not only is your post correct, but it is also stylistically beautiful. And I have always felt that what distinguishes the apostolic faith from heresies like Docetism is beauty.
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Will the resurrected body be flesh and blood? (1 Corinthians 15:50) Shall we eat, drink and defecate? Or will our mortal bodies be transformed (Philippians 3:21) and raised a spiritual body (1 Corinthians 15:42–44)
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Show me where. I dare you.
If you mean Lazarus and others, they were brought back to mortal life on earth, like Jesus at the resurrection, but then He was transformed into immortality and ascended into heaven. This is what we are talking about. Immortal life, in heaven, which is our final resting place.
Even the earth will pass away in time, but not the immortal.
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The OP also states that Adam and Eve were sin from the beginning because they were flesh...which of course is not true, Adam sinned while in spirit and flesh and caused sin to enter the world...your testimony in my view is true, I'm only pointing out another facet of the error of the OP.
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Yes, you are right. My mistake.
The Transfiguration
Mar 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
Mar 9:3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
Mar 9:5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mar 9:6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
Mar 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Mar 9:8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
Mar 9:9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.
I was thinking of the The Ascension
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
This is how it will be Mystery and Victory
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
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And what of the resurrected body? Does Christ still occupy resurrected flesh or is he disembodied spirit?
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About the transfiguration, I am reading this in Wikipedia and I shall use it when people argue about Saturday Sabbath. I shall say "No Jesus is the voice of God "par excellence", and not Moses or Elijah. Christ ended the law."
The transfiguration not only supports the identity of Jesus as the Son of God (as in his baptism), but the statement "listen to him", identifies him as the messenger and mouth-piece of God. The significance of this identification is enhanced by the presence of Elijah and Moses, for it indicates to the apostles that Jesus is the voice of God "par excellence", and instead of Moses or Elijah, representing the Law and the Prophets, he should be listened to, surpassing the laws of Moses by virtue of his divinity and filial relationship with God.
2 Peter 1:16–18, echoes the same message: at the Transfiguration God assigns to Jesus a special "honor and glory" and it is the turning point at which God exalts Jesus above all other powers in creation, and positions him as ruler and judge.
The transfiguration also echoes the teaching by Jesus (as in Matthew 22:32) that God is not "the God of the dead, but of the living". Although Moses had died and Elijah had been taken up to heaven centuries before (as in 2 Kings 2:11), they now live in the presence of the Son of God, implying that the same return to life applies to all who face death and have faith.
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The transfiguration not only supports the identity of Jesus as the Son of God (as in his baptism), but the statement "listen to him", identifies him as the messenger and mouth-piece of God. The significance of this identification is enhanced by the presence of Elijah and Moses, for it indicates to the apostles that Jesus is the voice of God "par excellence", and instead of Moses or Elijah, representing the Law and the Prophets, he should be listened to, surpassing the laws of Moses by virtue of his divinity and filial relationship with God.
2 Peter 1:16–18, echoes the same message: at the Transfiguration God assigns to Jesus a special "honor and glory" and it is the turning point at which God exalts Jesus above all other powers in creation, and positions him as ruler and judge.
The transfiguration also echoes the teaching by Jesus (as in Matthew 22:32) that God is not "the God of the dead, but of the living". Although Moses had died and Elijah had been taken up to heaven centuries before (as in 2 Kings 2:11), they now live in the presence of the Son of God, implying that the same return to life applies to all who face death and have faith.
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No, what Apostle Paul taught about the "spiritual body" is not Gnosticism.
In 1 Cor.15 Paul also called the resurrection body the "image of the heavenly".
He also plainly said in 1 Corinthians 15:50 that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither does corruption inherit incorruption. So instead of trying to make false associations with Gnosticism, why not read what Paul said in its simplicity.
And instead of just spewing out two verses in 1 Cor.15, try the whole Chapter which includes verses like this showing what kind of body Lord Jesus' flesh body eventually wound up being when He ascended and it was transfigured to the Heavenly...
1 Cor 15:45-49
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
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I never said the "spiritual body" Paul taught didn't have physical attributes. It's a heavenly body like the angels, which is what Lord Jesus told us in Matthew 22:30, and I believe Him. Per God's Word, like the angels are able to eat our food, live and walk upon this earth.
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That just shows the confusion watching too many Hollywood movies have brethren in.
Lord Jesus' flesh body was 'transfigured' to the Heavenly type body. He is not in a flesh body today sitting on the right hand of The Father. His Heavenly body retained the marks of His crucifixion, but it is no longer one of flesh. There is no flesh in Heaven. For what you're saying to be true, flesh and blood would have to be allowed in Heaven.
This is why Apostle Paul told us that the body of the resurrection is of the heavenly, the "image of the heavenly" in 1 Corinthians 15:49, and that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
But nor is the "spiritual body" a ghost either. That's where Hollywood has many deceived, because in Hebrews 13:2 we are told to be mindful to entertain strangers, because some have entertained angels unaware. That's not evidence of a ghost. The spiritual body is just another body we all have, but it's of that other dimension. Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 and Matthew 10:28 reveals this, so this is Bible 101, not Hollywood.
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Those Greek semantics don't work, because the KJV translators made it simple enough what 'kind'... of body Paul was speaking of...
1 Cor 15:44-50
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
The Greek for "natural" is referring to a carnal type, and the Greek for "spiritual" is referring to a non-carnal type body. It's simple.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
The Greek for "spirit" refers to same idea used in other NT Scripture about God's Spirit, man's spirit, and even an evil spirit. It's simply about the manifested image type of that other dimension of the heavenly. The soul we know is attached with it, because of Matthew 10:28.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
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Your dream doesn't fit what God's Word shows. If sin had not... entered in, there would have been no Salvation through Jesus Christ, for like Paul said, the Scriptures have concluded all under sin, so that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe (Galatians 3:22).
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