Is Sabbath a shadow?

mmksparbud said:

I'm sure LoveGodsword will have his own answer--- why do you continually just post part of a passage?


Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

It tells you there what law is done away with---contained in ordinances-----those are the Levitical laws---the ordinances that we have been saying is what was done away with. Why do you post only the parts you like and ignore the parts that say what the passage is really saying?

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If you read it again and again it gives you an idea of what Paul is trying to say..Gentiles by birth were excluded from covenant or citizenship in Israel...that is really clear!

BUT NOW through Christ Jesus We ( Gentiles) who are far off are made close through the blood of Christ...Ephesians 2:13..

So was the Abraham covenant or Sinai covenant BEFORE or AFTER THE BLOOD OF CHRIST? ( Crucifixion)..
Did Christ shed His Blood Before the old covenant OR After?

something to think about...

pasifika said:

Again Sabbath DOES NOT MEANS 7th Day...it means Rest...God Rested on the 7th Day Not You...Our Rest is at the day called “ Today”...

where does it say the church is to keep the 7th Day? You didn’t quote any specific verses...

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1 and~they(m)~will~be~FINISH(V) (וַיְכֻלּוּ / wa'ye'khu'lu) the~SKY~s2 (הַשָּׁמַיִם / ha'sha'ma'yim) and~the~LAND (וְהָאָרֶץ / wê'ha'a'rets) and~ALL (וְכָל / wê'khol) ARMY~them(m) (צְבָאָם / tsê'va''am)

RMT: and the skies and the land and all of their armies were finished,

2 and~he~will~much~FINISH(V) (וַיְכַל / wai'khal) Elohiym (אֱלֹהִים / e'lo'him) in~the~DAY (בַּיּוֹם / ba'yom) the~SEVENTH (הַשְּׁבִיעִי / hash'vi'i) BUSINESS~him (מְלַאכְתּוֹ / mê'lakh'to) WHICH (אֲשֶׁר / a'sher) he~did~DO(V) (עָשָׂה / a'sah) and~he~will~CEASE(V) (וַיִּשְׁבֹּת / wai'yish'bot) in~the~DAY (בַּיּוֹם / ba'yom) the~SEVENTH (הַשְּׁבִיעִי / hash'vi'i) from~ALL (מִכָּל / mi'kol) BUSINESS~him (מְלַאכְתּוֹ / mê'lakh'to) WHICH (אֲשֶׁר / a'sher) he~did~DO(V) (עָשָׂה / a'sah)

RMT: and Elohiym finished in the seventh day his business which he did, and he ceased in the seventh day from all his business which he did,

God does not need REST. The word is ceased---finished. This has been stated several times already!! He ceased His work and that is what we are to do---He made that day holy and sanctified --- For Himself???--Absurd!! He needs no reminder that He is God and that He created this world in 6 days!! Jesus said, He created it for man!! That is mankind--if you are a part of mankind, than that is whom He created it for!

OK____Don't you guys get tired of repeating yourselves and being told over and over and over---shown what the truth is---but still---you keep repeating the same arguments----Why is that??

pasifika said:

Again Sabbath DOES NOT MEANS 7th Day...it means Rest...God Rested on the 7th Day Not You...Our Rest is at the day called “ Today”...where does it say the church is to keep the 7th Day? You didn’t quote any specific verses...

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Repeating yourself does not magically make something not true become true dear friend. Your simply wrong but lets see why from God's Word so it may be a blessing and a help.

The Hebrew word for Sabbath is שׁבּת; shabbâth H7676 which is a descriptive noun or name of something that is kept every seventh day by resting (which is the verb H7673). The Hebrew word Sabbath in English means from one Sabbath to the next Sabbath. Specifically it means every Sabbath or every "seventh day". The "Sabbath" (Hebrew) comes from the root word to "rest" which is שׁבת; shâbath H7673 which is a verb for what it means to do Sabbath or Sabbath keeping and means to desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep sabbath, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

So no your wrong go do some research and see if what I am sharing with you is true or not true. I am quoting from the Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - H7676 and H7673 for your interest. So as you can see the Hebrew Word for Sabbath is a noun which is descriptive of every Sabbath or every "seventh day" or from one Sabbath to the next Sabbath, while resting is the root word verb for doing the Sabbath by resting.

Also, if your trying to quote Hebrews 4, your leaving out the context again which is demonstrated in Hebrews 4:1-5 that God's rest is in the seventh day Sabbath that those who did not believe and follow God's Word did not enter into because of their sins and unbelief in God's Word. This is a warning to us to believe and follow the gospel (Gods' Word) and summing up this experience of those who believe and follow God's Word by saying in HEBREWS 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH. No one enters into God's rest by not believing and following God's Word according to Hebrews 4:1-11

May you receive God's correction and be blessed

pasifika said:

If you read it again and again it gives you an idea of what Paul is trying to say..Gentiles by birth were excluded from covenant or citizenship in Israel...that is really clear!

