The double standard on "what the government tells me I have to wear"

mmksparbud · Jan 16, 2021

Zoii said:
I'm finding it incredulous you are comparing emergency pandemic control methods, with public dress ordinance... is it true the people of the USA don't get the difference? Is this why the pandemic has gotten so out of control there?

The rest of the world will have to excuse us for now---for the past 4 years we have been under the control of an orange toddler for a president. He does nothing that is remotely connected with decent behavior his entire life. He has always done as he pleased without any consequences to his actions and has grown up with the believe that everything he does is right and good. He has in fact said that he does not need the forgiveness of Jesus for he does no wrong. He has the "I am my own God syndrome" and unfortunately has passed his views onto to his ardent supporters who have come to view him as god on earth. It may take several years to cut through the enormous load of crap he has presented as gospel for years now. They have completely forgotten Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
God is currently trying to correct the situation.

Pommer · Jan 16, 2021

Zoii said:
I'm finding it incredulous you are comparing emergency pandemic control methods, with public dress ordinance... is it true the people of the USA don't get the difference? Is this why the pandemic has gotten so out of control there?

You’d think it would have a more noble root than “I don’t WANNA!” but here we are.

ThatRobGuy · Jan 16, 2021

Zoii said:
I'm finding it incredulous you are comparing emergency pandemic control methods, with public dress ordinance... is it true the people of the USA don't get the difference? Is this why the pandemic has gotten so out of control there?

No, I'm not attempting to compare the two at all.

I'm asking about the inconsistency of the mindset behind the people who oppose mask wearing on the grounds "the government doesn't have the right to make me wear something I don't want to when I'm in public"

...but then would likely be in strict opposition to a woman wanting to go topless (invoking the same reasoning), and have never made a peep about store polices like "no shirt, no shoes, no service" in the past.

Many people who are saying "the government shouldn't tell me I have to wear a mask" would likely have no issues with the government telling someone else they had to wear a shirt.

I'm on the side of mask wearing...

Perhaps you misunderstood the contexts of my posts.

DaisyDay · Jan 16, 2021

98cwitr said:
Pretty sure you know the answer on that without me going into grave details.

That you find women arousing/disgusting while other people find men to be so?

Ana the Ist · Jan 16, 2021

ThatRobGuy said:
Had an interesting conversation today with my uncle (who I consider to be pretty far right on the political spectrum), and he was on a tangent about "the government telling me I have to wear a mask in stores and out in public is unconstitutional!", and how "I shouldn't be forced to wear something I don't want to just to make others more comfortable!"

I then brought up to him, the fact that he, not even a year prior to mask mandates being introduced, was angry about the fact that in August/September 2019, women's rights organizations in several states won their legal challenge to allow women to go topless in any place a man can.

...their argument was basically the same as his "Why should the government force me to wear a piece of cloth over a particular part of my body when I don't want to, just to make someone else more comfortable?" (and there's not even any public health concerns in play with the latter, just people having their personal religious sensibilities offended)

Figured it'd be an interesting topic to discuss here.

For those who feel that "mask mandates are an infringement of my freedoms, I shouldn't have to wear something I don't want to for the sake of someone else, if they don't like it, they should just stay at home and not come around me", are you of the same position with regards to women's rights groups advocating for the ability to go top-free in any place a man can without any legal ramifications?

...and to take that even one step further, for those who are most ardently anti-mask and very vocal about it, why hasn't there ever been any widespread vocal complaints about "no shirt, no shoes, no service" policies many stores and restaurants have had in place for decades?

Can the government require the removal of turbans and hijabs in court or for security reasons?

ThatRobGuy · Jan 16, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
Can the government require the removal of turbans and hijabs in court or for security reasons?

I believe with the current rulings, they can't ban turbans and hijabs if worn for religious reasons in most cases (with the exception of security purposes). However, veils covering the face and burqas can be restricted for legal proceedings as well as required that the face be shown for official identification documents. It sounds like it's a mixed bag with regards to coverings that don't cover the face with regards to identification documents.

Zoii · Jan 16, 2021

ThatRobGuy said:
No, I'm not attempting to compare the two at all.

You say that - but then the rest of your answer, AND the OP, does make every attempt to place them in the same philosophical basket - and this is why you have so many issues in managing your pandemic. Dress ordinance and pandemic requirements are NOT in the same basket, and those who promote it as such are adding to a very serious problem in the USA, that frankly has gotten totally out of control.

ThatRobGuy · Jan 17, 2021

Zoii said:
You say that - but then the rest of your answer, AND the OP, does make every attempt to place them in the same philosophical basket - and this is why you have so many issues in managing your pandemic. Dress ordinance and pandemic requirements are NOT in the same basket, and those who promote it as such are adding to a very serious problem in the USA, that frankly has gotten totally out of control.

Again, I don't think you're understanding the context of my post.

My post was in regards to people who DO think that it's nothing more than just a government enforced dress code, so I'm asking them why, if they feel that way, they don't seem have a problem with other government enforced dress codes.

I'm on the pro-mask side of the debate and understand their importance as a preventative measure.

They're not in the same philosophical basket in my personal viewpoint...however, if an anti-mask person thinks "it's just a government dress code to control people", then the fact that they've been okay with other government dress codes would highlight a philosophical inconsistency on their part, and I'm attempting to get them to explain their inconsistency.

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