20 major reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine

keras said:

Can't you read? I said it will be a thermoluminescent reaction.
You are the science teacher [retired], you should know the difference.

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I did read your original statement where you said it would be a "Thermite" reaction.

Now you are changing your mind.

Yes, I do know the difference.

Any object heated hot enough to produce light is a thermoluminescent event. It is not necessarily a chemical reaction. A piece of steel heated red-hot is an example.

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BABerean2 said:

Any object heated hot enough to produce light is a thermoluminescent event. It is not necessarily a chemical reaction. A piece of steel heated red-hot is an example.

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Thanks.
I did correct myself quite a while ago. I was sure you had seen it.

A big Coronal Mass Ejection, a known possible event will literally fulfil all the things described to happen on the Lord's Day of fiery wrath.
Joel 2:31 and Revelation 6:12 both say the moon shining blood red will be one effect of the Lord sending fire. Amos 1, Psalms 11:4-5. Malachi 4:1

keras said:

Thanks.
I did correct myself quite a while ago. I was sure you had seen it.

A big Coronal Mass Ejection, a known possible event will literally fulfil all the things described to happen on the Lord's Day of fiery wrath.
Joel 2:31 and Revelation 6:12 both say the moon shining blood red will be one effect of the Lord sending fire. Amos 1, Psalms 11:4-5. Malachi 4:1

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A literal "big Coronal Mass Ejection" characterized by a sevenfold increase in the intensity of the sun's light (Isaiah 30:26) would be far more than enough to completely vaporize the moon and the earth and probably every planet in our solar system.

So there would seem to be a slight problem with "in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound." (Isaiah 30:26)

There is no Scripture about "the moon shining blood red". Rather, the associated Scriptures say that the moon becomes literal, or as literal, blood. There is no Scripture describing its appearance thereafter.

Let us be literal.

Even when it's literal nonsense.

jgr said:

A "big Coronal Mass Ejection" characterized by a sevenfold increase in the intensity of the sun's light (Isaiah 30:26) would be far more than enough to completely vaporize the moon and the earth and probably every planet in our solar system.

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The Lord knows just how big it needs to be.
As Isaiah 2:21 and Revelation 6:15-16 say; people will survive by getting under cover. Exactly as we are told to do; Isaiah 26:20-21

jgr said:

There is no Scripture about "the moon shining blood red". Rather, the associated Scriptures say that the moon becomes literal, or as literal, blood. There is no Scripture describing its appearance thereafter.

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This is where you, in your desire to avoid the possibility of yourself having to face this event, become ridiculous. The moon becomes as blood; just what it will look like.

keras said:

The Lord knows just how big it needs to be.
As Isaiah 2:21 and Revelation 6:15-16 say; people will survive by getting under cover. Exactly as we are told to do; Isaiah 26:20-21

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The Lord tells us how big it will be. Don't you believe Him?

The people and the cover are vaporized. How do vaporized people get under vaporized cover?

Be literal.

keras said:

This is where you, in your desire to avoid the possibility of yourself having to face this event, become ridiculous. The moon becomes as blood; just what it will look like.

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Cite the Scripture that tells us what it will look like.

Be literal.

keras said:

A big Coronal Mass Ejection, a known possible event will literally fulfil all the things described to happen on the Lord's Day of fiery wrath.
Joel 2:31 and Revelation 6:12 both say the moon shining blood red will be one effect of the Lord sending fire. Amos 1, Psalms 11:4-5. Malachi 4:1

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Paul describes the fiery event in the passage below.
The fire comes from the Son, instead of the sun.


2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


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jgr said:

The Lord tells us how big it will be. Don't you believe Him?

The people and the cover are vaporized. How do vaporized people get under vaporized cover?

Be literal.



Cite the Scripture that tells us what it will look like.

Be literal.

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You agree it will happen and Keras does not agree on your effect. How ironic.

You claim it cannot happen and Keras gives you the literal mechanics. More irony.

You claim all will be vaporized and Keras says they are protected. Which is more miraculous?

