Is Sabbath a shadow?

LoveGodsWord · Oct 25, 2020

Saint Steven said:
The BOOK is called the Law of Moses, but the laws are from God. The only law that Moses created on his own was the certificate of divorce.

Matthew 19:7-8
“Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.

The book of Moses is also called the book of the covenant as it also made up the old covenant *Exodus 24:7, many do not understand what the old covenant was and what it is in the new covenant that it pointed to is seems.

Saint Steven · Oct 25, 2020

imge said:
God Bless that we all find the narrow path that leads to Salvation.

This is a reminder of the rules. From the Statement of Purpose of this forum:

Although the Law of God is pleasing to a believer it is not a necessary requirement for salvation. (Psalms 119:174; Galatians 3:10, Galatians 5:18)

We've had some issues with this lately. Please remember that you cannot promote the idea that the Law must be kept in order to attain salvation.

Source: ALL READ - Law -based salvation

LoveGodsWord · Oct 25, 2020

Saint Steven said:
To whom was it written? (the Israelites in the wilderness) Deuteronomy 5:1-3Moses summoned all Israel and said:Hear, Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today.

That argument does not really fly in the new covenant Steve, as Gods' ISRAEL are all those who believe and follow Gods Word. *Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29; John 10:26-27; There is no more Jewish and Gentile believers *Ephesians 2:11-13; Galatians 3:28-29; Colossians 3:11 ; Romans 10:11-13. Gentiles are now grafted in *Romans 11:13-27. If you are not a part of God's Israel you have no part in Gods' new covenant promise of a new heart to love *Hebrews 8:10-12 (from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:25-27).

LoveGodsWord · Oct 25, 2020

Saint Steven said:
This is a reminder of the rules. From the Statement of Purpose of this forum:

Although the Law of God is pleasing to a believer it is not a necessary requirement for salvation. (Psalms 119:174; Galatians 3:10, Galatians 5:18)

We've had some issues with this lately. Please remember that you cannot promote the idea that the Law must be kept in order to attain salvation.

Source: ALL READ - Law -based salvation

No one said God's law is a requirement for salvation. All the law does is give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25. According to Gods Word (not mine) we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of words lest any man should boast *EPHESIANS 2:8-9. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *PHILIPPIANS 2:13 as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50 according to JESUS. Do you believe these scriptures shared with you dear friend?

SabbathBlessings · Oct 25, 2020

Saint Steven said:
This is a reminder of the rules. From the Statement of Purpose of this forum:

Although the Law of God is pleasing to a believer it is not a necessary requirement for salvation. (Psalms 119:174; Galatians 3:10, Galatians 5:18)

We've had some issues with this lately. Please remember that you cannot promote the idea that the Law must be kept in order to attain salvation.

Source: ALL READ - Law -based salvation

I never said you need to follow the law for salvation, I don't even believe that. We are saved by grace, but God asked us to obey His commandments. This is how we show God our love, by obeying.

I quoted the Bible Mathew 7:13 13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

You were the one saying its better to be in the majority, I was quoting Bible scripture that states otherwise.

God Bless

LoveGodsWord · Oct 25, 2020

Bob S said:
Hold on there partner not so fast, now you have to re-interpret verse 25 to conclude all your findings like you did with verse 24. If, in fact, all that the "facts" you have assembled why does Paul go on in verse 25 to tell us the Jews are no longer under the Law? 24 Wherefore the law is was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Probably best to look beyond just the one verse next time LGW.

Not in any hurry dear friend. I have been waiting for you. Although most of this has been addressed in the previous post to you including your claims of having to re-interpret v25 which was also included in the previous post to you. Did you read it? Perhaps you missed it? Recapping you were shown that the original Greek use of G1096 γέγονεν which means "HAS BECOME" in the Greek is "perfect indicative active" (present tense) so it is impossible to be "WAS" which is past tense in the English. This is why those 15 different bible translations have translated the Greek word γέγονεν in Galatians 3:24 to "HAS BECOME" which also means "IS" because it is "perfect indicative active" (present tense) in the Greek (links provided). Your questions are already answered also in the same post. As posted from the last post....

The scripture continues...

[24], Therefore the Law has become our tutor/schoolmaster/guardian to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith. [25], But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor/schoolmaster/guardian.

