Confusion regarding Un-Christian behavior and being saved

ThisIsMe123 · Oct 4, 2020

I was talking to a friend of mine, whom I talked to about a former co-worker that did some "un-Christian-like" behavior that they had to take action.

Small story short, she's no longer there, and the boss and other co-workers were talking about her and how her actions were un-Christian-like, even though she's a bon-a-fide Christian braggart (openly vocal) about her Christianity.

Some were like, "Yeah, that's why I can't stand Christians" further cementing their point even further regarding their view on Christians.

My friend says to me, "What is considered 'un-Christian'?" "Un-Christian...according to whom?" and so forth. Who says it's "un-Christian" as she claims to be "saved".

So apparently, bad, un-Christian-like behavior is in no correlation with being "saved"?

My friend was like "Christians are held to a higher standard, but what standard to what they are referring" and then I guess others out there go, "See! That's un-Christian!" and so on.

When this context is put into play, how does being saved correlate with this woman's behavior at work?

According to most people working there, she was the most miserable person to work with, and most were glad she left.

Dansiph · Oct 4, 2020

ThisIsMe123 said:
I was talking to a friend of mine, whom I talked to about a former co-worker that did some "un-Christian-like" behavior that they had to take action.

Small story short, she's no longer there, and the boss and other co-workers were talking about her and how her actions were un-Christian-like, even though she's a bon-a-fide Christian braggart (openly vocal) about her Christianity.

Some were like, "Yeah, that's why I can't stand Christians" further cementing their point even further regarding their view on Christians.

My friend says to me, "What is considered 'un-Christian'?" "Un-Christian...according to whom?" and so forth. Who says it's "un-Christian" as she claims to be "saved".

So apparently, bad, un-Christian-like behavior is in no correlation with being "saved"?

My friend was like "Christians are held to a higher standard, but what standard to what they are referring" and then I guess others out there go, "See! That's un-Christian!" and so on.

When this context is put into play, how does being saved correlate with this woman's behavior at work?

According to most people working there, she was the most miserable person to work with, and most were glad she left.

I don't know what she did so I can't comment much on that.

It's frustrating when people disparage Christianity because of Christian people's bahaviour. I've seen it happen. The thing is Christians don't usually claim to be sinless. I also don't think the reputation of Christianity is balanced on this woman's actions and the opinions of a group of co-workers.

They're not being fair in my opinion. Something I would remind of them of (hypothetically) is if they were to become Christian do they think they'd suddenly be perfect people?

bottoWordx · Oct 4, 2020

You have to believe God came to save us from all our sins. It's a simple start.

Amittai · Oct 4, 2020

ThisIsMe123 said:
... did some "un-Christian-like" behavior that they had to take action.

Small story short, she's no longer there, and the boss and other co-workers were talking about her and how her actions were un-Christian-like, even though she's a bon-a-fide Christian braggart (openly vocal) about her Christianity.

... how does being saved correlate with this woman's behavior at work?

According to most people working there, she was the most miserable person to work with, and most were glad she left.

The telling thing is the open braggart and the misery guts.

It's sad that she was sold a non-existent gospel. One has to grow into "be-ing" saved, it is not yet a permanent state.

(I presume the firm used reputable standards for "taking action", as you don't give any grounds for supposing they hadn't.)

tdidymas · Oct 4, 2020

ThisIsMe123 said:
I was talking to a friend of mine, whom I talked to about a former co-worker that did some "un-Christian-like" behavior that they had to take action.

Small story short, she's no longer there, and the boss and other co-workers were talking about her and how her actions were un-Christian-like, even though she's a bon-a-fide Christian braggart (openly vocal) about her Christianity.

Some were like, "Yeah, that's why I can't stand Christians" further cementing their point even further regarding their view on Christians.

My friend says to me, "What is considered 'un-Christian'?" "Un-Christian...according to whom?" and so forth. Who says it's "un-Christian" as she claims to be "saved".

So apparently, bad, un-Christian-like behavior is in no correlation with being "saved"?

My friend was like "Christians are held to a higher standard, but what standard to what they are referring" and then I guess others out there go, "See! That's un-Christian!" and so on.