BUT NOW through Christ Jesus We ( Gentiles) who are far off are made close through the blood of Christ...Ephesians 2:13..

So was the Abraham covenant or Sinai covenant BEFORE or AFTER THE BLOOD OF CHRIST? ( Crucifixion)..
Did Christ shed His Blood Before the old covenant OR After?

something to think about...

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The blood of the Lamb ALWAYS REPRESENTED CHRIST!!! And ALL who joined the Israelites were made a part of that covenant---All who joined with them. They were supposed to get the whole world to join them---instead the little buggers became exclusive instead of inclusive and decided that all Gentiles were unclean---God did not declare them so. Their acts were declared unclean---not the people---we are all His creation and anyone who wants to join with God becomes circumcised Jews in spirit. It was always meant to be for all---God wants all to be with Him. Not just the Jews.

pasifika said:

Hello LGW, the Gentiles were never part of the old covenant. The whole world were Not in Sinai when God made this covenant Only children of Israel...

Ephesians 2:11,12...Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised “ by those ( Israel) who called themselves circumcision...remember that at that time you (Gentiles) were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenant of the promise, without hope and without God in the world....

this to give you an idea of Who God made this covenant with..

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Your making things up now no one is talking about. Where did I ever say to you that Gentiles are a part of the Old covenant? If I have never said these things what is your argument? - You have none. That being said, God did make provision for Gentile believers even in the Old covenant to keep God's 4th commandment Sabbath. What do you think "and the strangers within thy gates" means in God's 4th commandment in Exodus 20:8-11? You do know dear friend that everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated through the new covenant right? (scripture support here). So what excuse do we have when every one of God's 10 commandments as written in the new covenant and their role is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when they are knowingly broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7? Gods' ISRAEL in the new covenant are all those who believe and follow Gods Word. *Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29; John 10:26-27; There is no more Jewish and Gentile believers according to the scriptures *Ephesians 2:11-13; Galatians 3:28-29; Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13. Gentiles are now grafted in *Romans 11:13-27. If you are not a part of God's Israel you have no part in Gods' new covenant promise of a new heart to love *Hebrews 8:10-12 (from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:25-27).

May you receive Gods Word and be blessed.

LoveGodsWord said:

Repeating yourself does not magically make something not true become true dear friend. Your simply wrong but lets see why from the God's Word. The Hebrew word for Sabbath is שׁבּת; shabbâth H7676 which is a noun name of something that is kept every seventh day or from one Sabbath to the next Sabbath. Specifically it means every Sabbath or every "seventh day". The "Sabbath" (Hebrew) comes from the root word to "rest" which is שׁבת; shâbath H7673 which is a "verb" for what it means to do Sabbath or Sabbath keeping means to desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep sabbath, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away. So no your wrong go do some research and see if what I am sharing with you is true or not true. I am quoting from the Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - H7676 and H7673 for your interest. So as you can see the Hebrew Word for Sabbath is a noun which is descriptive of something while resting is a verb for doing something.

Also, if your trying to quotes Hebrews 4, your leaving out the context again which demonstrated in Hebrews 4:1-5 that God's rest is in the seventh day Sabbath that those who did not believe and follow God's Word did not enter into because of their sins and unbelief in God's Word. This is a warning to us to believe and follow the gospel (Gods' Word) and summing up this experience of those who believe and follow God's Word by saying in HEBREWS 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH. No one enters into God's rest by not believing and following God's Word according to Hebrews 4:1-11


May you receive God's correction and be blessed

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This conversation was encounter by Jesus and the Apostles with Pharisees and Teacher of law..is still continue to this day.. and end at the Judgement..

pasifika said:

This conversation was encounter by Jesus and the Apostles with Pharisees and Teacher of law..is still continue to this day.. and end at the Judgement..

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Indeed as well as the devils children that seek to break God's law as shown in the scriptures provided in 1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 7:21-23 and Hebrews 10:26-31. Many will be disappointed *Matthew 22:14; Matthew 7:13-23 come judgement day we are told in the scriptures having a form of godliness thinking they were saved but were lost *2 Timothy 3:1-5 because they closed their eyes and ears to hearing Gods' Word *Matthew 13:13. One thing we can take comfort though is that Gods' Sheep hear His Voice (the Word) and follow him those that do not hear and do not follow according to the scriptures are not God's sheep *John 10:26-27. Yep many are going to be disappointed come judgement day when they find out they had the chance to hear God's Word but instead choose to reject it and finding out only too late that God now rejects them.

