Why did The Archangel Michael contend with the devil about the body of Moses in Jude 1:9 ? (Repost)

Would he have possessed?(not sure if he can do this) or done something with the body to deceive the Hebrews

I don't know for sure, but could the purpose of the words be to advise us not to rant? Just thinking aloud here, for what it's worth. What if it might be that even in the important situation that the Archangel faced, he didn't bring a reviling accusation (such as I think you're a no-good jerk, devil) but kept the communication to what was defensible and accurate (the Lord rebuke you, devil). And if an Archangel would have been in a more experienced position to defend the choice of words by being better prepared to battle if needed, so we ought to be likewise careful in how we handle words. We overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony, not any reviling accusations. Another name found for this character is the Accuser, so it fits in my thinking that accusations are his business, not ours. Just thoughts, in case they fit.

Moses was resurrected and taken to heaven. This is why he appears along with Elijah at the transfiguration. Moses was not allowed to enter into the promised land--Canaan---God had something better in mind for him---the real promised land, with Him.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

*** I accidentally posted this in the wrong section, so I posted it again here. ***


Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

• Jude 1:9


So, What / Why was the reason for the dispute ?

What was it about ?

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God was not done with Moses, and Moses belonged to God.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

Right, But what was the dispute about though ?


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Satan was not happy with this!! He wanted to claim Moses for himself, for he had struck the rock twice. He just plain did not want to have Moses raised up and go to heaven.

Moses killed an Egyptian man who was beating a Hebrew. The Egyptian was acting lawfully in as much as the Egyptian understood. Moses acted unlawfully according to the Egyptian law. Moses' body would become like our bodies were before sin. That's like back to square one to Satan.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

Right, But what was the dispute about though ?


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The story is Talmud...
Creative stories invented to fill in blanks that the Bible doesn't say.... like what Cain said to Abel to get him into the field.

It was a popular story in that day and time. "The Assumption of Moses" is the title of the piece of writing. One they all would know...just like Yoda quotes from Star Wars are popular today.

Maybe an answer might be in an extra-biblical book, my commentary says the story is quoted out of the "Assumption of Moses'. It must not be important enough for us to worry about. The hidden things belong to God. Jude also quotes out of the book of 1 Enoch. It looks like he was quoting these non-canonical books to support a point. So in my mind, at least what is quoted is true.

The thing is he was buried in a secret location. So, put 2+2 together, I would say Satan wanted it for nefarious purposes, like usual. He could of thought he was entitled to know the location? Maybe he held the keys of death and Hades before the cross? It's all speculation really. We know Jesus is slowly taking back the earth from Satan. (Luke 4:5-7) One day it will be completed.

17When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, 18and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.

The point Jude makes, is unlike false teachers, Michael did not disrespect Satan, or curse him, but rebuked him by the Lord. The whole book is a warning against false teachers and ungodly souls in the congregation, and how to know them by what they say and do.

1Now Moses went up from the plains of Moab to Mount Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, which is opposite Jericho. And the LORD showed him all the land, Gilead as far as Dan, 2and all Naphtali and the land of Ephraim and Manasseh, and all the land of Judah as far as the western sea, 3and the Negev and the plain in the valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, as far as Zoar. 4Then the LORD said to him, “This is the land which I swore to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, saying, ‘I will give it to your descendants’; I have let you see it with your eyes, but you shall not go over there.” 5So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. 6And He buried him in the valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth-peor; but no man knows his burial place to this day. 7Although Moses was one hundred and twenty years old when he died, his eye was not dim, nor his vigor abated. 8So the sons of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days; then the days of weeping and mourning for Moses came to an end.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

The Book of Jude Is Holy Scripture though, So It Definitely Happened.


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Not necessarily... only that Jude found the reference to the story as helpful to illustrate the point he was making. Whole famous "devotionals" or sermons had been preached on this subject.
That is part and parcel of Hebrew writing style.

The Book of Hebrews is absolutely full of just such allusions except it references more Sifre than Talmud because it was addressed to the religious elite caste.

Running2win said:

The thing is he was buried in a secret location. So, put 2+2 together, I would say Satan wanted it for nefarious purposes, like usual. He could of thought he was entitled to know the location? Maybe he held the keys of death and Hades before the cross? It's all speculation really. We know Jesus is slowly taking back the earth from Satan. (Luke 4:5-7) One day it will be completed.

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God preserved the empty tomb symbol for Jesus. Especially since the power over death comes from Jesus' sacrifice.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

No, It Happened.

Jude Is Holy Scripture. Period.

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Where I can certainly understand your reverence for scriptures and applaud you for it....I do disagree in your application and understanding of them.

You asked a question on a forum.
Everyone gives their opinion.
YMMV
(Your mileage may vary)

JohnDB said:

Where I can certainly understand your reverence for scriptures and applaud you for it....I do disagree in your application and understanding of them.

You asked a question on a forum.
Everyone gives their opinion.
YMMV
(Your mileage may vary)

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Well, if the particular verse did not happen, Jude is lying. He names names and a historical event. Not that all verses of the extra books are inspired, but what Jude quoted must be factual and inspired, or it is deception. Deception is from Satan, not God.

Running2win said:

Well, if the particular verse did not happen, Jude is lying. He names names and a historical event. Not that all verses of the extra books are inspired, but what Jude quoted must be factual and inspired, or it is deception. Deception is from Satan, not God.

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If I talk about Yoda saying something...
You already know that Yoda is a mythological creature...he is fictional. He doesn't actually say anything.

Hebrew writing precludes explaining any of that...it's considered a very expensive waste of materials to explain that this is an excerpt from a fictional story when the audience knows that.

And indeed....the cost of paper and ink used to write the book of Jude probably was in excess of a full day's wages.
No room or money for ad nauseum description.

JohnDB said:

If I talk about Yoda saying something...
You already know that Yoda is a mythological creature...he is fictional. He doesn't actually say anything.

Hebrew writing precludes explaining any of that...it's considered a very expensive waste of materials to explain that this is an excerpt from a fictional story when the audience knows that.

And indeed....the cost of paper and ink used to write the book of Jude probably was in excess of a full day's wages.
No room or money for ad nauseum description.

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I see you have a low regard of Scripture. Thanks for the clarification of your true beliefs.