Why do I feel like Jesus is slowly but surely being taken out of Christianity?

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I wonder if I'm not seeing the church of Philadelphia being kept from the hour of trial that's coming
I used to live just outside of Philadelphia, and the churches there are really no different than Baltimore or Pittsburgh except there are more Quaker meetinghouses.
 
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I just feel like, for instance, through Church services, and any other forum of Christanity, that Jesus is slowly being forgotten. I just feel like Jesus is being watered down a lot. Can't just be me?
No, sister, it's not just you, but don't worry, the Lord knows those of us who are His.
 
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IMO, the root of this problem is that many Christians don't really know who God is, and have many tares in them that aren't even Christians. Knowing God is more than just praying and asking for salvation from Him, it's a process of conforming your mind, listening to the Holy Spirit actively, and obeying Him. How often do you hear conversations in church where the people are talking about their deepening relationship with Christ? Where they talk about what the Holy Spirit told them, or what they think God is doing in their life?

How can you love someone you don't really know? How much do you want to talking about someone you don't really know?
 
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Jesus Christ is a person. Can He be taken out of church service? Can He be watered down? What would that look like?

The fact is that Jesus Christ is the Word of God. That is His name. He is the One, the person, who was with God in the beginning and is God - the Son. He said He would never leave us. God is omni-present, so we find His Spirit everywhere. He said he stands at the door and knocks and if anyone, as in everyone could, hear His voice and open the door He would come into them and eat with them and them with Him.

So you can't take Him out of a church service but you can ignore Him and not hear His voice and open the door. In the same way you could, I suppose, hear Him a little but not really pay much attention to Him. Is that what you mean by "Watered down".

Of course, since it is to anyone, I could sat in a church service and hear His voice and open up to Him. I could also decide to pay close attention to Him. That doesn't mean that the person next to me is doing the same thing! I believe the problem is more personal than we think it is!!!

I am used to going to Charismatic churches. That is where He has normally asked me to go to church. Generally speaking I wouldn't call them "watered down", but perhaps that is just me. Never-the-less, I have been in churches which seemed rather boring, dull, legalistic, and generally disappointing. But perhaps that was also me and not everyone's impression?

I specifically remembered once when the Lord wanted me to go to a Lutheran service. The Lord had me open up a Christian bookstore in town and I had come across a lady in the store whose father was a Lutheran pastor in town. I remember it well. He was about to retire. It was a Sunday, July seventh (7-7), which also happened to be my dad's birthday. After 40 years this esteemed man of God in the city was preaching His last. The Lord wanted me to go, as a way to honor him. I was expecting boring., and I think it probably was to most.

Yet for me on that day, it turned out to be one of the most incredible services I had ever seen. It was that type that you just can't tell people about, but I am going to:

During the service I saw a very large angel appear coming through the wall behind the front. Of course the angels was a spirit so while he appears 15 feet tall he appeared rather see through to me. I saw him going around the church appearing to bless all the people who attended. I was thinking - 'Oh my God, what am I seeing?' I couldn't listen to what was going because I was watching that angel. Then the angel spoke to me. He asked me if I would like to see the Lord? Of course that was a weird question to me, but yeah. That would be interesting. After all, I was seeing that angel.

Just a few minutes later, it seemed, they ask the regular attenders to come forward for communion. All the churches I go to do it different, so I stayed in my seat for this one. Ok - before I go on I realize that some people will have trouble with all this, but whatever. I am just relating what happened from my perspective. Anyway the people went forward, they were given drink from the same cup and as that was happening I saw in the spirit one like the Son of Man coming from the side. He had a white robe which had a gold trim and looked like a man, not an angel. He was man sized, seemed to walk like a man, and except for the robe and that fact that He too had a bit of a see through look, he looked like a normal man. He seem to bless the people up front and then it all seem to just vanish.

Well - that was interesting. I have seen a lot of strange things since the Lord came into my life. I have since seen a lot more angels, have often seen the Spirit of the Lord sitting next to me as I drive in my car. So while that was one of the first times I saw an angel it was no where close to the last time. The Lord gets on to me about not seeing more with my spiritual eyes. But the point was that we have a responsibility to seek the Lord and do what He askes. So we need to take a little responsibility if the Lord does not seem to be in the church services like we think He should!
 
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I just feel like, for instance, through Church services, and any other forum of Christanity, that Jesus is slowly being forgotten. I just feel like Jesus is being watered down a lot. Can't just be me?

You are speaking of Jude 1
There is a false faith, that is the faith of "self"....Where most "christians" do not trust in Christ to keep them saved.
They trust in SELF EFFORT, to keep themselves saved.
This is the gospel of SELF that rejects the Cross.
This gospel is a "sign" of the end times, when Grace has been rejected as "license" and self saving has replaced the Cross.
 