When this context is put into play, how does being saved correlate with this woman's behavior at work?

According to most people working there, she was the most miserable person to work with, and most were glad she left.

Many years ago I was laid off from my job because my work performance was diminishing due to the fact that I was posting on Christian forum during work hours. Whether management knew I was posting or not is unknown, but the fact that Christians ought to live by a higher standard, and should show exemplary behavior and work performance, is the issue. Although that was many years ago, and it's likely long forgotten, and I'll be forgiven in regard to my heavenly citizenship, I still have to live with the fact that my witness for Christ was not up to par at that time. "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good deeds, and glorify your Father in heaven." People generally know what Christian behavior should look like, and someone who appears as a hypocrite is commonly called "unchristianlike."
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( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) · Oct 4, 2020

Lol. Define "Christian" and being "saved".

Jesus said by their fruits you'll know them. He also said that they'll be many say to Him one day, Lord Lord, didn't we do this and that and many other things. Then one of the saddest words ever to be recorded in scripture: "I never knew you. Depart from me, you that work iniquity."

Miles · Oct 5, 2020

There are people like that in every group, Christian or not. A jerk is a jerk. Her salvation is between her and God. How she treats others, however, is all on her.

My response to somebody saying "That's why I can't stand Christians" would be
"That's why I can't stand jerks."

It's appropriate to label behavior that contradicts Christian ideals as unchristian, even if most Christians were to engage in that same behavior. We aspire to our ideals; hopefully moving in that direction. They don't arrive fully-formed.

Just don't fall into the trap of claiming that no "true Christian" would act a particular way. That's a red herring, and we don't know where she stands before God. Maybe she really is a Christian but has other issues... who knows? What we can say, however, is whether her behavior is consistent with Christian values.

Sif · Oct 6, 2020

I find people can often act is awful ways and sometimes they try to justify their awful behavior being a group/ideology/World view/etc. they identify with. The person's bad behavior usually has nothing to do with the group/ideology/World view/etc. they are using to excuse their awful behavior.

Sadly, often people will use that bad person's behavior to justify their own dislikes and attitudes toward a group. I am guilty of this, certainly. I have had rather negative experiences with Christians in the past and used those experiences to have a very negative view and attitude toward Christians and Christianity as a whole. I then had good encounters with Christians and my views started to evolve.

I left a non-Christian group I was a part of when I saw they were having the same negative attitude and actions toward Christians they accused Christians of having toward us and the non-Christian group we were with. Pointing out that fact did not win me any friends and, obviously, I left that group.

I am better now that I used to be (but need to get much better) at not having a negative view/opinion of a whole group based on the bad actions of a few individuals.

ThisIsMe123 · Oct 7, 2020

Sif said:
I find people can often act is awful ways and sometimes they try to justify their awful behavior being a group/ideology/World view/etc. they identify with. The person's bad behavior usually has nothing to do with the group/ideology/World view/etc. they are using to excuse their awful behavior.

Sadly, often people will use that bad person's behavior to justify their own dislikes and attitudes toward a group. I am guilty of this, certainly. I have had rather negative experiences with Christians in the past and used those experiences to have a very negative view and attitude toward Christians and Christianity as a whole. I then had good encounters with Christians and my views started to evolve.

I left a non-Christian group I was a part of when I saw they were having the same negative attitude and actions toward Christians they accused Christians of having toward us and the non-Christian group we were with. Pointing out that fact did not win me any friends and, obviously, I left that group.

I am better now that I used to be (but need to get much better) at not having a negative view/opinion of a whole group based on the bad actions of a few individuals.

Right, it does often make sense how this can be confusing and a lot of us wind up demonizing a certain group based on their behavior. Trump supporters are a classic example (Sorry to bring politics to this as an example, lol)

I know an atheist that is CONSTANTLY be-rating Christians on Facebook, so it's tit-for-tat.

bèlla · Oct 7, 2020

Salvation and sanctification aren't one in the same. We excel in some places and fall short in others. Our willingness to change differs. Some have greater malleability than the next. But we cross the line nonetheless.

Bragging drew attention to her shortcomings. Its better to show our light than talk about it.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella

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