Will all men be resurrected or only Christians?

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Hi @zoidar not sure if these scriptures have been used yet in the thread.

Acts 24:15 I have the same hope in God that these men have, that he will raise both the righteous and the unrighteous.

John 5: 28 Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice 29 and come out— those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

Daniel 12:2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
 
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I read somewhere that there was an idea held by a part of the Early Church that only Christians would be raised from the dead. I have always taken for granted that everyone that lived will be risen from the dead and stand before God on judgement day.

If we for an example read 1 Cor 15, I'm not sure it's talking about everyone being resurrected.

But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all (all men) die, so also in Christ all (all in Christ, see Romans below) will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
— 1 Corinthians 15:20-24

So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
— Romans 5:18-19

What do you think?
yea You're right everybody will be risen from dead.
1st Resurrection is of the living so all Christians and OT saints
2nd Resurrection is of the damned where they are judged and thrown into lake of fire
 
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Well then you explain why unbelievers will be judged for their works at the great white throne.
One thing is not related to the other, there is no linkage unless you can supply some. There is absolutely nothing about levels in the lake of fire. Is there some reason why you think any level in the lake of fire would be preferable to any other level? Do you think there is some level that would result in a slow roast rather than a consuming burn?
 
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What verses would you use to show unbelievers will be resurrected?

I do not think the God's word informs us of two resurrections. Only one ressurection demonstrated at the cross. The ressurection gate remains open till the last day .

One ressurection two deaths .The death of the unbeliever and the death of death that caused sufferings living hell itself , the letter of the law.

The second death the death itself as the suffering of hell according to the letter of the law. It will not rise up and condemn another whole creation. Thou shall not eat or you will surely dies in sufferings.

Dead bones will no be raised to be judged like the trial of Pope Formosa putting dead bones on trial .That kind of idea would say a person is not really dead and makes way for purgatory. . sufferings for a unknown amount of time .Leaves a person wondering about grace and not coming to faith, the conclusion, no confidence in wondering.
 
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Is there a lake of fire in Dante? The level in the lake of fire a person lands in seems about as bizarre a question as how hot is the fire that is burning you up.

I don't know if there is a lake in Dante, but different severe levels in hell.
 
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One thing is not related to the other, there is no linkage unless you can supply some. There is absolutely nothing about levels in the lake of fire. Is there some reason why you think any level in the lake of fire would be preferable to any other level? Do you think there is some level that would result in a slow roast rather than a consuming burn?

So there are levels of reward for believers, why would there not be levels of torment for unbelievers.

So someone like a evil murder gets the same torment that the lady or man who was law abiding citizen, even a church goer.

So in the lake of fire everyone is tormented equally. Again i ask then why the need to judge these peoples works.
 
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One thing is not related to the other, there is no linkage unless you can supply some. There is absolutely nothing about levels in the lake of fire. Is there some reason why you think any level in the lake of fire would be preferable to any other level? Do you think there is some level that would result in a slow roast rather than a consuming burn?

I would offer. . its the letter of the law called the second death that will be made to no effect in the new heavens and earth . Death the former things under the Sun will not be remembered fore ever and ever more.

Death along with its sufferings called hell will not rise to represent the wage of sin (Thou shall not eat of a tree) .

The second, death. . death itself as to the letter of the law it will be consumed in the fiery judgement of God's living word.

Dead bones will not rise. Bones have no spirit life that could move or give desire to . . They simply return to the lifeless, spiritless dust they were formed with a measure of water.. . clay Just like any beast of the field.

Hell is the sufferings of this life. The dead know nothing .Their memories they did have are gone never to rise again. Now is the time we can suffer yoked with him for His righteousness sakes. He promises if he has begun the good work of salvation in us with us .he will finish empowering us till the last day when we take or last breath
 
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I read somewhere that there was an idea held by a part of the Early Church that only Christians would be raised from the dead. I have always taken for granted that everyone that lived will be risen from the dead and stand before God on judgement day.

If we for an example read 1 Cor 15, I'm not sure it's talking about everyone being resurrected.

But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all (all men) die, so also in Christ all (all in Christ, see Romans below) will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
— 1 Corinthians 15:20-24

So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
— Romans 5:18-19

What do you think?

All will be!

The church dead at the rapture.

1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

The tribulation saints and possibly the OT saints after Jesus returns and right before he sets up His Kingdom.

Revelation 20:4-5
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4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Then all the lost to stand before the great white throne and be cast bodily into the lake of fire.

Rev. 20:
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
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The level in the lake of fire??? where is that in the Bible????

He might be referring to this:

Mat_23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mar_12:40 Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.
Luk_20:47 Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.
 
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I do not think the God's word informs us of two resurrections.

All the passages posted so far including Revelation 20 shows two resurrections, one of the just that happens first and one of the unjust that happens afterward. The only issue is how much time is inbetween the two resurrections. Of all the passages that speak of them, only one says how much time there is inbetween and that's in Revelation 20.


Only one ressurection demonstrated at the cross.

There was no resurrection at the cross. The cross was a death. It was 3 days later that a resurrection happened.

The ressurection gate remains open till the last day .

There is no such thing as a resurrection gate.


One ressurection two deaths .

No, two resurrections.

1. Resurrection of the just.
2. Resurrection of the unjust.


Also, death being cast into the LOF is not a death because death is not alive. The only two deaths are the first death of the human body, then the second death in the LOF.
 
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All the passages posted so far including Revelation 20 shows two resurrections, one of the just that happens first and one of the unjust that happens afterward. The only issue is how much time is inbetween the two resurrections. Of all the passages that speak of them, only one says how much time there is inbetween and that's in Revelation 20.

