New Covenant - fulfilled?
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The seed is Christ. "because thou hast obeyed my voice". And by faith and acting on faith, people believe in Christ.
Believing in Christ, shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.
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If a person is using the Holy Spirit as their master teacher, as promised in John 14:26 and found fulfilled in 1 John 2:27, are they going to come up with an interpretation of scripture which nobody else on the planet agrees with?
Are they the only person on the planet who is guided by the Holy Spirit?
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If you believe Peter was confused on the Day of Pentecost, we understand who would be wrong.
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
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Because that "time past" were the "Last days" (last days of the old covenant). I do believe that was a unique time (all the physical healing, for instance) but that doesn't mean the Holy Spirit has ceased to guide and teach us....to stop leading us into Truth.
People can use Scripture (including pastors)....but only the Holy Spirit can "teach" or lead us to wisdom. Truth can be found in many places....many sources (even a donkey spoke Truth). Likewise....lies are also found in many places and even through unlikely sources. People can speak - in one sentence - a mixture of lies and Truth.....and only through our devotion to desiring to know the Truth through the Holy Spirit (abiding in Christ)can help us to decipher that.
I don't believe any one person (other than Jesus) has ever been the holder of all Truth....and it's idolatry to rely on any person to decipher what's True and what isn't.
James 1:5
Now if any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.
Now if any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.
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Without a correct timeline and proper understanding of how people groups were labeled......I'm not sure how some passages can be reconciled. Like these, for instance (notice the grammatical tense):
Ezekiel 39:23-24
And the nations will know that the house of Israel went into exile for their iniquity, because they were unfaithful to Me. So I hid My face from them and delivered them into the hands of their enemies, so that they all fell by the sword. 24I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and transgressions, and I hid My face from them.
Isaiah 45:17
But Israel will be saved by the LORD with an everlasting salvation; you will not be put to shame or humiliated, to ages everlasting.
Ezekiel 39:25-29
25Therefore this is what the Lord GOD says: Now I will restore Jacob from captivityf and will have compassion on the whole house of Israel, and I will be jealous for My holy name. 26They will forgetg their disgrace and all the treachery they committed against Me, when they dwell securely in their land, with no one to frighten them. 27When I bring them back from the peoples and gather them out of the lands of their enemies, I will show My holiness in them in the sight of many nations. 28Then they will know that I am the LORD their God, when I regather them to their own land, not leaving any of them behind after their exile among the nations. 29And I will no longer hide My face from them, for I will pour out My Spirit on the house of Israel, declares the Lord GOD.”
I agree.
But I think we need to keep in mind that this gathering was from "one end of the heavens to the other".....where David had been King (and David wasn't king on earth any longer....but in heaven).
Ezekiel 37:25
They will live in the land that I gave to My servant Jacob, where your fathers lived. They will live there forever with their children and grandchildren, and My servant David will be their prince forever
They will live in the land that I gave to My servant Jacob, where your fathers lived. They will live there forever with their children and grandchildren, and My servant David will be their prince forever
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As BABerean2 has already posted (yet this Scripture is ignored and pushed aside due to personal bias and expectation) the house of Israel and house of Judah were brought together under one King (Jesus) at Pentecost in 30 AD. John's gospel also testifies of their union in Christ:
John 11:50-52
50You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish.”51Caiaphas did not say this on his own. Instead, as high priest that year, he was prophesying that Jesus would die for the nation, 52and not only for the nation, but also for the scattered children of God, to gather them together into one.
50You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish.”51Caiaphas did not say this on his own. Instead, as high priest that year, he was prophesying that Jesus would die for the nation, 52and not only for the nation, but also for the scattered children of God, to gather them together into one.
