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Why don't you explain the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18?

A guy who came up with the Coronal Mass Ejection theory is speaking to me about "private interpretation"... .
We know exactly when the time for Judging the dead will come. Revelation 20:11-12, Daniel 7:9-10 AFTER the Millennium.

Re the forthcoming CME, a massive blast of solar ejecta, you obviously prefer to remain in the dark about it. That is your prerogative, but others may like to know what God has planned to do and will know what happens is from the Lord. They will be ready and prepared for it.
 
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We know exactly when the time for Judging the dead will come. Revelation 20:11-12, Daniel 7:9-10 AFTER the Millennium.

Re the forthcoming CME, a massive blast of solar ejecta, you obviously prefer to remain in the dark about it. That is your prerogative, but others may like to know what God has planned to do and will know what happens is from the Lord. They will be ready and prepared for it.

It is the Son, instead of the sun, that produces the fire in the passage below.
Please explain to us how mortals survive the fire.

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


Please show us the mortals left alive on the planet at the end of the passage above, or at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.

Then show us that the wicked angels have not already been bound in some manner in Jude 1:6.

Show us how a wicked spirit can be bound with a real chain in Mark 5:1-10.

Show us you are not using circular reasoning in dealing with the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18.

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We know figures of months and days from daniel, but we would have to know when the 70th week STARTS to make any kind of calculation, and I don't think that'll be apparent until things are way too busy to be counting days.

Based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people for a period of about 7 years, before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles. This was the 70th week of Daniel during the first century.

The following comes from the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.

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Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.


Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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Are we supposed to believe the angel Gabriel came to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then the angel failed to even mention the New Covenant?

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Based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people for a period of about 7 years, before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles. This was the 70th week of Daniel during the first century.

The following comes from the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.

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Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.


Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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Are we supposed to believe the angel Gabriel came to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then the angel failed to even mention the New Covenant?

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Yes yes, of course, now I see it, all the prophecies were fulfilled in the first century and we've been living in a sinless deathless new earth for the past 2000 years, wow!
 
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Yes yes, of course, now I see it, all the prophecies were fulfilled in the first century and we've been living in a sinless deathless new earth for the past 2000 years, wow!

The attempt above to ignore what the Bible says by constructing a straw-man argument will not pass muster here.

The New Heavens and the New Earth predicted by Peter in 2 Peter 3:10-13, will not come to pass until the future Second Coming of Christ.

Why don't you deal with the texts of Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, if you want others to take your argument about the 70th week of Daniel seriously.

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We know exactly when the time for Judging the dead will come. Revelation 20:11-12, Daniel 7:9-10 AFTER the Millennium.

Re the forthcoming CME, a massive blast of solar ejecta, you obviously prefer to remain in the dark about it. That is your prerogative, but others may like to know what God has planned to do and will know what happens is from the Lord. They will be ready and prepared for it.

Exactly, which is at the second coming (the last trumpet)! After Satan's little season, Christ's comes in all His matchless glory to raise the dead and judge the living and the dead. This is approaching.
 
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Yes yes, of course, now I see it, all the prophecies were fulfilled in the first century and we've been living in a sinless deathless new earth for the past 2000 years, wow!

He didn't say that. You are creating a strawman. Perfection (glorification) and the NHNE arrives when Jesus appears, this negates the Premil theory.
 
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The attempt above to ignore what the Bible says by constructing a straw-man argument will not pass muster here.

The New Heavens and the New Earth predicted by Peter in 2 Peter 3:10-13, will not come to pass until the future Second Coming of Christ.

Why don't you deal with the texts of Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, if you want others to take your argument about the 70th week of Daniel seriously.

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I did not read your reply before replying and look what I wrote above. Same!
 
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I did not read your reply before replying and look what I wrote above. Same!

The master teacher promised in John 14:26, which is found fulfilled below, is a part of both of us.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


Thank God for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, and my Brothers, and Sisters who are willing to speak the truth.

Praise God, and His Son Jesus Christ!

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The master teacher promised in John 14:26, which is found fulfilled below, is a part of both of us.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


Thank God for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, and my Brothers, and Sisters who are willing to speak the truth.

Praise God, and His Son Jesus Christ!

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I totally agree! Keep up the good work!
 
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The attempt above to ignore what the Bible says by constructing a straw-man argument will not pass muster here.

The New Heavens and the New Earth predicted by Peter in 2 Peter 3:10-13, will not come to pass until the future Second Coming of Christ.

Why don't you deal with the texts of Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, if you want others to take your argument about the 70th week of Daniel seriously.

