Divorce according to the Bible

Ashley Amos · Jan 3, 2021

JohnDB said:
Well,
For a new member of a community you have accused a lot of people of a lot of things and provided a highly suspect theology with no explanation except for accusations of various sorts.

Got a lot of miles to cover there cowboy!

Please provide scripture for your assertions.

Ashley Amos · Jan 3, 2021

Ashley Amos said:
Lol you mean who have cleverly compromised the scripture to suit your way if thinking.

Looks like you’re out to find eat ticklers to listen to.

Ashley Amos · Jan 3, 2021

Carl Emerson said:
For this reason I lean on those like Bill Heth who have the relevant smarts and have devoted a chunk of their lives considering the issue.

Looks like you’re out to find eat ticklers to listen to.

Ashley Amos · Jan 3, 2021

topher694 said:
You provided no scriptures when you accused Carl's professor. I believe that his point, and mine like it, was that your interpretation of this scripture in the OP is incorrect. However, this pattern of accusing other christians of stuff like manipulating & compromising does remind me of a scripture... let me see, how did it go? Something about accusing the brethren... hmmmm, maybe you can look it up for me.

Read the scripture again closely.

Tinker Grey · Jan 3, 2021

Ashley Amos said:
Lol you mean who have cleverly compromised the scripture to suit your way if thinking.

Ashley Amos said:
Looks like you’re out to find eat ticklers to listen to.

You realize you just responded to yourself.

Carl Emerson · Jan 3, 2021

Ashley Amos said:
Lol you mean who have cleverly compromised the scripture to suit your way if thinking.

Nonsense - and I ignore unfounded judgements.

Ashley Amos · Jan 3, 2021

chevyontheriver said:
So did Mark and Luke make a mistake in not allowing divorce for any reason or did Matthew make the mistake in allowing it for 'inappropriate contenteia'?

Mark and Luke were not eyewitnesses the only eyewitnesses out of the three out of Matthew Mark and Luke is Matthew. So it would seem that you are choosing Mark and Luke over Matthew not due to their correctness but due to their seemingly easier statement. When it comes to scripture you must go with the scripture that elaborates further and that is Matthews.

Ashley Amos · Jan 3, 2021

Carl Emerson said:
Nonsense - and I ignore unfounded judgements.

How can it be unfounded when Jesus said it clearly in Matthew twice.

Ashley Amos · Jan 3, 2021

Carl Emerson said:
Nonsense - and I ignore unfounded judgements.

Jesus was not a scholar he was a simple carpenter and Peter couldn’t even read and write and he was the leader of the church. So if these men came today you wouldn’t believe them either because you are looking for scholars .

Ashley Amos · Jan 3, 2021

Tinker Grey said:
You realize you just responded to yourself.

Yes LOL I’m still trying to learn this Internet forum stuff.

Carl Emerson · Jan 3, 2021

Ashley Amos said:
The word Legalistic alludes to Jesus abolishing the law which is not true he came to show us how to fullfill the law in our lives. Jesus abolished the denominational traditions of the Pharisees and the Sadducees but not the law.

This is only one definition of legalistic...

There are plenty who try to hold scriptures over others in a legalistic manner from more or less 'soul force' rather than the Holy Spirit.

Ashley Amos · Jan 3, 2021

Par5 said:
I said the bible was the last place to look for advice on marriage and divorce. It would appear that the only reason for divorce is infidelity when there are other serious problems that can affect a marriage.
Why for example, should a woman have to remain in a marriage with an abusive partner? Why should she have to live in constant fear of a beating or verbal onslaught? Some women can also be abusive to their husbands. Of course, the abused partner can leave, but they should be free to divorce and remarry.
A couple may drift apart. Fall out of love if you wish. Why should they not divorce and remarry? Would you deny them the right to find love again?
If there is infidelity, mental and physical abuse, or simply a complete lack of love in a relationship then it can't be called a marriage and people should be free to leave such a relationship and remarry if they so desire.
Thankfully people nowadays can divorce for all of those reasons, but not so if you follow biblical advice.
Biblical advice on marriage and divorce belongs in the age in which it was written.

What is not making sense to you is suffering, suffering for the word of God does not make sense to you, that does not mean that the word itself does not make sense but merely the concept of suffering for the word of God To you.

topher694 · Jan 3, 2021

Ashley Amos said:
Read the scripture again closely.

Thanks for the deep suggestion. Now I have one for you. Set aside your presuppositions and actually study the scripture including the context and the Greek and compare it to the rest of Jesus' teachings.

