In God's 10 commandments, there is no reference to observing the Sabbath year, only the weekly Sabbath. Here is the reference for your knowledge:
Exodus 20
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Ten Reasons I'm a Sabbatarian [moved thread]
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In God's 10 commandments, there is no reference to observing the Sabbath year, only the weekly Sabbath. Here is the reference for your knowledge:
Exodus 20
Straining gnats and swallowing camels. Only ten commandments to obey? Nice!!! I can manage that.
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Try obeying God's 10 both in the Old Covenant (Literal) and New Covenant (Literal + Hearts & Mind) and see what happens. Once you start obeying the Word of God and the Spirit lives in you will be fruitful. God Bless
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The commandments are not for only some people, they are meant for all. If everyone kept Gods law-the way He intended us to, I bet it would be a lot like Heaven. I do hope you're sincere. I will pray for you.
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I am sure I answered this before, but the covenant on both the first and second covenant was made to the same people. It's for everyone.
1 John 5:2-3
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
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Hi Dok Bantis,
Thank you for your question. And no, I don't think it's stupid.
If you believe that the Bible is God's word to us in written form then the answer to your question can be found there.
The first use of the word Sabbath comes with the story of the manna in Exodus 16. God provided food for His people but they were to gather only as much as they needed. If they tried to save it til the next day it would stink and get maggots in it. But on the sixth day God told them they could collect a double portion because the next day was the Sabbath and they would not be able to go out and collect any food. There was a double miracle--the food could be kept over one day and not stink, and there was no manna on the Seventh day. This miraculous cycle continued for forty years while the children of Israel wandered in the wilderness. God did not allow the Israelites the option of choosing which day was the Sabbath. God knew which day was the seventh day of creation and He affirmed His holy day for those forty years so there can be no doubt which day it was.
Then too, Jesus would surely know which day was His holy day and if there was any problem with what day His people were observing He certainly would've corrected them. As it was, He made all sorts of corrections to their Sabbath misconceptions.
Humans were not given the opportunity to choose which day they were to rest. The Sabbath is a memorial of the creation event. It's a birthday
Just as you don't get to choose what day is your birthday, or on what day to celebrate Independence Day in America, so too the Sabbath is only on the day of God's choosing.I pray this helps.
But for the grace of God go I,cyspark
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Then I suggest that you carefully reread Exodus. I don't know about your Bible, but mine is quite explicit that Moses gave the covenant to Israel only and not to any Gentiles. In fact, I would like you to show me where in the Old Testament the covenant enacted on Mount Sinai was made with any Gentile nation.
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Sure, no problem.
First off, we agree that the first covenant was made with Israel. Did you know that the second covenant was as well? It does not say anything about the second covenant made specifically with Gentiles. Does that mean the Gentiles are not under any law? As much as many would like to think that is the case, its not accurate and could have some consequences.
Second Covenant
Hebrews 8:7-8
A New Covenant
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah
Just like the first covenant, the second covenant is made with Israel. Let's take a moment to understand what is the second covenant.
Hebrews 8:10
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
What laws? The only law God ever wrote-His 10 commandments. This is stronger language than before because now God wants us to not only keep the literal law, He wants us to keep the literal and spirit of the law. We obey His commandments because we love God with all our hearts and minds, not just because we have to.
God did not say His 10 commandments were written for Jews only. He repeats the importance of keeping His commandments throughout the bible and it never says Jews keep my commandments. Just a little common sense would tell you God does not want you to covet, vain His name, not keep His Sabbath Holy, kill, lie etc.
Ecclesiastes 12:13
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all. (notice it does not say Jews, it says man=all)
Here are several examples of scripture telling us the importance of keeping God's laws. John 14:15, 1 Kings 11:13, Psalms 78:7, Proverbs 10:8, 1 John 5:3, Mathew 7:21-22, Revelations 14:12, Revelations 22:14 THESE ARE JUST A FEW so anyone saying Gods laws are "done away" is going to have to explain themselves to our Creator because it really can't be anymore clearer than this.