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Because the way Jesus described events in the Olivet Discourse makes it clear that things will get very very bad just before Jesus returns. Not things will get bad, 2000 years will pass after prophecy was fulfilled.. yadda yadda. Jesus said in Matthew 24:21 that it would be worse than we've ever seen, or would ever see again. We've seen worse than what happened in 70AD. Jesus described this as things spoken in Daniel's 70th week.
So Jesus is either speaking in Hyperbole, or, it has not happened yet but will.
 
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Jesus described this as things spoken in Daniel's 70th week.

Where?

Have you ever read Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18?
Was there a time period of about 7 years when the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people, before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles?


Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner

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Where?

Have you ever read Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18?
Was there a time period of about 7 years when the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people, before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles?


Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner

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Matthew 24:15-21
What you're quoting and saying is irrelevant because Jesus Himself described the Prophecy spoken of by Daniel and its fulfillment. It was not in the first century.
Matthew 24:14 is referring to spreading the gospel as has been done since Christ rose, but we've not seen the Abomination of Desolation. The 7 year period isn't referring to spreading the gospel, it's referring to the Tribulations and Wrath of God, with the Abomination of Desolation taking place at about the halfway point.
 
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Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Are you saying the seventh angel begins to sound on eight separate days?

Can you show us the text which confirms your claim?


Do you plan to continue ignoring the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18?
The 7th Trumpet sounds for 8 days. Sunday the Second Coming event to the final two sickles on the next Sunday. That is without the mid-week interuption. Not sure why a Sovereign God does not have an angel prepared that can sound a trumpet for 3.5 years and 8 days. Why would some ignore that fact.

Revelation 11 is the explanation that this is the harvest of all souls on the earth. The seals, trumpets, and thunders is all part of this harvest. The part about the first will be last and the last will be first has fallen on deaf ears. The Nations were given the first 2600 years. Isreal was given 1400 years. The church has had 1990 years. The church being last, leaves first. The sheep and goats, of the nation of Israel, are harvested next. The wheat and tares of all Nations are harvested last. The resurrection of those dead in this harvest, sheep and goats, wheat and tares happens on Monday, the first day of the Millennium. The sheep and wheat reign on earth, and repopulate the nations. The goats and tares going into damnation, Death. That is the first resurrection of Revelation 20. Those who were beheaded who did not take the mark 666, also reign with Christ to restore the nations. They were not sealed in the church. They are not part of the church. They are not sent to the lake of fire. Their offspring will have to choose between Christ or their own works during this 1000 years. What is hard to understand that this earth will be repopulated in 1000 years?

Even today some complain about over population from just the last 100 years where millions were killed in 2 world wars. These few years of harvest will end fallen humanity as we live today, but fallen nature will not be totally eradicated. Any human as claimed in Isaiah 65, who die before 100 years of age will be considered cursed. Death will happen, but it would be rare. The last rebellion will only happen in the last season of the last year.

God used an 8 day week to create the world. God used an 8 day week to overthrow Jericho and start the Nation of Israel. God used an 8 day week when the Atonement on the Cross brought an end to the Nation of Israel and the start of the church. God is going to end the church age and the 6000 year punishment on Adam's descendants with an 8 day week.
 
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The 7th Trumpet sounds for 8 days. Sunday the Second Coming event to the final two sickles on the next Sunday. That is without the mid-week interuption. Not sure why a Sovereign God does not have an angel prepared that can sound a trumpet for 3.5 years and 8 days. Why would some ignore that fact.

Revelation 11 is the explanation that this is the harvest of all souls on the earth. The seals, trumpets, and thunders is all part of this harvest. The part about the first will be last and the last will be first has fallen on deaf ears. The Nations were given the first 2600 years. Isreal was given 1400 years. The church has had 1990 years. The church being last, leaves first. The sheep and goats, of the nation of Israel, are harvested next. The wheat and tares of all Nations are harvested last. The resurrection of those dead in this harvest, sheep and goats, wheat and tares happens on Monday, the first day of the Millennium. The sheep and wheat reign on earth, and repopulate the nations. The goats and tares going into damnation, Death. That is the first resurrection of Revelation 20. Those who were beheaded who did not take the mark 666, also reign with Christ to restore the nations. They were not sealed in the church. They are not part of the church. They are not sent to the lake of fire. Their offspring will have to choose between Christ or their own works during this 1000 years. What is hard to understand that this earth will be repopulated in 1000 years?