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I just feel like, for instance, through Church services, and any other forum of Christanity, that Jesus is slowly being forgotten. I just feel like Jesus is being watered down a lot. Can't just be me?


No, it's not just you. People in churches everywhere have watered down the word of God to fit into their own lifestyles so that they won't feel the conviction the word of God brings. That's why the world is so dark now. If there are hardly any real Christians, how is the light of God suppose to shine? These kind of Christians give a bad impression of who Jesus is and that's why nonbelievers can say 'who cares about being saved then?'.
 
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I just feel like, for instance, through Church services, and any other forum of Christanity, that Jesus is slowly being forgotten. I just feel like Jesus is being watered down a lot. Can't just be me?

As long as we hold on to that light, Yeshua will never be forgotten, nor stop being spoken about ever! He gets spoken about through strife, envy, jealously, hatred even. That as well spoken about through love, kindness, and mercy.

As individuals we are the ministers of the good news gospel, when the time is right we share, we hold on close to the Lord Yeshua, and God through our faith.

It’s true that some are preaching out of jealousy and rivalry. But others preach about Christ with pure motives. Philippians 1:15
 
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We're living in the Last Days. We know that in the Last Days Perilous Times will come (2 Timothy 3).

Therefore we must stand firm in the Lord, stand for the truth. Encourage one another as we see the day of the Lord approaching (Hebrews 10:25). Be faithful in fellowship and in prayer. The Lord is coming. God Bless :)
 
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I just feel like, for instance, through Church services, and any other forum of Christanity, that Jesus is slowly being forgotten. I just feel like Jesus is being watered down a lot. Can't just be me?
Do you possibly see the entire world losing whatever goodness they once had. I think it’s going to get much worse very quickly.
 
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I just feel like, for instance, through Church services, and any other forum of Christanity, that Jesus is slowly being forgotten. I just feel like Jesus is being watered down a lot. Can't just be me?
No it's not just you. People go to Church because it make them feel like they are doing something that will get them into heaven, but they don't want to give up their hold on the world and the things in the world. Nobody is serious about Jesus.
 
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No, it's not just you. People in churches everywhere have watered down the word of God to fit into their own lifestyles so that they won't feel the conviction the word of God brings. That's why the world is so dark now. If there are hardly any real Christians, how is the light of God suppose to shine? These kind of Christians give a bad impression of who Jesus is and that's why nonbelievers can say 'who cares about being saved then?'.

I think the people who hive Christianity a bad name are Christians who focus on the sins of others, but ignore the glaringly obvious. Christ told us the two commandments that were the most important were to love your neighbor as yourself, and love God with your heart, soul and mind. If we don't love out neighbor, we don't love God, nor do we follow Christ.

At the last supper, Christ said that all people will know you by the love you show one another.

Here is how most nonChristians see Christians:
Condemning others for sins while forgiving themselves
Seeing the world as something to fear - immoral, morally inferior to them, threatening their religion
Hypocrites. I watched a youtube video where a Christian said, "Isn't everyone? Why single Christians out?" Well, first it is wrong, biblically. And while others may be hypocritical to condemn others for drinking while the smoke, there is a much stronger effort of Christians to focus on others and the sins of others, condemning others, then ignore the plank in their eye.
Dishonest: You will hear arguments like, "I want to extend marriage to gay people. They can marry anyone of the opposite sex they want, just like me." They claim sexual orientation is a choice, despite research. Scott Lively brought debunked claims against GLBTQ to Uganda. Not having as much access to the internet, the people in Uganda believed it as truth, thought gays were a threat to their children and society, and "Kill the Gays Bill" was created. Is that something Christ would have done?
Arrogant: When someone mentions they are Christian, a common reaction from the other is that they are being judged. This kind of Christian will talk about their forgiveness like they earned it, and all the changes in their life due to their own dedication. They will assume anyone who doesn't follow their religion to be evil, to enjoy "sinning" like you are watching The 10 Commandments. They will claim they don't willfully sin. When pressed how they sin against there will, they explain it is unintentional. When asked how they "unintentionally" sin, they get angry.
I sin. I don't try to, but sometimes I lose my temper and say something I shouldn't. Sometimes, I am given a choice to do something I can get away with, say, steal an energy bar from a store because I have no money and hungry, or chose not to, but I own every misdeed I give in to, admitting I made a bad choice, but I did indeed use my free will. I ask forgiveness of God, and if it was against another, ask forgiveness from that person. One Christian even claimed to stop sinning altogether, explaining that Christians are not held to the law, but nonChristians were. In other words, he held nonChristians to a set of rules in his religion he didn't believe he was held to himself.
Fearful - fearful of govt, of GLBT, of rock music, pretty much any "other"
Mean Spirited: Check out Judge Rightly is not some guy's name. The essay written by Christian Conservative Radio Host Bob Enyart encourages followers to judge others, call others names, as Jesus did, and claims Christians are "too nice." No one thinks "too nice" when speaking of Christians. The think of Fred Phelps protesting funerals and using vulgar signs. They think of the person in class who outwardly bragged about her holiness, but focused her energy on labeling people as "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]" or "drunk". They think of the discussions they try to have with someone quoting a book without understanding the context of who said what to whom and why. They think of the same people protesting abortion clinics being against single moms and food stamps.