Lastly, God made His laws for all including His Sabbath (4th commandment) Mark 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
Everyone is grafted into Israel, God is not coming back to save Jews only, He is coming back to save everyone who believes in Him, loves Him with all our hearts and obeys/do His commandments He provided as the perfect way to live. He saves us through His grace, but asked we keep His commandments over and over again.
Gentiles Grafted In
Romans 11:11-24, Zechariah 2:11
I pray this helps.
God Bless
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Hi Dok Bantis,
I appreciate your candor.
From my reading of the Scriptures the case for observing the seventh-day Sabbath is "clearly and unambiguously" made. It is only due to the traditions of early apostates that there is now contention regarding this issue.
Read the opening post and then notice how none of those objecting to it are able to supply a biblical response to counter the main and plain meaning of the Scriptures. Unless you have predetermined that the Sabbath is the one command out of the ten to be forgotten, then it is obvious that God wanted people to observe His only day at the end of every week in remembrance of His act of creation. Why would anyone wish to forget that?
Contrary to your self-deprecation your comments in this post appear to be coming from a place of wisdom.
You are correct. If God Himself wrote the Sabbath commandment, in stone, and spoke it for upwards of 3 million people to hear, then one would expect that if this command to remember was to be forgotten that it would be revealed to His people in a substantial way. As it is, according to what Sunday observers would have us believe, Christ's resurrection somehow supersedes the Sabbath with no word from Jesus or His apostles indicating such. Jesus never told His followers to honor His birth and we participate in His death in the act of baptism. So to observe Sunday in supposed honor of the resurrection is purely conjecture mixed in a jar of speculation.
I'm a Seventh-day Adventist and I'd be open to discussing any questions you have about the beliefs of my church.
God's word is "living and active." It can stand up to any honest scrutiny we bring to it. He promises that if you "lack wisdom" He will supply your need. Ask Him. Tell Him your concerns. Pray about your views and ask Him to lead you in the path He chooses.
God bless!
But for the grace of God go I,cyspark
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Thanks very much for your kind and patient words, Icyspark.
While I'm definitely not a "one issue" Christian, the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath seems to be a non-minor point. Thanks for offering to discuss any questions I may have. I'm looking up some info on the SDA church and will PM you with any questions that may come up.
I'll also go do some reading in the Traditional Adventists portion of the board.
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Ephesians 2:11 Therefore remember that previously you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who previously were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the hostility, which is the Law composed of commandments expressed in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two one new person, in this way establishing peace; 16 and that He might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the hostility. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were far away, and peace to those who were near; 18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
What did Jesus preach - the Law or peace?
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Law = Peace. If you follow the law you will have peace. Jesus peached on the law and peace, He is not one dimensional.
Jesus said John 14:
15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
And even provides the Holy Spirit to help us see the truth and KEEP the commandments.
And Jesus goes on to say:
John 14
19 “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
How many times does Jesus have to repeat Himself for it to be important to what He is saying?
Continued from John 14 same sermon
The Gift of His Peace
25 “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28 You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.
29 “And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe. 30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me. 31 But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave Me commandment, so I do. Arise, let us go from here.
1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
I hope you can see from clear scripture how important it is to keep God's Holy laws. So many Christians want to skip these clear scriptures for some reason. You don't need to justify it to me why these scriptures are not clear enough, I am not the one you need to answer to. Our God knows our hearts and thoughts, He is the one that asked to keep His perfect laws and He is the one who we all will need to answer to.
I pray this helps.
God Bless
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Better question, what role do you think Gentiles have in the first and second covenant based on the scriptures?
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It might be a better question and I was going there. However, let's stick to the original question, please.
What role, if any, do Gentiles have in the old covenant?
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Nope. Sorry, you did not address the role of the Gentiles in the old covenant in your Ten Reasons.
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