Will Trump Be Vindicated Now That There Is A Vaccine

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....Trump launched Operation Warp Speed to combat the virus....
From the AP article cited in the OP, as others have noted:
Pfizer opted not to join the Trump administration’s Operation Warp Speed, which helped a half-dozen drugmakers accelerate their vaccine testing and helped fund the work. Instead, Pfizer funded all its testing and manufacturing costs itself. The company said it has invested billions of dollars.
I have no problem even if "Warp Speed" turns out to be irrelevant. The concept was worth a try.

Its pretty much every other aspect of Trump admin pandemic response that bothers me... especially careless and idiotic things like politicizing mask wearing.
 
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I already edited my post and clarified my meaning so please get over it.
How about this. What are some examples of Trump helping the situation with the virus? How has he made our response better than it could have been?
 
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I don't know, you'd have to ask Ms. Clinton. Is there any evidence that Pres-Elect Biden was listening to Ms. Clinton. There have been Republicans stating that Pres. Trump should concede, does that mean he has?

So what, exactly what Biden would say or do? My point was Hillary represents a major leader of influence among the Dems and to suggest that large numbers of them wouldn't agree with her I'd say is laughable. And the fact is it's really not bad or inappropriate to appeal the end result of an election so I'm not even saying she would be wrong. If one side feels they have concerns that need to be addressed then they have concerns they feel that need to be addressed. Period. Trump does and he should never be demonized or mocked for seeking recourse.
 
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Yes, how very strange... What DID she mean by that? If only there was some way to find out... Oh, wait, there is... By reading the whole quote. ^_^

“Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually, I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is. I think that they [Republicans] have a couple of scenarios that they are looking toward. One is messing up absentee balloting. They believe that helps them so that they then get maybe a narrow advantage in the Electoral College on Election Day so we've got to have a massive legal operation, and I know the Biden campaign is working on that."

So apparently she said that he shouldn’t concede until every vote is counted and then pursue the matter through the law and courts should they need to due to litigation from the other side.

I mean, counting every vote and then actively participate in resolving the matter through legal channels a radical idea I know, but it is what one typically does during elections.

Yeah so there you go. And I'm convinced Mr Biden would have followed her advise. If he had doubts on the election being just he would have advanced litigation. Trump does it though....what a no good guy!
 
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I already edited my OP. Please can we get past this.
Certainly. Perhaps in future you can write with accuracy and not describe radical differences as "splitting hairs", then we can focus on matters of importance.

So, as to the question asked in the thread title, I don't see that a vaccine vindicates Trump. I take "vindicates Trump" to mean "shows that Trump was justified in his actions related to the virus". (If you have a different maning for vindicate please let me know.)

A vaccine was going to emerge, because of global effort, with or without Trump, but let's say - for sake of argument - that this vaccine was a consequence of his efforts. (We know this was not the case for this specific vaccine, but one of the programs enabled by Trump would eventually have delivered.) Now, does the existence of the vaccine justify Trump's slow reaction to the crisis, misleading advice given to the public, failure to properly organise federal support, indifference to containment measures such as masks and social distancing, etc.? I don't see how it can. Do you?
 
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The liberals have been blaming Donald Trump for the virus even though what has happened was out of his control. Trump launched Operation Warp Speed to combat the virus. Now that a vaccine has been found will the liberals back off and stop blaming Donald Trump for the virus and his handling of it?

Fact Sheet: Explaining Operation Warp Speed

Pfizer says COVID-19 vaccine is looking 90% effective

Whatever happens in the next four years if it is positive, Biden will take credit for it and if it is negative he will blame Trump. Obama used that tactic I expect Biden to follow suit. Trump also used that tactic but he, unlike Obama did and Biden will, did not have a submissive press establishment eager to disseminate whatever propaganda the White House puts out.
 
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