Help with Luke 18:7,8

Carl Emerson said:

I am fascinated with the final phrase in this passage.

Luke 18:
"...will not God bring about justice for His elect who cry to Him day and night, and will He delay long over them? 8 “I tell you that He will bring about justice for them quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?”

What is the link between the story and its message and His concern for the Elect.

Surely He will attend swiftly to those who pray day and night.

But what is the link between this, and finding faith on the earth?

Is it that the elect with needs met, will no longer pray day and night and become complacent?

Wisdom please...

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hope this helps Luke 18:8 -

Carl Emerson said:

I am fascinated with the final phrase in this passage.

Luke 18:
"...will not God bring about justice for His elect who cry to Him day and night, and will He delay long over them? 8 “I tell you that He will bring about justice for them quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?”

What is the link between the story and its message and His concern for the Elect.

Surely He will attend swiftly to those who pray day and night.

But what is the link between this, and finding faith on the earth?

Is it that the elect with needs met, will no longer pray day and night and become complacent?

Wisdom please...

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After Satan is loosed in Revelation 20, he and the world, Gog and Magog attack the kingdom of God. The gospel that once bound him for 1000 years falls on deaf ears worldwide and faith will all but have vanished.

“I tell you, God will help his people quickly. But when the Son of Man comes again, will he find those on earth who believe in him?”” Luke 18:8 (EXPNT)

Carl Emerson said:

Luke 18:
"...will not God bring about justice for His elect who cry to Him day and night, and will He delay long over them? 8 “I tell you that He will bring about justice for them quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?”

What is the link between the story and its message and His concern for the Elect.

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It looks like: the elect who cry to Him day and night = those who have faith on the earth.

So: will He find faith on the earth? = will He find elect who cry to Him day and night?

Carl Emerson said:

I am fascinated with the final phrase in this passage.

Luke 18:
"...will not God bring about justice for His elect who cry to Him day and night, and will He delay long over them? 8 “I tell you that He will bring about justice for them quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?”

What is the link between the story and its message and His concern for the Elect.

Surely He will attend swiftly to those who pray day and night.

But what is the link between this, and finding faith on the earth?

Is it that the elect with needs met, will no longer pray day and night and become complacent?

Wisdom please...

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In this parable, the widow is Israel as opposed to the Church which is a chaste virgin.
The city is the World.
An unjust judge is what God is not.

Since AD70, the jews have been a persecuted people and they have prayed and prayed for justice against their various adversaries all throughout the centuries. They will need to wait longer however because during the time of the great tribulation, the jewish people will be persecuted and they will again cry for deliverance. God will at that point, act for them.

There will be by this time, very little faith on the Earth because we know there will be a falling away and the worship of the Beast will be prevalent. That being said, there will be a great multitude saved. Revelation 7:9 Revelation 7:14

This parable is not just primarily for Israel but to teach us all not to give up in prayer but to keep our confidence in God. Luke 18:1

Hi, Carl . . .

One thing I consider is Jesus could mean He won't find faith on this earth as a whole, though there will be His "elect" who have faith > Matthew 24:31.

Right after this scripture you have quoted, the next parable we read is about the Pharisee looking down on the sinner who asks God to have mercy on him.

The Pharisee does not have acceptable faith because his faith is not "faith working through love" > Galatians 5:6. Jesus in sharing these two parables, then, first talks about an issue of faith being on the earth, but right after this He is talking about if the Pharisee has love for the sinner, and humility versus self-righteousness. So, I see He is concerned about faith which has us loving, not merely believing for our own selves and so we can get God to solve only our own troubles.

Even so, Jesus says the widow used her faith to get God to bring justice; so He is in favor of faith to move mountains, possibly a more practical sort of faith. So, ones might think Jesus means that all the persecution will have worn out our practical faith by the time when Jesus comes, even though we might keep on loving.

But Jesus says to be "ready" > Matthew 24:44. And when we see these things happening > "look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near." (in Luke 21:28) So, Jesus means for us to have faith to the end, and therefore to be looking up, not looking around and letting this world's stupid nonsense decide how we are ! ! ! ! But will the world as a whole have faith? no