Note the scriptures are not saying that God's law is abolished like some teach. It is saying that the purpose (perfect indicative active) of the law is to bring us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith and the whole idea of the law is every time we sin in our lives it is to bring us to Christ as to be "Under the law" according to Romans 3:19 we stand guilty before God of sin. When faith has come and the law leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith we are not longer guilty before God "Under the law" but forgiven through faith *Romans 8:1-4

Bob S said:
Concerning Rom 3:31 might I refer you to the verses preceding verse 31? I glean from those verses that gentiles were never under the law now does it, yet we are sinners. Now how could that be LGW? Verse 31 is not telling us we are under the law. If it were so then that one verse would undermine all the previous verses. You use that one verse as a proof text to prove your belief and come to find out it is like many verses used to only undermine the message Paul is so elegantly teaching us. Gentiles are and never have been under the laws of the Sinai covenant. To try to teach that somehow we are now under it because Paul uses the word "establish" is a false teaching and trying to convince us otherwise should end immediately.

Your post makes no sense here Bob, sorry I do not know what your talking about. Perhaps you need to explain yourself a little better. Romans 3 continues on from Romans 2 and in both chapters Paul is arguing all both JEWS and Gentiles are all under sin. Gentiles that do not know the law are just as much sinners not knowing the law as Jew who have been given Gods' Law and know it. This continue in Romans 3:9-10 where Paul says; [9], What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;[10], As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one. Then continues these same thoughts to Romans 3:19-20 where Paul says what it means to be "under the law" where he says " [19], Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Woo did you catch that? To be "under the law" means to be guilty before God of sin. The whole world stand guilty before God because the law v20 gives us the knowledge of what sin is. Pretty powerful stuff hey? God's Word is not false teachings Bob, it is the truth of Gods' Word and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:3-9.

Bob S said:
Now as to the word "was" used in Gal 3. Seems like even the translation of "was" can be cherry picked. And of course you used the one that had leaning to the word "is". The one I used doesn't lean in that direction. Most of the Bible translations do not lean to the word "is" either. I wonder why some people think their meaning of certain words in the Bible are so much better than the scholars that did the translating? Do some people believe we cannot trust any Bibles because of faulty translations. How do you translate verse 25 to agree with your translation of verse 24?

The is repetition already being answered in the previous post and in the previous section of this post. The reason given that agree with the 15 bible translations there were provided earlier is that when looking at the original Greek the bible translations that the original Greek use of G1096 γέγονεν which means "HAS BECOME" in the Greek is "perfect indicative active" (present tense) so it is impossible to be "WAS" which is past tense in the English. This is why those 15 different bible translations have translated the Greek word γέγονεν in Galatians 3:24 to "HAS BECOME" which also means "IS" in the Hebrew Greek Dictionary reference I provided in the last post because it is "perfect indicative active" (present tense) in the Greek (links provided).

As posted from the last post....

The scripture continues...

[24], Therefore the Law has become our tutor/schoolmaster/guardian to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith. [25], But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor/schoolmaster/guardian.

Note the scriptures are not saying that God's law is abolished like some teach. It is saying that the purpose (perfect indicative active) of the law is to bring us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith and the whole idea of the law is every time we sin in our lives it is to bring us to Christ as to be "Under the law" according to Romans 3:19 we stand guilty before God of sin. When faith has come and the law leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith we are not longer guilty before God "Under the law" but forgiven through faith *Romans 8:1-4

Your welcome and hope this is helpful dear friend.

mmksparbud · Oct 25, 2020

Saint Steven said:
This is a pretty blatant claim that those who do not observe the Sabbath are damned to hell. Thus inferring that salvation is by the works of the law. Yet you all seem to claim that salvation is NOT by works. Explain.

There you go again, switching everything I said to suit your silly claims. You really have refused to understand anything that has been said---you've been told over and over and over----no one is going to hell for sabbath breaking right now for the mark of the beast is not in force! I mean, you've been told that time after time after time. You've been shown, at the end time it is all about worship---just from the very beginning, it is about worship and obedience to God. It is God that decides how and when He wants to be worshipped. At the last days that is what everything boils down to---how and when to worship Him, . Read Revelation and not the interpretations of man. READ IT!!

Rev_3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Rev_4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
Rev_9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev_11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev_13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev_13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev_13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev_14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Rev_14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev_14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Rev_15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.
Rev_19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Rev_22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Rev_22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

What do you see???? WORSHIP. What was the problem in heaven, what did Lucifer want? What did Satan want at the temptation of Jesus? He wanted to be God, he wanted to be WORSHIPPED. What was the problem at the Garden---obedience, which is who you are listening to which means, whom do you WORSHIP! What was the problem with Cain and Abel?---sacrifices, obedience, which is all about WORSHIP!! What is the problem at the end of time? WORSHIP! Start to finish WORSHIP!!
We are at the time of the end----we have not yet gotten to the END OF TIME. It is as simple as whom you will WORSHIP and if it is not the way God says--then who's way is it??? You you are not for Him, than you are against Him. It is that simple!! You've been shown this and still you refuse to see it and want to change it around to we are claiming that non-sabbath keepers go to hell----that is not what we are saying and you are just trying to distract, distort and flame. What does worship consist of---HOW AND WHEN. What is it all about at the very end---HOW AND WHEN TO WORSHIP GOD!!!