Annoying logic, and hackneyed quotes:
This person will ask "isn't being tolerant of everything but intolerance, itself, intolerant?" as if they found a cure for cancer. "Aren't you judging me by calling me judgemental?" And saying, "God made Adam and Eve.." and acting like you are profound because it rhymed, usually shows the lack of depth in understanding.

None of these fruits shows me the Spirit.

The way I practice my faith is by loving my neighbor as myself. I demonstrate it. If I don't have love for my enemy, I pray for it. I pray in private. I don't see others as "sinners" but as children of God, and allow the Spirit to work through me and in their heart, rather than demand others bend to my will. I pray to God and listen, rather than act as the mouth piece of God and demand obedience. I allow the Spirit to transform my heart, and then reach out in love - feed the hungry, listen to someone who needs to talk, whomever crosses my path. I never ask for anything in return, but suggest they pay it forward. I don't see people as sin, but the soul made and loved by God within. I admit I am still working on my faults, and pray about the plank in my eye, and ask God to remove it. Thrn I can help my brother remove the speck, but focusing on a speck of another, with a plank in your own, will only lead to poking out your brother's eye, making them as blind as you are.

So, I never understand what people mean by removing Christ from their church. Christ challenged his disciples to turn the other cheek, not to forgive 7 times but 70 x 7. He told people not to judge other's petty sins when they have gross sins of their own. He spent a lot of time talking about actively loving all people, of being forgiving, merciful, thankful, standing against injustice, returning curse with blessing.

My frustration with churches is the focus of sin especially the sin of others. The followers believe they are commanded by God to convince nonbelievers they are bad bc of their sin, and need to ask forgiveness to be saved from a tortuous hell from the angry Sky God. The focus of Jesus was to appease the Sky God's anger. He needed a sinless "virgin" of sorts, and if you activate it, asking him to forgive your sins, then you are saved. To an outsider, it is confusing. Why does a loving God need a blood sacrifice? Couldn't Herod have just killed Baby Jesus? How is a Christian vs non really different if both sin, and one asks for forgiveness, while the other tries to grow and mature from it? And if Jesus commanded you to love your neighbor, why aren't you known for it?

When I meet God, I want to show him the ways I loved, helped, comforted, forgave, knowing all commandments are fulfilled in loving my neighbor, as opposed to:

I didn't murder anyone.
I didn't steal anything...

I find Christians who have no love in their heart have a God of wrath and anger. Their false love is rebranded as "tough love" but no one buys it.
When Christians are known for their love, I will know that Christ has been put back into Christianity
 
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Do you possibly see the entire world losing whatever goodness they one had. I think it’s going to get much worse very quickly.
Worse than what?
When it was considered moral to have slaves, and whip them?
When white people lynched black people, and went to church with no guilt?
When it was illegal for women to vote?
When settlers arrived in what is now America and despite being welcomed, killed off the inhabitants?
When being blatantly racist was common?
When it was thought to be ok for a bunch of drunk guys to beat a gay guy to death, because he wasn't really human, and believed God justified it in Leviticus?

I can continue, but unclear how the world has become worse, when I could argue it is getting better.
 
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Worse than what?
When it was considered moral to have slaves, and whip them?
When white people lynched black people, and went to church with no guilt?
When it was illegal for women to vote?
When settlers arrived in what is now America and despite being welcomed, killed off the inhabitants?
When being blatantly racist was common?
When it was thought to be ok for a bunch of drunk guys to beat a gay guy to death, because he wasn't really human, and believed God justified it in Leviticus?

I can continue, but unclear how the world has become worse, when I could argue it is getting better.
The true born again Christian did not go along with what you’ve shared. If your looking for the truth, you will find it.
 
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I can continue, but unclear how the world has become worse, when I could argue it is getting better.

Hello Beanie. Yes I would say the world is becoming worse. The examples you posted, at the time of those ghastly events there were believers in the Lord rightly speaking out against those ghastly events. Christians spoke out against the slave trade, William Wilberforce in England for example passed a law banning the slave trade. Slavery, lynchings and brutality, God's people rightly spoke out against it.

However in our day it is becoming more difficult to get the church to speak out in truth. Isaiah 5:20. Indeed, speak out for the truth now and you will more likely than not find much of the church against you. God Bless :)
 
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I find that in civil society, especially relating to Christmas, it's all about Santa Claus and presents, which although are important are not THE underlying reason for Christmas, and that commercialization has been used to hijack and destroy its spiritual, religious and theological meaning. As for Christian churches, what are they about if they're not about Jesus Christ?
 
