Trump declared his coup on national television

Speedwell · Nov 4, 2020

KCfromNC said:
There's also the minor issue that humans typically go to sleep at night and then return to work the next morning.

Are you saying that people's need to sleep at night is part of the sinister Democratic plot to steal the election? Why didn't Trump's people come up with that?

Triumvirate · Nov 4, 2020

Speedwell said:
Are you saying that people's need to sleep at night is part of the sinister Democratic plot to steal the election? Why didn't Trump's people come up with that?

Hey, not everyone can be propped upright with sudafed

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Nov 4, 2020

disciple Clint said:
Trump just put those who might be tempted to do anything illegal to influence the outcome of the election that they had best play by the rules because the courts will be checking to ensure that they do.

Your either lying or in complete denial.

JustSomeBloke · Nov 4, 2020

Triumvirate said:
Have some pride mate and stop copying this guff from across the pond

Have some pride, mate, and stop the ad-hominem, learn how to debate, and respond to what I posted. Although if you weren't awake to see it unfold, or didn't pay any attention, I can appreciate that you probably don't have anything useful, informative, or interesting to contribute.

Sparagmos said:
Dude. The results “stopped coming in” because most states have been called and it takes longer to count a mail in ballot than a tally from a machine. To imply that a mail in ballot is somehow inferior or inherently fraudulent is ridiculous.

Dude. The Associated Press declined to call states as a win for Trump that were showing as estimated over 90% of votes counted, and with a strong Trump lead. They certainly didn't exercise the same caution when they called Arizona for Biden with an estimate of 80% of votes counted. I also saw reports that people tasked with monitoring the election had been denied access to observe the counting of ballots. At the time that votes stopped being counted, I was watching the progress of the count in five states. Two of those states had Trump leads of 8% and 10%. In two other states Trump was also winning, but with smaller leads of 2-3%. In the fifth state, Biden had a small lead. Can anyone really blame Trump for smelling a rat when he had a good lead in most of the undeclared states, and the estimates showed that the majority of votes had already been counted?

Of course you also have to consider the bigger picture. The Democrats effectively wasted the last four years. Instead of learning from mistakes, developing policies that appeal to voters, and selecting a credible candidate, they tried everything to remove Trump from office, and spectacularly failed. In a mad panic, it seems highly likely that they hatched a plan to steal the election using mail-in votes in states with sympathetic Democrat administrations.

This will probably now be resolved by lawyers in courts, and I'm sure those fighting Trump's corner will have much more detailed data than what I've posted above from memory. Biden's lawyers will have to somehow convince a court that overturning Trump's strong lead with mail-in votes, was entirely legitimate and not at all fraudulent. I expect that when the Trump:Biden vote ratio is revealed for in person votes and mail-in votes there might be a very large difference. The only other option is that there were truckloads of mail-in votes, which raises the question as to why some states had far more mail-in votes than others.

Triumvirate · Nov 4, 2020

Cringe M8

It's called postal voting, in a tight race. We manage it fine here and without the political leadership having a tizzy and honking about "fraud". They can do it fine in the US too.

wing2000 · Nov 4, 2020

JustSomeBloke said:
Can anyone really blame Trump for smelling a rat when he had a good lead in most of the undeclared states, and the estimates showed that the majority of votes had already been counted?

I do blame him. As POTUS, his statements last night were irresponsible and a fundamental insult to anyone who values our democratic traditions. There are election workers doing their best to count the votes across our 50 states - as they have been doing for every election.

Sparagmos · Nov 4, 2020

JustSomeBloke said:
Have some pride, mate, and stop the ad-hominem, learn how to debate, and respond to what I posted. Although if you weren't awake to see it unfold, or didn't pay any attention, I can appreciate that you probably don't have anything useful, informative, or interesting to contribute.

Dude. The Associated Press declined to call states as a win for Trump that were showing as estimated over 90% of votes counted, and with a strong Trump lead. They certainly didn't exercise the same caution when they called Arizona for Biden with an estimate of 80% of votes counted. I also saw reports that people tasked with monitoring the election had been denied access to observe the counting of ballots. At the time that votes stopped being counted, I was watching the progress of the count in five states. Two of those states had Trump leads of 8% and 10%. In two other states Trump was also winning, but with smaller leads of 2-3%. In the fifth state, Biden had a small lead. Can anyone really blame Trump for smelling a rat when he had a good lead in most of the undeclared states, and the estimates showed that the majority of votes had already been counted?

