This goes to the heart of the matter.No, but that isn't what this discussion is about. Or wasn't about when it started.
What do you mean by "creed book?"
Not to my knowledge. Of course, there are a jillion books that different people have written on some aspect of religion or other, but that doesn't sound like what you are referring to.Creed book - A book written by men which either adds to or subtracts from the word of God (the bible).
Every denomination has one.
2 Peter 1:3 doesnt mention bibleThe bible is complete and sufficient (2Peter 1:3) (2Tm. 3:14-17) (James 1:25).
2 Peter 1:3 doesnt mention bible
2 Tim 3:14-17 doesnt mention bible
James 1:25 doesnt mention bible.
Just keeping it real.
but the verses you quote dont say anything about the bible yet alone claiming it is complete.The bible is complete and sufficient (2Peter 1:3) (2Tm. 3:14-17) (James 1:25).
which is totally different than what you said before.All of the verses were referring to the revelation of the Lord.
You first said
but the verses you quote dont say anything about the bible yet alone claiming it is complete.
Then you say:
which is totally different than what you said before.
So which claim do you want me to say true/false to, the first or the second?
no, I am challenging YOU not to read more into what the scriptures actually say.It seems you have misunderstood the scriptures I posted.
I was pointing out the scriptures you are referring to DO NOT reference the Bible.The scriptures need not mention the bible since they are found within the bible.
ok, but ALL the words Jesus spoke ARE NOT in the bible.The Holy Spirit was to help the Apostles remember "ALL" the words Jesus spoke to them (the apostles). (Jn 14:26 ; 16:13)
ok, but you must first prove that all things pertaining to life and godliness are included in the bible. Which you cannot prove.We learn in (2Peter 1:3) the Lord gave the Apostles "all things pertaining to life and godliness".
see previous 2 posts(Jas. 1:25) uses the word Perfect (or complete).
the scriptures Timothy knew from his youth is the Tanakh, not the Bible.2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
no, I am challenging YOU not to read more into what the scriptures actually say.
I was pointing out the scriptures you are referring to DO NOT reference the Bible.
ok, but ALL the words Jesus spoke ARE NOT in the bible.
ok, but you must first prove that all things pertaining to life and godliness are included in the bible. Which you cannot prove.
see previous 2 posts
the scriptures Timothy knew from his youth is the Tanakh, not the Bible.
Listen, it is up to you to beleive that the bible alone is to be followed. But since it is not scriptural, dont be surprised if others dont do as you do.
dont fault me if I stick with what Christ taught over what you teach. God blessI am not surprised at all people refuse the truth. (Acts 28:24)
dont fault me if I stick with what Christ taught over what you teach. God bless
we have thousand of denominations due to division. Leaders have their 'own' understanding and opinions after they read the bible. It's sad I think it's how the Lord want it to be done. If you read the church history all the way up to now, you'll see godly servants of the Lord broke from their origin church and start their own denomination, some turned out to be good and some became really bad, in short no perfect church. Well it's sad and hard to swallow to see so much division for someone who's new to the faith but it's the reality.
I personally believed God is in charge of this, until Jesus's 2nd coming it will stay what is it, what do you think?
(different groups or churches is challenging to a new believer, he might ask 'so which church/community should I go to?')
I can see that anyone that doesnt agree with you or YOUR interpretation of scripture (even though you have failed to substantiate your interpretations) is at fault. Good luck.Ga 6:1 ¶ Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
I can see that anyone that doesnt agree with you or YOUR interpretation of scripture (even though you have failed to substantiate your interpretations) is at fault. Good luck.
I can see that anyone that doesnt agree with you or YOUR interpretation of scripture (even though you have failed to substantiate your interpretations) is at fault. Good luck.
They do not all get along fine and I know this b/c they have buildings which separate each other during worship, they have creed books which do not harmonize with each other. (1Cor.1:10) (Phil. 3:16-19)
The Church established by Christ is in the Bible ecclesia, and it denotes God's people throughout time, both old testament and new.
The church in the Bible is not only us who are alive today, but those already passed from this life...
However, that doesn't stop us having church buildings or local congregations, as we see in Acts of the Apostles 11:19-26 the mention of the church in Antioch.
Revelations mentions the 7 local church congregations back in that time, all of which had particular challenges to overcome.
There is a universal church that spans time and space, of which all believers are a member of, and then there are local congregations. Sometimes those local congregations have challenges they need to overcome, but of which God's people also belong.
Part of being the body of Christ means also to be part of a local body as well, where we may carry out things like baptism, like the Lord's Supper, like the encouragement and edifying of believers as we ourselves are being edifyed and encouraged.
So there are two things when speaking of the Church, not one. One is universal across time and space, and one is local.
Local is more likely to have a place to congregate in than not, but it's not in order to "divide", it's in order to congregate regardless of weather while carrying out the particular edicts of our faith in the physical.
A particular challenge of our faith is that the wheat and the tares will grow together until the harvest, which is most clearly seen in local congregations, but even still, doesn't stop or prevent Christ's Church from being just that, His Church.
We still have no idea what you mean by "creed books."