All we are saying is don't be fooled, mislead, distracted, into thinking that this is about anything other than whom, how and when to WORSHIP!

Have to go before you get what you want---a reason to close this thread so you don't have to answer or listen to the tough stuff. All you have to do is read the scriptures without your preconceptions. God is not vague---He wants everyone to be with Him. Believe it or not, that is all we want---for everyone to be with God and I want you to be there to so we may worship Him together. This is not works--this is obedience to God because we love Him and He died for us and one day a week doing what He says and being with Him and WORSHIPPING Him, is not a huge impossible thing to do for Him!

LoveGodsWord · Oct 25, 2020

Bob S said:
#1096 γίνομαι ginomai {ghin'-om-ahee}

a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb;
TDNT - 1:681,117; v

—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
2) to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
2a) of events
3) to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage
3a) of men appearing in public
4) to be made, finished
4a) of miracles, to be performed, wrought
5) to become, be made

Thank you Bob, this is agreeing with what has just been shared with you and disagreeing with you. I am surprised you cannot see this to be honest though.

Bob S said:
Wherefore the law is was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Was = finished. Was = to become. Once again when you use the word "is" in verse 24 you negate verse 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Hmm nope because the Greek word used for G1096 γέγονεν in v24 which means "HAS BECOME" in the Greek is "perfect indicative active" (present tense) therefore cannot mean "WAS" in reference to past tense indicative. Click on the Greek link.

Hope this is helpful

Bob S · Oct 25, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Not in any hurry dear friend. I have been waiting for you. Although most of this has been addressed in the previous post to you including your claims of having to re-interpret v25 which was also included in the previous post to you. Did you read it? Perhaps you missed it? Recapping you were shown that the original Greek use of G1096 γέγονεν which means "HAS BECOME" in the Greek is "perfect indicative active" (present tense) so it is impossible to be "WAS" which is past tense in the English. This is why those 15 different bible translations have translated the Greek word γέγονεν in Galatians 3:24 to "HAS BECOME" which also means "IS" because it is "perfect indicative active" (present tense) in the Greek (links provided). Your questions are already answered also in the same post. As posted from the last post....

The scripture continues...

[24], Therefore the Law has become our tutor/schoolmaster/guardian to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith. [25], But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor/schoolmaster/guardian.

Note the scriptures are not saying that God's law is abolished like some teach. It is saying that the purpose (perfect indicative active) of the law is to bring us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith and the whole idea of the law is every time we sin in our lives it is to bring us to Christ as to be "Under the law" according to Romans 3:19 we stand guilty before God of sin. When faith has come and the law leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith we are not longer guilty before God "Under the law" but forgiven through faith *Romans 8:1-4

Your post makes no sense here Bob, sorry I do not know what your talking about. Perhaps you need to explain yourself a little better. Romans 3 continues on from Romans 2 and in both chapters Paul is arguing all both JEWS and Gentiles are all under sin. Gentiles that do not know the law are just as much sinners not knowing the law as Jew who have been given Gods' Law and know it. This continue in Romans 3:9-10 where Paul says; [9], What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;[10], As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one. Then continues these same thoughts to Romans 3:19-20 where Paul says what it means to be "under the law" where he says " [19], Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Woo did you catch that? To be "under the law" means to be guilty before God of sin. The whole world stand guilty before God because the law v20 gives us the knowledge of what sin is. Pretty powerful stuff hey? God's Word is not false teachings Bob, it is the truth of Gods' Word and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:3-9.

The is repetition already being answered in the previous post and in the previous section of this post. The reason given that agree with the 15 bible translations there were provided earlier is that when looking at the original Greek the bible translations that the original Greek use of G1096 γέγονεν which means "HAS BECOME" in the Greek is "perfect indicative active" (present tense) so it is impossible to be "WAS" which is past tense in the English. This is why those 15 different bible translations have translated the Greek word γέγονεν in Galatians 3:24 to "HAS BECOME" which also means "IS" in the Hebrew Greek Dictionary reference I provided in the last post because it is "perfect indicative active" (present tense) in the Greek (links provided).

As posted from the last post....

The scripture continues...

