JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

eleos1954 · Nov 25, 2020

Bob S said:
What law?

1 John 3:4
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

Romans 7:7
What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”

Luke 16:17
But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.

Romans 13:9
For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Obviously referring back to the 10 commandments.

klutedavid · Nov 26, 2020

HARK! said:
Then exactly what law did Yahshua say he did not come to destroy?

What law did Yahshua say would not pass away?

What law did Paul say that we are sustaining?

What law were Zechariah and his wife going in, blameless?

To which law did Paul become blameless?

Where can I find in scripture that the law was destroyed, in contradiction to all of these witnesses, including Yahshua himself?

If any of the law has passed, then the entire law has passed.

The law grants the knowledge of sin and that's about all it does. If you were able to keep the law perfectly in the flesh. That would make the sacrifice that Jesus accomplished redundant.

It's the law breakers, the sinners, that Jesus came to save!

klutedavid · Nov 26, 2020

eleos1954 said:
1 John 3:4
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

Drunkards, gamblers and gluttons, are also sinning. Even though the law does not mention those sins.

Two fatal sins are the rejection of Jesus and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The law never mentions either of them.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

It does not say the ten commandments, if you think that you are wrong.

Love never kills.
Love does not lie.
Love does not steal.

Love fulfilled everything that the entire law, ever asked for and more.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Nov 26, 2020

klutedavid said:
Drunkards, gamblers and gluttons, are also sinning. Even though the law does not mention those sins

Deuteronomy 21:20
Proverbs 23:20-21

Yeshua HaDerekh · Nov 26, 2020

Bob S said:
He also brought the law to an end, both at the Cross.

Sin is the transgression of the law.

The wages of sin is death.

Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Christ redeemed us from the CURSE of the Law by becoming a CURSE for us. For it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses, having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross!

klutedavid · Nov 26, 2020

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Deuteronomy 21:20
Proverbs 23:20-21

Very good. How about worldliness, worldly desires?

Titus 2:12
Instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously, and in a godly manner in the present age

Jude 1:19
These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit.

klutedavid · Nov 26, 2020

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Deuteronomy 21:20
Proverbs 23:20-21

How about showing me where the law specifies these two fatal sins. The rejection of Jesus and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Nov 26, 2020

klutedavid said:
Very good. How about worldliness, worldly desires?

Titus 2:12
Instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously, and in a godly manner in the present age

Jude 1:19
These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit.

Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.

The Lord will not allow the righteous soul to famish, but He casts away the desire of the wicked.

The LORD detests the way of the wicked, but He loves those who pursue righteousness.

Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.

As righteousness leads to life, so he who pursues evil pursues it to his own death.

But know that the LORD hath set apart him that is godly for himself: the LORD will hear when I call unto him.

Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Nov 26, 2020

klutedavid said:
How about showing me where the law specifies these two fatal sins. The rejection of Jesus and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Do not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain.

You neglected the Rock who begot you, and forgot the God who gave you birth.

They made their hearts like flint so that they could not hear the law and the words which the Lord of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets; therefore great wrath came from the Lord of hosts.

Thus says the Lord, “If you will not listen to Me, to walk in My law which I have set before you, to listen to the words of My servants the prophets, whom I have been sending to you again and again, but you have not listened; then I will make this house like Shiloh, and this city I will make a curse to all the nations of the earth

Bob S · Nov 26, 2020

Some SDA wrote "According to the Gods' Word, JESUS did not fulfill the law so that we are now free to break it." Jesus is God and God stated that He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. Does the SDA that wrote such a thing know what he/she actually wrote. God came to fulfill, but he didn't keep His word, OY!

Yeshua HaDerekh · Nov 26, 2020

Bob S said:
Some SDA wrote "According to the Gods' Word, JESUS did not fulfill the law so that we are now free to break it." Jesus is God and God stated that He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. Does the SDA that wrote such a thing know what he/she actually wrote. God came to fulfill, but he didn't keep His word, OY!

Come on Bob, you know what he meant. Stop making drama.

bbbbbbb · Nov 26, 2020

eleos1954 said:
1 John 3:4
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

Romans 7:7
What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”

Luke 16:17
But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.

Romans 13:9
For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Obviously referring back to the 10 commandments.

I am so very grateful that God only requires folks to keep ten of His commandments. That allows me to engage in sodomy, incest, and beastility, although not necessarily in that order. Which of those do you prefer to practice?

Aaron_Bethlhm · Nov 26, 2020

When someone's god and lord (not referring to the Creator or Jesus),

is any of the false gods or idols so common on earth,

they do not abide in Jesus , and may be free to practice licentiousness , freed, fraud, and so on, in their own minds and lives.

If they abide in Jesus, they seek to purify themselves, as He is Pure.

eleos1954 · Nov 26, 2020

klutedavid said:
Drunkards, gamblers and gluttons, are also sinning. Even though the law does not mention those sins.