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Hello Beanie. Yes I would say the world is becoming worse. The examples you posted, at the time of those ghastly events there were believers in the Lord rightly speaking out against those ghastly events. Christians spoke out against the slave trade, William Wilberforce in England for example passed a law banning the slave trade. Slavery, lynchings and brutality, God's people rightly spoke out against it.

However in our day it is becoming more difficult to get the church to speak out in truth. Isaiah 5:20. Indeed, speak out for the truth now and you will more likely than not find much of the church against you. God Bless :)

Can you be more specific? Christ commanded us to love our neighbor as ourselves, and in so, love God.

The problem is, people then justify anything as "love" - "I told my Muslim neighbors they are going to hell, as I would want someone to do for me." Only, that isn't what you really want - for your Muslim neighbors to tell you that you are going to hell for not believing in Allah. I want nonChristians to respect my freedom of religion, and I will respect theirs. So, the "tough love" is a lie.

CF holds the view that homosexuality is against the Bible. I can respect that, as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of GLBTQ people. Can your church deny entry? Yes, but the congregation will have to explain why GLBTQ was denied membership, while people committing other sins were not, or why people who study the issue have videos on the issue debating it, but the congregation refused to listen. But again, there is a falsehood, like the GLBTQ is waiting outside that church's doors. Is it loving your neighbor to fire them, deny housing, medical care, based on sexual orientation? Is it loving to point to a GLBTQ person, call them a sinner, but refuse to admit your own sin, your self righteousness and pride, making the crucifixtion pointless for you?

Or are you talking about church's refusing to call people who divorce and remarry adulterers, as Christ did?

We are agreeing that there may be less Christ in churches, but for completely different reasons. My point is that Christ taught a lot about love. He told people to give more than asked, asking for nothing in return. He told the disciples to turn the other cheek, to forgive, rather than seek vengence. Recently, the Spirit showed me that forgiveness is for the person wronged, to free and heal them. The offended will say, "but he doesn't deserve it!" And I remember, I have never deserved my forgiveness. God granted it to me in mercy, so that I might do the same. The woman who washed Christ's feet with her tears, dried them with her hair, wasn't crying from guilt, but from the joy that Christ loved her, as she was, and that changed her. Previously, the Pharisees wouldn't even acknowledge people like her - "reprobate", beyond redemption. I've been told that. Even told by christians God hated me. I believed it and was quite suicidal, confused why Jesus Loves Me became God Hates You. It was a lie. I forgave. It was preinternet.

I don't want to speak for you, but many times when people claim Christ is being taken out of the Church, the look only to obedience, especially other people obeying their belief of what the book says. The focus on issues like abortion, paint it black and white, no exceptions, yet rarely focus on programs like food assistance for a single parent to support and feed the child after they are born. Again, untrue.

They focus on issues like gay marriage, but use faulty logic, or think "the bible says" is strong enough in a country founded on freedom of religion. The Religious Freedom Act is really a loophole to legally discriminate. Everyone knows. It's not even a good lie.
But there are 7 passages used in the bible.

Meanwhile, know how many discuss love, what real love is, forgiveness, mercy? So it is the straining of a gnat and swallowing a camel.

Please, don't agree nor dismiss what I say, but rather, in humility, take it to God, and ask for discernment of what was said.

Until Christians are known for their love, Christ is not within the Church.
 
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It’s not fashionable to proclaim Christ in today’s world.

There is a huge pet peeve I have, and that is people proclaiming Christ on Facebook, spreading false myths that FB banned the Lord's Prayer, etc. A simple search shows it is false. But my problem is proclaiming the name of Christ as the Pharisees did of the Father. The let everyone know how religious they were, and like priests today, you are revered by others. People believe you a good person.

But Christ said to the sheep and goats, "I was hungry, and you fed me/didn't feed me, etc. Where is Christ? The homeless guy asking for food, the single mom not knowing how she will make ends meet, the family from Mexico who fled violence who fears ICE...

Christ is you. Christ is me. I remember when I speak to each person, that I speak to them as if they were Christ.

It's easy to proclaim Christ is your saviour for everyone to hear in a country that is prodominately Christian, then do nothing. Real "tough love" is helping someone like the Samaritan helped the beaten man - because he had love and empathy, and asked nothing in return. Tough love is knowing someone does not deserve forgiveness, but showing mercy anyway. Tough love is standing up for marginalized people against those who oppress them, even the people of the Church. Tough love is not buying into consumerism that the polo horse on your shirt doesn't make you a better person. Tough love is admitting you may be wrong, that you may be worshipping your ego, not the Spirit.

That is how we should be known.
 
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