Carl Emerson · Jan 3, 2021

Par5 said:
It would appear that Christians are not all singing from the same hymnsheet if a

It would seem that Christians are not all singing from the same hymn sheet when it comes to divorce if a survey taken by the Barna Research Group, an evangelical organization, is anything to go by.
I must admit I was surprised at its findings.
11% of all American adults are divorced
25% of all American adults have had at least one divorce
27% of born-again Christians have had at least one divorce
24% of all non-born-again Christians have been divorced
21% of atheists have been divorced
21% of Catholics and Lutherans have been divorced
24% of Mormons have been divorced
25% of mainstream Protestants have been divorced
29% of Baptists have been divorced
24% of nondenominational, independent Protestants have been divorced
27% of people in the South and Midwest have been divorced
26% of people in the West have been divorced
19% of people in the Northwest and Northeast have been divorced
The survey also found that the highest rate of divorce was in the bible belt, some 50% higher there than the national average.

This simply shows that the spiritual battle is indeed raging - Satan hates good marriages.

Carl Emerson · Jan 3, 2021

Ashley Amos said:
How can it be unfounded when Jesus said it clearly in Matthew twice.

Have you read Bill Heths dissertation on the matter ??

Ashley Amos · Jan 3, 2021

Carl Emerson said:
Have you read Bill Heths dissertation on the matter ??

The Bible in first John states that the Holy Spirit the anointing that was given to you shall teach you all things, you do not need anyone to teach you and so no I don’t read scholars interpretations. I only read the Bible, I read the teachings of Jesus and relate them to the way he lived his life or the way that the disciples lived their life and interpreted his teachings.

JohnDB · Jan 3, 2021

Ashley Amos said:
Please provide scripture for your assertions.

I have provided many scriptures that defy your assertions.
I have provided anthropological evidence as well that creates such holes that the parade of monster trucks driving through the holes are much more entertaining than your diatribe about how we haven't given any scriptures. LOL.

So...
When you decide to have a real, honest, and respectful conversation you can let me know. I haven't seen any of this from you at this point.

And on top of this you seem to be claiming the title of "pastor". Again not really sure that this is true. Your manner of speaking in this forum is leaving that fact highly suspect.

Ashley Amos · Jan 3, 2021

topher694 said:
Thanks for the deep suggestion. Now I have one for you. Set aside your presuppositions and actually study the scripture including the context and the Greek and compare it to the rest of Jesus' teachings.

Many pastors have completely twisted the Scriptures based on greek meanings. I am very careful when dealing with Greek translations when they do not match up with the way that Jesus lived his life. If we are speaking about Greek meanings of divorce Then why did the Scriptures clearly state that Joseph was preparing to divorce his wife because he mistakenly thought she had committed adultery, And the Scriptures clearly call him a righteous man.

JohnDB · Jan 3, 2021

Ashley Amos said:
Many pastors have completely twisted the Scriptures based on greek meanings. I am very careful when dealing with Greek translations when they do not match up with the way that Jesus lived his life. If we are speaking about Greek meanings of divorce Then why did the Scriptures clearly state that Joseph was preparing to divorce his wife because he mistakenly thought she had committed adultery, And the Scriptures clearly call him a righteous man.

He wasn't going to divorce Mary...he was going to put her away privately.

This is what the Oxford Cambridge KJV that is so popular says for a reason.

And Greek is only relevant when held up to the septuagint translation of the Hebrew Tenakh.

Ashley Amos · Jan 3, 2021

JohnDB said:
I have provided many scriptures that defy your assertions.
I have provided anthropological evidence as well that creates such holes that the parade of monster trucks driving through the holes are much more entertaining than your diatribe about how we haven't given any scriptures. LOL.

So...
When you decide to have a real, honest, and respectful conversation you can let me know. I haven't seen any of this from you at this point.

And on top of this you seem to be claiming the title of "pastor". Again not really sure that this is true. Your manner of speaking in this forum is leaving that fact highly suspect.

You are clearly contradicting Matthew 5:32 and Matthew 19:9 which states that the only reason a man can divorce his wife is due to adultery this is why I’m saying please support with scripture or an example in the Bible which contradicts these two scriptures. Not Greek interpretations if they don’t line up with the teachings of Jesus or an example in the Bible then I have to come to the conclusion that you have misinterpreted the Scriptures due to false Greek translational arguments. The majority of your argument is based on Greek translation that is why I am asking for scriptural argument. I am not Trying to irritate you, this is not at all my intention if I am I apologize

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