Two fatal sins are the rejection of Jesus and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The law never mentions either of them.It does not say the ten commandments, if you think that you are wrong.

Love never kills.
Love does not lie.
Love does not steal.

Love fulfilled everything that the entire law, ever asked for and more.

Love never kills. (Thou shalt not kill)
Love does not lie. (Thou shalt not bear false witness)
Love does not steal. (Thou shalt not steal)

I am not wrong. Everything Jesus taught was from the OT and relates back to the 10 commandments one way or the other. Jesus MAGNIFIED the law .... gave us a more in depth/detailed understanding of them.

Matthew 5:17

Berean Study Bible
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill (fill full) them.

klutedavid · Nov 26, 2020

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.

The Lord will not allow the righteous soul to famish, but He casts away the desire of the wicked.

The LORD detests the way of the wicked, but He loves those who pursue righteousness.

Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.

As righteousness leads to life, so he who pursues evil pursues it to his own death.

But know that the LORD hath set apart him that is godly for himself: the LORD will hear when I call unto him.

Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near.

None of what you said mentions worldliness. How would anyone who knows the Torah know anything about worldliness. Or for that matter, the love of money.

Where in the Torah is the admonition against worldliness and the love of money?

klutedavid · Nov 26, 2020

eleos1954 said:
Love never kills. (Thou shalt not kill)
Love does not lie. (Thou shalt not bear false witness)
Love does not steal. (Thou shalt not steal)

I am not wrong. Everything Jesus taught was from the OT and relates back to the 10 commandments one way or the other. Jesus MAGNIFIED the law .... gave us a more in depth/detailed understanding of them.

Matthew 5:17

Berean Study Bible
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill (fill full) them.

But you are wrong. You are deeply mistaken about the law and Jesus Christ.

There is a profound difference between not stealing because you love others. And not stealing simply because the law says not to steal.

Can you see the difference. The law against stealing grants you the knowledge that you are a thief. Though, the law cannot change your inherent nature.

Love is a gift of the Holy Spirit and only through loving others, will your desire to steal diminish. One is walking by the Holy Spirit and the other is an act of the will.

klutedavid · Nov 26, 2020

Bob S said:
Some SDA wrote "According to the Gods' Word, JESUS did not fulfill the law so that we are now free to break it." Jesus is God and God stated that He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. Does the SDA that wrote such a thing know what he/she actually wrote. God came to fulfill, but he didn't keep His word, OY!

The law only grants the knowledge of sin and only the perfect can fulfill it. The law was only really there for Jesus to fulfill as He was perfect.

We are merely condemned by the law and the law fulfilled it's purpose.

Luke 18:19
And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

Romans 3:12
All have turned aside, together they have become useless; There is none who does good, There is not even one.

Romans 3:20
Because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

klutedavid · Nov 26, 2020

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Do not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain.

You neglected the Rock who begot you, and forgot the God who gave you birth.

They made their hearts like flint so that they could not hear the law and the words which the Lord of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets; therefore great wrath came from the Lord of hosts.

Thus says the Lord, “If you will not listen to Me, to walk in My law which I have set before you, to listen to the words of My servants the prophets, whom I have been sending to you again and again, but you have not listened; then I will make this house like Shiloh, and this city I will make a curse to all the nations of the earth

The law grants the knowledge of sin and that is why it was given to us. Gazing at the law is looking in the mirror. Now you see who you really are, a sinner in need of redemption.

Now turn around and accept the messiah as you have no where else to go.

The law grants the knowledge of sin and that's all, i.e, condemnation.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 26, 2020

klutedavid said:
The law grants the knowledge of sin and that is why it was given to us. Gazing at the law is looking in the mirror. Now you see who you really are, a sinner in need of redemption.

Now turn around and accept the messiah as you have no where else to go.

The law grants the knowledge of sin and that's all, i.e, condemnation.

Absolutely, then what excuse does anyone have in breaking God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken? Where is the scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? - There is none. This is a teaching and tradition of men that has led many to break God's commandments and JESUS warns us about in Matthew 15:3-9. Time for us to leave BABYLON. God is calling us to return to His Word. Gods' sheep hear His Voice (the Word) and follow Him. Gods is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. The hour has come and now is that the true worshipers will leave BABYLON and worship Him in Spirit and in truth.

bbbbbbb · Nov 26, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Absolutely, then what excuse does anyone have in breaking God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken? Where is the scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? - There is none. This is a teaching and tradition of men that has led many to break God's commandments and JESUS warns us about in Matthew 15:3-9. Time for us to leave BABYLON. God is calling us to return to His Word. Gods' sheep hear His Voice (the Word) and follow Him. Gods is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. The hour has come and now is that the true worshipers will leave BABYLON and worship Him in Spirit and in truth.

So, according to you it is just okey-dokey to commit sodomy, incest, and/or inappropriate behavior with animals as long as you engage in religious activities on Saturdays. Nice!!!

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