Of course you also have to consider the bigger picture. The Democrats effectively wasted the last four years. Instead of learning from mistakes, developing policies that appeal to voters, and selecting a credible candidate, they tried everything to remove Trump from office, and spectacularly failed. In a mad panic, it seems highly likely that they hatched a plan to steal the election using mail-in votes in states with sympathetic Democrat administrations.

This will probably now be resolved by lawyers in courts, and I'm sure those fighting Trump's corner will have much more detailed data than what I've posted above from memory. Biden's lawyers will have to somehow convince a court that overturning Trump's strong lead with mail-in votes, was entirely legitimate and not at all fraudulent. I expect that when the Trump:Biden vote ratio is revealed for in person votes and mail-in votes there might be a very large difference. The only other option is that there were truckloads of mail-in votes, which raises the question as to why some states had far more mail-in votes than others.

Are you under the impression that states stop counting ballots when a news organization “calls” a winner? It’s Trump who wants to stop counting ballots, and the AP has no authority over the election in AZ.

Are you watching things closely, by county? If you were, you would understand why some news organizations are calling some states earlier in the count than others.

JustSomeBloke · Nov 4, 2020

wing2000 said:
I do blame him. As POTUS, his statements last night were irresponsible and a fundamental insult to anyone who values our democratic traditions. There are election workers doing their best to count the votes across our 50 states - as they have been doing for every election.

Sparagmos said:
Are you under the impression that states stop counting ballots when a news organization “calls” a winner? It’s Trump who wants to stop counting ballots, and the AP has no authority over the election in AZ.

Are you watching things closely, by county? If you were, you would understand why some news organizations are calling some states earlier in the count than others.

A little reading for you two.

Reports Of Election Interference Surface At Philadelphia Polling Locations

Reports Of Election Interference Surface At Philadelphia Polling Locations

RocksInMyHead · Nov 4, 2020

JustSomeBloke said:
A little reading for you two.

Reports Of Election Interference Surface At Philadelphia Polling Locations

Reports Of Election Interference Surface At Philadelphia Polling Locations

They've been investigated and found to be false or misleading:
https://twitter.com/i/events/132369...ce-surface-at-philadelphia-polling-locations/

wing2000 · Nov 4, 2020

JustSomeBloke said:
A little reading for you two.

Reports Of Election Interference Surface At Philadelphia Polling Locations

Reports Of Election Interference Surface At Philadelphia Polling Locations

That Federalist piece has nothing to do with what I wrote.

Albion · Nov 4, 2020

Sparagmos said:
Are you under the impression that states stop counting ballots when a news organization “calls” a winner? It’s Trump who wants to stop counting ballots, and the AP has no authority over the election in AZ.

Are you watching things closely, by county? If you were, you would understand why some news organizations are calling some states earlier in the count than others.

Did you watch the Trump speech in question? Once again, it's important to realize that the issue here is not simply about when to stop counting, but WHY. Also, the President was quite clearly upset that the news reporters were trying to make it seem that Biden was steaming to a certain victory...until, that is, the returns began to suggest that it was Trump with the momentum. So, at that point, reporting stopped.

jgarden · Nov 4, 2020

JustSomeBloke said:
Have some pride, mate, and stop the ad-hominem, learn how to debate, and respond to what I posted. Although if you weren't awake to see it unfold, or didn't pay any attention, I can appreciate that you probably don't have anything useful, informative, or interesting to contribute.

Dude. The Associated Press declined to call states as a win for Trump that were showing as estimated over 90% of votes counted, and with a strong Trump lead. They certainly didn't exercise the same caution when they called Arizona for Biden with an estimate of 80% of votes counted. I also saw reports that people tasked with monitoring the election had been denied access to observe the counting of ballots. At the time that votes stopped being counted, I was watching the progress of the count in five states. Two of those states had Trump leads of 8% and 10%. In two other states Trump was also winning, but with smaller leads of 2-3%. In the fifth state, Biden had a small lead. Can anyone really blame Trump for smelling a rat when he had a good lead in most of the undeclared states, and the estimates showed that the majority of votes had already been counted?

Of course you also have to consider the bigger picture. The Democrats effectively wasted the last four years. Instead of learning from mistakes, developing policies that appeal to voters, and selecting a credible candidate, they tried everything to remove Trump from office, and spectacularly failed. In a mad panic, it seems highly likely that they hatched a plan to steal the election using mail-in votes in states with sympathetic Democrat administrations.

