Biden should have it all locked up today

Does Biden have the election wrapped up by now?

  • Yes, it's clear he will win, it's just a matter of time and math

    Votes: 39 79.6%
  • Yes, but he cheated

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No, it ain't over till it's over - Trump will still get more votes in the swing states remaining

    Votes: 4 8.2%
  • No, Trump and his people will take it to court and expose all the cheating by Biden and Democrats

    Votes: 8 16.3%

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That is very simple and easy to explain. They didn't think Trump would win in 2016. Very few people did back then. So they had not made any preparations to steal the 2016 election. If you're going to steal an election with fraudulent, fabricated ballots, you need to start preparing months beforehand. Only one problem though, after his 2016 win, Trump knew they would try to steal the 2020 election, so he put in place countermeasures. When the time is right, those countermeasures will be revealed, and the voting fraud will be exposed. Until that time comes, Trump just waits, and watches while they incriminate themselves by declaring results based on fabricated ballots.
You guys need to get over these image of Trump as some kind of Machiavellian genius. He’s not nearly that smart, and you’re getting your hopes up over nothing.
 
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Hitler was...Stalin was...
Correct...

Which is why we need to be careful about understanding what these people want to do by understanding the long term consequences of changing things that have worked successfully for over 200 years.
IE constitution or supreme court or method of elections.

I understand that Joe Biden was the Democrats presidential candidate...but he actually lost the primary Election to Bernie Sanders.

So why wasn't the candidate Bernie? He won it after all.... shouldn't he have been the candidate?
 
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I understand that Joe Biden was the Democrats presidential candidate...but he actually lost the primary Election to Bernie Sanders.

So why wasn't the candidate Bernie? He won it after all.... shouldn't he have been the candidate?

You're going to have to explain that to someone over seas as that's the first I'd heard of that happening and I followed your primaries.
 
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You're going to have to explain that to someone over seas as that's the first I'd heard of that happening and I followed your primaries.
It's right wing crap because they think Bernie would've been a softer target. Nomination by parties isn't the same as a straight up election, a fact lost on some people.
 
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You're going to have to explain that to someone over seas as that's the first I'd heard of that happening and I followed your primaries.

You don't remember when there were like 5-6 candidates for the democratic primary?

Well when the Democrats voted Bernie Sanders actually got more votes than any of the others. But then Biden was named the candidate. (Smokey backroom dealing going on)

When Bernie ran against Hillary he once again got the most votes and it was later proven that She cheated to make it look like she actually won.

I think that the guy has been shafted. He has more than won his turn...but the Democrat's party is controlled by a few who are filthy rich.
 
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You don't remember when there were like 5-6 candidates for the democratic primary?

Well when the Democrats voted Bernie Sanders actually got more votes than any of the others. But then Biden was named the candidate. (Smokey backroom dealing going on)

Oh I remember that quite well. And if I remember how your system works, the actual number of votes you got mean diddly squat. What matters is state by state basis, how many delegates you manage to gather. Sanders did quite well at the start, but Biden came from behind and in the later states, gathered more delegates on his side.
 
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I noticed to my surprise an hour or more back that Penn is reporting a Biden lead. It looked a couple of days back Biden was pretty sure to win having gotten Mich and Wis, and also Arizona and Nevada leads, but since Penn also is showing he pulled ahead, that's pretty final. And Georgia pulled even? wow.

We should all investigate the conspiracy that has Biden leading in GA.

1) The Secretary of State is Republican.
2) The person running the counting effort is Republican.
3) The governor is one of one of Trump's strongest supporters. He ignored everyone and opened GA early.

And just BTW, the governor was the Secretary of State that was accused of suppressing hundreds of thousands of votes, and many illegal actions in 2018 when he beat Stacy Abrams. As Secretary Of State, he did all he could to set the rules so that he could be elected governor.

And now, we are to believe that GA's governor has decided to enter into a conspiracy to stop Trump?
 
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Oh I remember that quite well. And if I remember how your system works, the actual number of votes you got mean diddly squat. What matters is state by state basis, how many delegates you manage to gather. Sanders did quite well at the start, but Biden came from behind and in the later states, gathered more delegates on his side.
Somewhat...votes should equal delegates...until you are talking about the Democrats. That's what I'm talking about.
Even though Bernie got the votes the delegates refused to vote for him. (Smell something bad yet?)
 
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Somewhat...votes should equal delegates...until you are talking about the Democrats. That's what I'm talking about.
Even though Bernie got the votes the delegates refused to vote for him. (Smell something bad yet?)

But they don't. Like votes doesn't equal electoral votes during the presidential election. Or should we go ahead and declare Biden the winner as he has a few million more votes? I mean, I'm used to the winner being determined by total votes here. But that's not the system in the US.
 
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Somewhat...votes should equal delegates...until you are talking about the Democrats. That's what I'm talking about.
Even though Bernie got the votes the delegates refused to vote for him. (Smell something bad yet?)

I just realized that you are arguing for an immediate win for Biden as Trump can't catch up on the general votes.
 
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Oh I remember that quite well. And if I remember how your system works, the actual number of votes you got mean diddly squat. What matters is state by state basis, how many delegates you manage to gather. Sanders did quite well at the start, but Biden came from behind and in the later states, gathered more delegates on his side.

Sanders won the first 3 primaries, and was behind in the POPULAR vote after the 4th primary. He finished with about half of the popular votes of Biden.

Results of the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries - Wikipedia
 
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I realize that not everybody has voted yet in the poll for this thread, but I'm going to call it for "Yes, it's clear he will win, it's just a matter of time and math"

I am a registered Democrat, after all - I'm good at using my cheating skills to call a winner before all the votes are in (but note that I waited till after the votes up till now were counted).

I learned this technique at my local Democratic Party's Karl Marx Klub Meetings!
 
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I just realized that you are arguing for an immediate win for Biden as Trump can't catch up on the general votes.

No...
Two different things.

But the popular vote inside of a state should elect electors or delagates.
The general popular vote going across state lines is not relevant to either candidate selection or general election. Never has been here.
 
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I realize that not everybody has voted yet in the poll for this thread, but I'm going to call it for "Yes, it's clear he will win, it's just a matter of time and math"

I am a registered Democrat, after all - I'm good at using my cheating skills to call a winner before all the votes are in (but note that I waited till after the votes up till now were counted).

I learned this technique at my local Democratic Party's Karl Marx Klub Meetings!

Soviet Armenia is back, eh? Привет, Товарищ!
 
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It's not actually possible to cheat in U.S. elections ballots and get away with it in most states, almost all I think, on the basis of actual ways they can check and verify the validity of ballots long after the election.

Most anything can be detected and and any actual cheating that is real (instead of just rumor or empty claims or false conspiracy theories) can be easily proven in a way that all sides would agree to, in most states.

Here's why --

Ballots can be (and often are) *Checked*, *Verified* in post Election Audits
If you want to trust politics and the voting process that is your decision, respectfully
 
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Why? Could you explain that? Why should the votes gathered matter in the other case but not the other?

In the Democratic party they should but don't...it's a political party and not demanded by constitution of how they conduct themselves. They constructed themselves to function in a similar fashion as the federal election for the president does by constitutional demands but then later amended themselves to do as they pleased.

There's been several political parties in America over the centuries. Federalist and antifederalist. Whig and I can't remember all of them.
 
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That's not an answer. Why should they?
It was a bit and switch from a long time ago. They promised one thing and did another.
People did not think they had an option. (They didn't)

Currently the ones who actually could restore the power to the people are more concerned with themselves and so they use the party to their advantage. People are sheep more often than not.
 
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