[24], Therefore the Law has become our tutor/schoolmaster/guardian to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith. [25], But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor/schoolmaster/guardian.

Note the scriptures are not saying that God's law is abolished like some teach. It is saying that the purpose (perfect indicative active) of the law is to bring us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith and the whole idea of the law is every time we sin in our lives it is to bring us to Christ as to be "Under the law" according to Romans 3:19 we stand guilty before God of sin. When faith has come and the law leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith we are not longer guilty before God "Under the law" but forgiven through faith *Romans 8:1-4

Your welcome and hope this is helpful dear friend.

No, verse 25 may not say the law is abolished, but verse 19 is a different story. 19 Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 25, 2020

Bob S said:
No, verse 25 may not say the law is abolished, but verse 19 is a different story. 19 Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people.

Not really Bob, I prefer the bible

Romans 3:19-20 [19], Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law.

Romans 8:4 [4], That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Matthew 5:17-20 [17], Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. [18], For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. [19], Whoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. [20], For I say to you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

To many scriptures to post Bob that have been shared with you already that disagree with your teachings. Something to pray about Bob.

Hope this helps.

Bob S · Oct 25, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
The new moons are for times and seasons. Not sure about your but I believe Gods' Word when it says in Isaiah 66:22-23 [22], For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, said the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.[23], And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, said the LORD. Not looking too good for those who knowingly break God's 4th commandment when James says those who knowingly do so is sin *James 2:10-11; James 4:17.

So then you would also believe Is 65 where it tells us we will live to be over 100. It tells us we won't remember our past, but verse 24 of Is 66 tells us we will go out and be among the dead bodies on the Sabbath. Is 65 tells us babies won't die at an early age. I was told there would not be marriage in Heaven. Is 65 tells us only the cursed will die young. Cursed in Heaven???

Now to breaking the Sabbath. Sometimes like this I wish I could float around in vision and allow my angel to take me to Sabbath "keepers" and observe their thoughts and actions. Ellen was able to do that seeing horrible photographs she observed as she was floating through the homes of the flock. I would be able to get a real accurate picture of just how those who tell the rest of us we have to keep Sabbath in order to be saved keep it. Ellen wrote that not one in twenty SDAs were ready for translation. That is less than one in twenty. Could she have meant that the flock was disregarding the Sabbath rules? I know that when I was a Sabbath observer I couldn't live up to the expectations required by the commandment. My peers were guilty of the same sins. Oh, we had a few people that everyone thought were pious. One was later found out to be a cigarette smoker. I wonder if he/she ever broke the Sabbath too.

Well, I can only appeal to all of you to tell us that you really do keep Sabbath and just how you are able to accomplish this feat, and tell us why you try to keep a law that was given only to Israel as a command of the now defunct old covenant.

Bob S · Oct 25, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Not really Bob, I prefer the bible

Gal 3:19 is not the Bible??????

Romans 3:19-20 [19], Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law.

Romans 8:4 [4], That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

To many scriptures to post Bob that have been shared with you already that disagree with your teachings. Something to pray about Bob.

Hope this helps.

What about Gal 3:19? Are you saying Paul spoke out of both sides of his mouth. Please don't divert Gal3:19 by other texts taken out of context. Just answer verse 19.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 25, 2020

Bob S said:
Gal 3:19 is not the Bible?????? What about Gal 3:19? Are you saying Paul spoke out of both sides of his mouth. Please don't divert Gal3:19 by other texts taken out of context. Just answer verse 19.

Galatians 3:19 does not say Gods law is abolished like your teaching Bob. It is teaching what is written and continued in Galatians 3:22-25 and that is that Gods law is our teacher or schoolmaster or tutor to lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith. The purpose of God's law written in Galatians 3:19 of course is in agreement with what Paul writes in Romans 3:20 and Romans 7:7 and that is God's law gives us a knowledge of what sin is when broken. It teaches us that we are all sinners in need of God's forgiveness and salvation from sin. God's salvation is from sin (breaking God's law) not continuing in sin. If we knowingly continue in sin we will die according to the scriptures *Hebrews 10:26-27

Your welcome.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 25, 2020

Bob S said:
So then you would also believe Is 65 where it tells us we will live to be over 100. It tells us we won't remember our past, but verse 24 of Is 66 tells us we will go out and be among the dead bodies on the Sabbath. Is 65 tells us babies won't die at an early age. I was told there would not be marriage in Heaven. Is 65 tells us only the cursed will die young. Cursed in Heaven???