The sun is not even a star. It is a bright light. It cannot eject gas at all. Science just believes Satan's virtual reality. Now who is literal, God or Satan? God can turn up the intensity of a bright light, and nothing is ejected at all except heat.

Genesis 1 says two bright lights. Do you accept God's Word or Satan's version of "truth"?

It is nice that Atonement is not based on science/knowledge. All of humanity seems to be in the dark on Genesis 1. When the heavens dissolve and you all see the two bright spotlights, the 1000 year millennium will make more sense as well. Revelation 6:12

"The sun turned black as sackcloth worn in mourning, and the full moon became blood-red."

God turns the sun off and back on. God does not vaporize a gas giant, and then creates a new one. He never had a gas giant to begin with.

Timtofly said:

The sun is not even a star.

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Maybe it's a UFO.

It's apparent that you never passed kindergarten science.

Or are you just trying to win today's guffaw du jour prize?

jgr said:

Maybe it's a UFO.

It's apparent that you never passed kindergarten science.

Or are you just trying to win today's guffaw du jour prize?

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I choose to accept God's Word. Label that however you like. Science cannot refute God's Word.

Timtofly said:

I choose to accept God's Word. Label that however you like. Science cannot refute God's Word.

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Do you think God's Word is unscientific?

jgr said:

Those would be the teachings affirmed by every recognized historical defender of the New Covenant faith for over 1700 years.

Before you burst upon the scene to bring us the truth.

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So true. There are a number of private interpreters on this forum who have come to save the day and show how literally everyone has been wrong in their interpretations for the last couple millennia. Where would we be without these last days heroes to show us the light that everyone else has missed until now?

jgr said:

Do you think God's Word is unscientific?

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God's Word is knowledge not unknowable.

Some scientist's interpretations are unscientific.

Spiritual Jew said:

So true. There are a number of private interpreters on this forum who have come to save the day and show how literally everyone has been wrong in their interpretations for the last couple millennia. Where would we be without these last days heroes to show us the light that everyone else has missed until now?

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In the last days even the elect will be deceived. How would you describe how you are deceived? If not in doctrine, what then?

Timtofly said:

In the last days even the elect will be deceived. How would you describe how you are deceived? If not in doctrine, what then?

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LOL. It doesn't say the elect WILL be deceived. Where are you getting that from? It says they can be if they're not careful. That's why Jesus warned His followers to watch out that they are not deceived. If they were guaranteed to be deceived, then why even give a warning? If we do what He says and watch for deception and are careful, then we won't be deceived.

Timtofly said:

God's Word is knowledge not unknowable.

Some scientist's interpretations are unscientific.

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I didn't ask about "some scientist's interpretations".

Are you unable to answer the question?

Or unwilling?

Timtofly said:

In the last days even the elect will be deceived. How would you describe how you are deceived? If not in doctrine, what then?

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Who's deceived?

1. Modernist futurist dispensationalism for less than 200 years.
2. Recognized historical defenders of the New Covenant faith for more than 1700 years.

Easy answer.

Spiritual Jew said:

LOL. It doesn't say the elect WILL be deceived. Where are you getting that from? It says they can be if they're not careful. That's why Jesus warned His followers to watch out that they are not deceived. If they were guaranteed to be deceived, then why even give a warning? If we do what He says and watch for deception and are careful, then we won't be deceived.

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Well the church was not careful in all things.

jgr said:

I didn't ask about "some scientist's interpretations".

Are you unable to answer the question?

Or unwilling?

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God's Word is the only science. Do you reject that or avoid that fact?

jgr said:

Who's deceived?

1. Modernist futurist dispensationalism for less than 200 years.
2. Recognized historical defenders of the New Covenant faith for more than 1700 years.

Easy answer.

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We are not talking about doctrine. We are talking about science. 1 Timothy 6:20

Oh, Timothy! Keep safe what has been entrusted to you. Turn away from the ungodly babblings and the argumentative opposition of what is falsely called “knowledge.”