LoveGodsWord said:

Your making things up now no one is talking about. Where did I ever say to you that Gentiles are a part of the Old covenant? If I have never said these things what is your argument? - You have none. That being said thought God did make provision for Gentile believers even in the Old covenant. What do you think "and the strangers within thy gates" means in God's 4th commandment in Exodus 20:8-11? You do know dear friend that everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated through the new covenant right? (scripture support here). So what excuse do you now have when God's 10 commandments in the role of Gods 10 commandments in the new covenant is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when they are knowingly broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7? Gods' ISRAEL in the new covenant are all those who believe and follow Gods Word. *Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29; John 10:26-27; There is no more Jewish and Gentile believers *Ephesians 2:11-13; Galatians 3:28-29; Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13. Gentiles are now grafted in *Romans 11:13-27. If you are not a part of God's Israel you have no part in Gods' new covenant promise of a new heart to love *Hebrews 8:10-12 (from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:25-27).

May you receive Gods Word and be blessed.

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My point is for you to stop promoting old covenant commandments to the church... where the 4th command is included...

LoveGodsWord said:

Indeed as well as the devils children that seek to break God's law as shown in the scriptures provided in 1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 7:21-23 and Hebrews 10:26-31. Many will be disappointed come judgement day we are told in the scriptures having a form of godliness thinking they were saved but were lost because they closed their eyes and ears to hearing Gods' Word.

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Yes the law just showed us that we are evil and deserve God's wrath...BUT THE LAW DOES NOT CHANGE YOUR WAYS...you NEED THE SPIRIT...A Gift!

mmksparbud said:

The blood of the Lamb ALWAYS REPRESENTED CHRIST!!! And ALL who joined the Israelites were made a part of that covenant---All who joined with them. They were supposed to get the whole world to join them---instead the little buggers became exclusive instead of inclusive and decided that all Gentiles were unclean---God did not declare them so. Their acts were declared unclean---not the people---we are all His creation and anyone who wants to join with God becomes circumcised Jews in spirit. It was always meant to be for all---God wants all to be with Him. Not just the Jews.

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The BLOOD OF CHRIST IS NOT THE SAME AS BLOOD OF A LAMB....is your blood the same as animal blood?
Did the verse in Ephesians said we draw near by the blood of a lamb or Christ?

pasifika said:

My point is for you to stop promoting old covenant commandments to the church... where the 4th command is included...

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I have only promoted what is in the new covenant dear friend. What is it that you think that I have shared with you that is not in the new covenant scriptures?

pasifika said:

Yes the law just showed us that we are evil and deserve God's wrath...BUT THE LAW DOES NOT CHANGE YOUR WAYS...you NEED THE SPIRIT...A Gift!

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Where did anyone say the law changes your ways? - Yep no one said it anywhere. As posted to someone else, we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of words lest any man should boast *EPHESIANS 2:8-9. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *PHILIPPIANS 2:13 as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We now keep God's commandments because we have been born again to love. We do not keep God's commandments to be saved but because we love JESUS *John 14:15; John 15:10; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:10-11; 2 John 1:5-6; 1 John 5:2-3

pasifika said:

The BLOOD OF CHRIST IS NOT THE SAME AS BLOOD OF A LAMB....is your blood the same as animal blood?
Did the verse in Ephesians said we draw near by the blood of a lamb or Christ?

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What did I say?? Get a dictionary---R E P R E S E N T S!!! You got a problem with how God set up how He wanted Himself represented? It was for a time until He, Himself, would be sacrificed. This is how God did it----argue with Him about it.

LoveGodsWord said:

As shown through the scripture and only sent in love and as a help to you, your teachings are not biblical. You seem to not be hearing and have closed your eyes to the scriptures shared with you in love so I think this is where our conversation finishes and I will pray that God may help you and see you in his Kingdom dear friend. Only Gods' Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break God's commandments.

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Thank you LGW, but I have Not closed my eyes to scripture BUt I have closed my ears to your teachings ...

pasifika said:

Thank you LGW, but I have Not closed my eyes to scripture BUt I have closed my ears to your teachings ...

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Only God's Words has been shared to you dear friend and God's Word is not mine but God's so you are free to believe as you wish as they are God's Word not mine. Thanks for the discussion but I now think it's time for me to pack away the pearls and leave it between you and God to work through. My prayer is that I might see you in God's kingdom and that you will receive and be blessed by His Word.

LoveGodsWord said:

Where did anyone say the law changes your ways? - Yep no one said it anywhere. As posted to someone else, we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of words lest any man should boast *EPHESIANS 2:8-9. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *PHILIPPIANS 2:13 as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We now keep God's commandments because we have been born again to love. We do not keep God's commandments to be saved but because we love JESUS *John 14:15; John 15:10; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:10-11; 2 John 1:5-6; 1 John 5:2-3

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Aren't we are warn to CHANGE our ways otherwise we face God's fury? So what is the point of you promoting a law which doesn't do me or others that read it any good? If it doesn't change a sinner to be Righteous then?

pasifika said:

Aren't we are warn to CHANGE our ways otherwise we face God's fury? So what is the point of you promoting a law which doesn't do me or others that read it any good? If it doesn't change a sinner to be Righteous then?