Now to breaking the Sabbath. Sometimes like this I wish I could float around in vision and allow my angel to take me to Sabbath "keepers" and observe their thoughts and actions. Ellen was able to do that seeing horrible photographs she observed as she was floating through the homes of the flock. I would be able to get a real accurate picture of just how those who tell the rest of us we have to keep Sabbath in order to be saved keep it. Ellen wrote that not one in twenty SDAs were ready for translation. That is less than one in twenty. Could she have meant that the flock was disregarding the Sabbath rules? I know that when I was a Sabbath observer I couldn't live up to the expectations required by the commandment. My peers were guilty of the same sins. Oh, we had a few people that everyone thought were pious. One was later found out to be a cigarette smoker. I wonder if he/she ever broke the Sabbath too.

Well, I can only appeal to all of you to tell us that you really do keep Sabbath and just how you are able to accomplish this feat, and tell us why you try to keep a law that was given only to Israel as a command of the now defunct old covenant.

Sorry Bob, let me know when you want to talk scripture. For me only God's Word is true *Romans 3:4 and we should believe and follow it *Acts of the Apostles 5:28 over the teachings and traditions of men that seek to break the commandments of God. JESUS warns us about this in his very own words in Matthew 15:3-9

pasifika · Oct 25, 2020

Saint Steven said:
Grace and the law; like oil and water. (don't mix)

John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Galatians 2:21
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Great understanding of scriptures...a foundation build on the rock remains strong..

pasifika · Oct 25, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Until you add the context back in then you will see there is no mention of God's 4th commandment Sabbath at all anywhere in Romans 14 and it is talking about eating and not eating on days that men esteem over other days not and judging others in this regard.

Maybe because the 7th day commandment Never mentioned to the church ( Jews & Gentiles) as a day to keep...

LoveGodsWord · Oct 25, 2020

pasifika said:
Maybe because the 7th day commandment Never mentioned to the church ( Jews & Gentiles) as a day to keep...

Thank you for agreeing with me that Romans 14 is not about the Sabbath. The rest of your statement however is not biblical, I prefer the bible...

HEBREWS 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

MARK 2:27 THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN AND NOT MAN FOR THE SABBATH

MATTHEW 12:8 THEREFORE THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.

MATTHEW 24:20 But pray you that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day

May you receive Gods' Word and be blessed. Ignoring it according to the scriptures becomes our judge come judgement day *John 12:47-48

pasifika · Oct 25, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
That argument does not really fly in the new covenant Steve, as Gods' ISRAEL are all those who believe and follow Gods Word. *Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29; John 10:26-27; There is no more Jewish and Gentile believers *Ephesians 2:11-13; Galatians 3:28-29; Colossians 3:11 ; Romans 10:11-13. Gentiles are now grafted in *Romans 11:13-27. If you are not a part of God's Israel you have no part in Gods' new covenant promise of a new heart to love *Hebrews 8:10-12 (from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:25-27).

Hello LGW, the Gentiles were never part of the old covenant. The whole world were Not in Sinai when God made this covenant Only children of Israel...

Ephesians 2:11,12...Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised “ by those ( Israel) who called themselves circumcision...remember that at that time you (Gentiles) were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenant of the promise, without hope and without God in the world....

this to give you an idea of Who God made this covenant with..

pasifika · Oct 25, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Thank you for agreeing with me that Romans 14 is not about the Sabbath. The rest of your statement however is not biblical, I prefer the bible...

HEBREWS 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

MARK 2:27 THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN AND NOT MAN FOR THE SABBATH

MATTHEW 12:8 THEREFORE THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.

MATTHEW 24:20 But pray you that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day

May you receive Gods' Word and be blessed. Ignoring it according to the scriptures becomes our judge come judgement day *John 12:47-48

Again Sabbath DOES NOT MEANS 7th Day...it means Rest...God Rested on the 7th Day Not You...Our Rest is at the day called “ Today”...

where does it say the church is to keep the 7th Day? You didn’t quote any specific verses...

mmksparbud · Oct 25, 2020

pasifika said:
Hello LGW, the Gentiles were never part of the old covenant. The whole world were Not in Sinai when God made this covenant Only children of Israel...

Ephesians 2:11,12...Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised “ by those ( Israel) who called themselves circumcision...remember that at that time you (Gentiles) were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenant of the promise, without hope and without God in the world....

this to give you an idea of Who God made this covenant with..

I'm sure LoveGodsword will have his own answer--- why do you continually just post part of a passage?

Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

It tells you there what law is done away with---contained in ordinances-----those are the Levitical laws---the ordinances that we have been saying is what was done away with. Why do you post only the parts you like and ignore the parts that say what the passage is really saying?

Is Sabbath a shadow?

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