This will probably now be resolved by lawyers in courts, and I'm sure those fighting Trump's corner will have much more detailed data than what I've posted above from memory. Biden's lawyers will have to somehow convince a court that overturning Trump's strong lead with mail-in votes, was entirely legitimate and not at all fraudulent. I expect that when the Trump:Biden vote ratio is revealed for in person votes and mail-in votes there might be a very large difference. The only other option is that there were truckloads of mail-in votes, which raises the question as to why some states had far more mail-in votes than others.

When a President takes the unprecedented step of unilaterally declaring himself the victor in the middle of the night, accusing his opponents of "srealing the election" and demanding that the Supreme Court stop the counting of ballots to prevent being voted out of office, that has effectively suspended the Constitution and placed American democacy in jeoporady!

Given the Judiciaty's role as the independent 3rd branch of government, the Supreme Court should be in the position of arbitrating such disputes - the net result of the short-term, politically expedient actions of the Republican Senate and this President concerning the appointment of justices, however, has been to diminished the Court's role to that of just another partisan, political arm of this White House in the eyes of much of the American public

If the Democrats were in the habit of "stealing elections" why would they have allowed Trump to benefit from his narrow victories in Michigan and Wisconsin in the 2016 Election, that were critical to obtaining 270 votes needed in the Electoral College?

Presumably, Republicans would have had no objections in 2016 had the then sitting-President Obama unilaterally declared Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton the winner in the middle of the night, accused the Republicans of trying to "steal the election" and demanded that the Supreme Court halt the vote count!

Yttrium · Nov 4, 2020

JustSomeBloke said:
The only other option is that there were truckloads of mail-in votes, which raises the question as to why some states had far more mail-in votes than others.

Because different states do things differently. My state was entirely mail-in.

Sparagmos · Nov 4, 2020

Albion said:
Did you watch the Trump speech in question? Once again, it's important to realize that the issue here is not simply about when to stop counting, but WHY. Also, the President was quite clearly upset that the news reporters were trying to make it seem that Biden was steaming to a certain victory...until, that is, the returns began to suggest that it was Trump with the momentum. So, at that point, reporting stopped.

Yes I watched the speech. It was a travesty. And I was also watching coverage on multiple networks and no one was portraying Biden as “steaming to certain victory.” In fact, TRUMP declared victory. The idea that counting should stop is preposterous. It’s disgusting that anyone would want any vote not to be counted when there is ample time to get all of the votes counted. As to reporting slowing down or stopping - is this your first election? Counting /reporting always slows down late at night, both because workers and observers need to sleep and because the last votes to be counted - mail in ballots and provisional ballots- take more time.

SimplyMe · Nov 4, 2020

Sparagmos said:
Yes I watched the speech. It was a travesty. And I was also watching coverage on multiple networks and no one was portraying Biden as “steaming to certain victory.” In fact, TRUMP declared victory. The idea that counting should stop is preposterous. It’s disgusting that anyone would want any vote not to be counted when there is ample time to get all of the votes counted. As to reporting slowing down or stopping - is this your first election? Counting /reporting always slows down late at night, both because workers and observers need to sleep and because the last votes to be counted - mail in ballots and provisional ballots- take more time.

Also, because accuracy is more important to those counting the votes, as it should be, then speed. As election workers get tired, the more likely it becomes that they'll make mistakes.

disciple Clint · Nov 5, 2020

Akita Suggagaki said:
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Only when they favor him. He follows no other rules.

It seems America wants a liar after all they have been lies to.

We deserve what we get.

I agree with your points if Biden becomes president we will have a liar and we will deserve exactly what we get. The only thing that will hold things in check will be the Senate.

disciple Clint · Nov 5, 2020

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:
Your either lying or in complete denial.

I wonder if the MODS will consider your post flaming? At the very least I consider it insulting and an undeserved personal attack.

SimplyMe · Nov 5, 2020

disciple Clint said:
I agree with your points if Biden becomes president we will have a liar and we will deserve exactly what we get. The only thing that will hold things in check will be the Senate.

The unintentional irony in this post is hilarious. We currently have a President who has told, and kept repeating known, debunked lies, than any other in history.

Triumvirate · Nov 5, 2020

A thought.

The "stop the count" rhetoric, if implemented, would have the effect of invalidating a lot of military votes.

If these idiots are serious about cheating their way into a coup, they may want to keep the army onside.

High Fidelity · Nov 5, 2020

Biden is now 0.1% behind Trump in Georgia with 2% of the expected votes left to count, mostly mail-in.

Trump is done, even without a win in GA, but that would be icing on the cake.

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