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Just was is your problem with the word of God? This is not our opinion but God's. You are not the point of these discussions. It is for all those who are watching---so that they will see the truth and see through the distortions of the word of God. At the end of time there will be only God's way or His adversaries and we will not stop with spreading the truth of God---It is what He said to do. If you do not want to accept it--that is your free choice. My free choice (so far) is to proclaim it. And you are wrong---it has changed the hearts of many---thousands are seeing this truth every day and accepting it. You do whatever you want. What you do not have the right to do is telling anyone what they can or can not say---not yet anyway. Scripture is scripture---you've been shown it, not anyone's opinion.

pasifika said:

Aren't we are warn to CHANGE our ways otherwise we face God's fury? So what is the point of you promoting a law which doesn't do me or others that read it any good? If it doesn't change a sinner to be Righteous then?

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Yes, we are to change our ways and it's a good point. I am not sure why you don't feel under the law of God. Do you believe Jesus is coming back? If so, please read these scriptures in the last book of the Bible before the second coming....

Revelations
12:17 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
(why is the devil enraged by keeping God's commandments, if we are not under the law)

Revelations 14
12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. The commandments of God are found in Exodus 20 and it includes the 4th commandment that asked us to Remember (opposite of forget) His Holy day- seventh day Sabbath

Gods promise to us
Revelations
22 12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

So you see, this is not our testimony, its the word of God. He is coming back and by grace is going to save us, but three times in this chapter alone it says we are under the law of God.

God Bless

Saint Steven said:

Not at all.
He was deconstructing the law in preparation for grace.

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your rebellion is deep...”deconstructing”...LOL...

Remove the Law and there is no need for grace...

Why not change the law that the wages of sin is a balloon drop with cake and a pony?

Change the Law so His life would be spared? That would be grace...

As you know, he was Lord of the Sabbath, so it was his call.

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and His call was it is GOOD to save lives and heal and works of righteousness on a day made Holy...mercy rather than sacrifice...

Had they learned THAT there would be NO NEED for plan B its temple showbread and sacrifices...but Plan A maintains the Sabbath made for Man BEFORE the need of sacrifices and grace...

Why deconstruct the very Law that enshrines our rights to adoption and inheritance...which His death now guarantees...

To deconstruct the Sabbath would be as ridiculous as the Lord of London destroying the very city which authorizes his power...or the Lord of the Rings deconstructing his rings into a door nail? That would be dumb as one...

Do you remember the story about gathering heads of wheat/corn on the Sabbath?
What reasons did he give to justify his actions?

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To remove the Law of the Sabbath so they could eat Sunday Ham...NOT rest and make money 7 days a week...NOT give up their pleasure for one day...

I mean He is Lord of the Sabbath come to deconstruct His Father’s ways and will...divide His kingdom between those that do vs those that claim they don’t need to...right?

because He lied when He said He did not come to deconstruct the Law...

because He lied when He said “I do not change”

pasifika said:

Yup the old covenant requires men to do what God said read Exodus 19 how this old covenant is established...

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yup requires ALL men and as not just the Sabbath was made for man...

and BY FAITH...saved first...and then the giving of the Law to be kept...Not to keep to be saved but because all man was saved...now they WISH to keep the Law...love of Him makes it not burdensome

so yes the people are the problem because they cannot follow a righteous law...

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sure they can...while in the wilderness this ekklesia His bride followed His living oracles and every day of atONEment they were spared for the next years keeping of the “do this and live “

until they didn’t...which the law was not designed to do but to point out sin and a need of Him the Hope of Isreal

under the new covenant is God who fulfilled and made us walk and follow His law Not men...

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same “My Laws” in circumcised hearts and Christlike “inner Jew” minds...nothing about My NEW laws or edited revised version 2.0 Laws

So you are following a law( old covenant) out of your own understanding and interpretation Not God...

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wait wut?...HERE ARE THEY that what? keep most of the His Law...9/10ths?

“Go into ALL???teaching them to observe 9/10ths of what I have commanded you”...lol

Yes the Sabbath was made for man...it didn’t say the 7th day Sabbath? Sabbath does not mean 7th day it means rest...

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Rest of a day after six of work...you can show the Jews wrong on their counting please share...

Sabbath is specific as a root word to a seventh day in many other languages even...the same day as the seventh one Jews keep...

Sabbath as a day is as specific as a trunk of an elephant...or a beak of a bird...or snout of a pig...

but you would put a trunk on a bird and a beak on a pig?

“A nose is a nose is a nose” lol