There was no resurrection at the cross. The cross was a death. It was 3 days later that a resurrection happened.

There is no such thing as a resurrection gate.

No, two resurrections.

1. Resurrection of the just.
2. Resurrection of the unjust.

Also, death being cast into the LOF is not a death because death is not alive. The only two deaths are the first death of the human body, then the second death in the LOF.

The whole three day demonstration is reckoned as the opening of the city of light , the glory of our unseen Holy God, the storeroom of glory .

In that way the very essence of God is He is light and not that he can only create it. But we move in it as it works in and with us. .

The garden, cross and tomb make up 3 parts of the one propmised demonstration (Isaiah 53)

What I call resurrection gate would be the same as doors to the new mansion of many rooms, the heavenly city . Christ is the door or gate.

The bride of Christ prepared as a city is called Christians. Previously the father called her Israel or a inward Jew born again of the Spirit of Christ the anointing Holy Spirt of God. our teacher comforter and guide. .

The glory promised in 1 Peter 1:11 is the demonstration of the cross ..The bible calls it when the graves were opened. . . therefore opening the resurrection gate or door .The demonstration was over the promise it produces remains the same.

Today to be absent of the body means a person has entered the ressurection gate .. the gospel lamp unto there feet the well lit path.

Remember gates in the book or chapter of Revelation the last chapter it defines the old testament believers (gates) that were in a temporal holding pen until the veil was rent the three day demonstration.

Just as walls of those sent out (apostles) of the city, the same city prepared as his bride represents Christian as apostles sent with the gospel .The new more befitting name for all the nations, that the father re-named the bride in Acts.

We look back to the opening of that gate they looked ahead by the same Spirit of faith (Christ's) as it is written.

1 Peter 1:10-11 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

One ressurection. Two deaths.(1) The physicals death of these earthen bodies of death and (2) the letter of the law death itself .It will not enter the knew heavens and earth .

In it there will be no temple, no walls, no night, no sufferings

God will not rise up corrupted bones and judge them . That was tried at the trial of Pope Formosa to encourage purgatory .(sufferings after death)

The second death the letter of the law, the cause of sufferings of hell (living suffering) it will not be part of the new order.

No literal bones . But rather how do we hear with our new gift of faith. How does it open the ingates of our heart and soul? ?

Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Ezekiel informs us our earthen bodies as dead bones hear the word of the Lord. The dead bones of the dead that will not rise to the first ressurection has finished their sufferings. The lifeless spiritless dust returns to where it was formed the clay of the field .

Ezekiel 37:3-6 King James Version (KJV)
And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest. Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord

Psalm 119:130 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.
 
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So there are levels of reward for believers, why would there not be levels of torment for unbelievers.

So someone like a evil murder gets the same torment that the lady or man who was law abiding citizen, even a church goer.

So in the lake of fire everyone is tormented equally. Again i ask then why the need to judge these peoples works.
If anyone has rejected Jesus as savior, his sins are not covered by the blood and he is not seen as the righteousness of Jesus, therefore he is guilty of all sins.
James 2:10
“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”

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I would offer. . its the letter of the law called the second death that will be made to no effect in the new heavens and earth . Death the former things under the Sun will not be remembered fore ever and ever more.

Death along with its sufferings called hell will not rise to represent the wage of sin (Thou shall not eat of a tree) .

The second, death. . death itself as to the letter of the law it will be consumed in the fiery judgement of God's living word.

Dead bones will not rise. Bones have no spirit life that could move or give desire to . . They simply return to the lifeless, spiritless dust they were formed with a measure of water.. . clay Just like any beast of the field.

Hell is the sufferings of this life. The dead know nothing .Their memories they did have are gone never to rise again. Now is the time we can suffer yoked with him for His righteousness sakes. He promises if he has begun the good work of salvation in us with us .he will finish empowering us till the last day when we take or last breath
interesting theology, not orthodox but interesting just the same.
 
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He might be referring to this:

Mat_23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mar_12:40 Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.
Luk_20:47 Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.
The lesser damnation would be for ignorant sinners the greater for those who denied Jesus as savior same result in the lake of fire however.
 
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I read somewhere that there was an idea held by a part of the Early Church that only Christians would be raised from the dead. I have always taken for granted that everyone that lived will be risen from the dead and stand before God on judgement day.

If we for an example read 1 Cor 15, I'm not sure it's talking about everyone being resurrected.

But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all (all men) die, so also in Christ all (all in Christ, see Romans below) will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
— 1 Corinthians 15:20-24

So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
— Romans 5:18-19

What do you think?
At the second and final resurrection, all will be raised and judged once and for all, or for all of them or those at that point from that point on anyway, etc, but not at the first resurrection and first still as yet temporal or temporary judgment first, or at that time first, etc...

But at the end of time, the second and final and last comes, which will be for all, etc, either to one place or another for judgement, or after that one and final and last final judgement, etc...

And immediately after that, the old heavens and old earth are done away with, and new one(s) begin again, etc...

God Bless!
 
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At the second and final resurrection, all will be raised and judged once and for all, or for all of them or those at that point from that point on anyway, etc, but not at the first resurrection and first still as yet temporal or temporary judgment first, or at that time first, etc...

But at the end of time, the second and final and last comes, which will be for all, etc, either to one place or another for judgement, or after that one and final and last final judgement, etc...

And immediately after that, the old heavens and old earth are done away with, and new one(s) begin again, etc...

God Bless!
Only true Christians will take part in the first, etc, but maybe not all yet maybe, etc...

Only God knows that part, etc...

But the second is the final and the last, at least for all creatures all coming out of or from this creation anyway, etc...

God Bless!
 
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