What happened to geopolitical Israel in 1948 isn't a fulfillment of prophecy. Is David or his promised descendant (Jesus) ruling them? God did not pour out his Spirit prior to setting up the state of Israel in 1948, a requirement to bring them into the promised land. God prophesied through Jeremiah that no one would prosper sitting on the throne of David and ruling any more in Judah (Jeremiah 22:30). So, if Christ were on earth, He could not occupy the throne of David in geopolitical Israel.
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It's a progress. Following WWII, bringing the Jews out of the nations back into their own homeland, as one nation united, not two nations north and south. That happen and it's bible prophecy fulfilled May 14, 1948.
Next, Jerusalem back in the hands of the Jews, 1967, to establish the parable of the fig tree generation. Gentiles (the Muslims) still occupying the temple mount though. The Muslim occupation will end with Gog/Magog defeat in Ezekiel 38-39..
Then, the last 42 months of the 7 years, it will be EU occupying Jerusalem. The time of the gentiles ends when Jesus returns.
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Ezekiel, Isaiah, and Jeremiah didn't prophecy of a long process where "progress" is credited.
Slapping the name "Israel" on a modern nation is strictly a political move. There's really nothing that coordinates modern geopolitical Israel with Ezekiel's prophecy. But what's worse is that this belief has been chosen by many in exchange for what the Bible testifies of God fulfilling. IOW....what God has already accomplished is denied, when this belief is the framework in which a person filters the Biblical text.
Andy Stanley sums up the Gospel this way (quoting from linked article):
The Evangelical Reckoning Begins
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Abraham understood "homeland" this way....and the rest of prophecy also seems to point to this:
Hebrews 11:10
Abraham was confidently looking forward to a city with eternal foundations, a city designed and built by God.
Ezekiel 37:25
They and their children and their grandchildren after them will live there forever, generation after generation. And my servant David will be their prince forever.
Abraham was confidently looking forward to a city with eternal foundations, a city designed and built by God.
Ezekiel 37:25
They and their children and their grandchildren after them will live there forever, generation after generation. And my servant David will be their prince forever.
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The new Testament was ratified at the death of the testator, Jesus Christ. Fulfillment is the revealing of the New Heaven and the New Earth.
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What do you make of the Holy Spirit being poured out on the House of Judah and House of Israel recorded in Acts 2? Is that not fulfillment of Jeremiah's prophecy of restoration and reversal of the curse of sin? All the covenant blessings are intertwined....and by "covenant", I mean what's referred to as the "everlasting covenant"....the "covenant of peace"....the "new covenant"....they're all referring to the same covenant. Jeremiah prophesied that:
Jeremiah 31:31-34
Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. 32It will not be like the covenant
I made with their fathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of the land of Egypt—
a covenant they broke,
though I was a husband to them,g”
declares the LORD.33“But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the LORD.
I will put My law in their minds
and inscribe it on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
and they will be My people.34No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother,
saying, ‘Know the LORD,’
because they will all know Me,
from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD.
For I will forgive their iniquities
and will remember their sins no more.”(h)
Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. 32It will not be like the covenant
I made with their fathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of the land of Egypt—
a covenant they broke,
though I was a husband to them,g”
declares the LORD.33“But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the LORD.
I will put My law in their minds
and inscribe it on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
and they will be My people.34No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother,
saying, ‘Know the LORD,’
because they will all know Me,
from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD.
For I will forgive their iniquities
and will remember their sins no more.”(h)
.....to believe the New Covenant is not yet fulfilled means that one believes they (and everyone) are still dead in their sin.
Matthew seems to suggest otherwise:
Before Jesus, Ezekiel had prophesied:
Ezekiel 37:13
Then you, My people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them.
......Matthew wrote this:Then you, My people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them.
Matthew 27:50-53
50When Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, He yielded up His spirit. 51At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. 52The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people.
50When Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, He yielded up His spirit. 51At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. 52The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people.
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That is the covenant beginning.
When the old testament was fulfilled, it became obsolete because something better was now available.
So in the New Heaven and New Earth era, something better will be there since we will see Him and become as He is.
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