Even today some complain about over population from just the last 100 years where millions were killed in 2 world wars. These few years of harvest will end fallen humanity as we live today, but fallen nature will not be totally eradicated. Any human as claimed in Isaiah 65, who die before 100 years of age will be considered cursed. Death will happen, but it would be rare. The last rebellion will only happen in the last season of the last year.

God used an 8 day week to create the world. God used an 8 day week to overthrow Jericho and start the Nation of Israel. God used an 8 day week when the Atonement on the Cross brought an end to the Nation of Israel and the start of the church. God is going to end the church age and the 6000 year punishment on Adam's descendants with an 8 day week.

You are reading too many Left Behind novels. This will never happen!

Where does it say the 7th Trumpet sounds for 8 days?
 
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The 7th Trumpet sounds for 8 days. Sunday the Second Coming event to the final two sickles on the next Sunday. That is without the mid-week interuption. Not sure why a Sovereign God does not have an angel prepared that can sound a trumpet for 3.5 years and 8 days. Why would some ignore that fact.

Revelation 11 is the explanation that this is the harvest of all souls on the earth. The seals, trumpets, and thunders is all part of this harvest. The part about the first will be last and the last will be first has fallen on deaf ears. The Nations were given the first 2600 years. Isreal was given 1400 years. The church has had 1990 years. The church being last, leaves first. The sheep and goats, of the nation of Israel, are harvested next. The wheat and tares of all Nations are harvested last. The resurrection of those dead in this harvest, sheep and goats, wheat and tares happens on Monday, the first day of the Millennium. The sheep and wheat reign on earth, and repopulate the nations. The goats and tares going into damnation, Death. That is the first resurrection of Revelation 20. Those who were beheaded who did not take the mark 666, also reign with Christ to restore the nations. They were not sealed in the church. They are not part of the church. They are not sent to the lake of fire. Their offspring will have to choose between Christ or their own works during this 1000 years. What is hard to understand that this earth will be repopulated in 1000 years?

Even today some complain about over population from just the last 100 years where millions were killed in 2 world wars. These few years of harvest will end fallen humanity as we live today, but fallen nature will not be totally eradicated. Any human as claimed in Isaiah 65, who die before 100 years of age will be considered cursed. Death will happen, but it would be rare. The last rebellion will only happen in the last season of the last year.

God used an 8 day week to create the world. God used an 8 day week to overthrow Jericho and start the Nation of Israel. God used an 8 day week when the Atonement on the Cross brought an end to the Nation of Israel and the start of the church. God is going to end the church age and the 6000 year punishment on Adam's descendants with an 8 day week.

As for Isaiah 65. You have obviously not looked at the original Hebrew.

Let us have a literal word-by-word look at the Hebrew pertaining to Isaiah 65:20.

Lo'- yihªyeh mishaam `owd `uwl yaamiym wªzaaqeen 'ªsher
Not become thence more babe days, old man after


What is this telling us?

Basically: a child will never become old on the new earth.

Lo'- yªmalee''et- yaamaayw Kiy hana`ar ben- mee'aah shaanaah yaamuwt
Not reach your days like the child old an hundred years die


What is this telling us?

The exact same thing only in different terms.

This is called synonymous parallelism. It is telling us that a child will never become old on the new earth. This line reinforces what has just been said. It confirms the thought of the impending reality of no more death in the eternal state for the righteous. In eternity there will be no more aging or dying. It is not going to be like our corrupt age where infants eventually get old. It will not be like the here-and-now where a man could live to be an old person of a hundred years of age and then die.

This passage is actually saying the opposite to what many think. What this is saying is: there will be no more aging, curse or death on the new earth. Every glorified saints will have come to full maturity in Christ with their new perfect eternal bodies. It is the next line of Isaiah 65:20 that has confused many, because the translators have not interpreted it in a literal word-for-word sense. It is not saying there will be more babies, death and old men. It is saying the opposite to what they are alleging. It is saying that there will be no more aging: children getting old, old people and people dying! It is describing eternity to an Old Testament audience in terms they can grasp.

The new heavens and new earth will indeed be a glorious victorious perfect state where death is unknown. God is saying that the eternal state will actually be free of death for young and old alike. This passage is telling us that there will be no more death on the new earth! The Hebrew word Lo' (Strong’s 3808) means “no” or “not.” The word is a simple negation. The word is found twice in this much-debated new heavens and new earth verse.

Debate in Isaiah 65:20 centers in on the use of the original word yaamuw meaning “die” or “death.” What should we relate it to? Is there indeed “death” on the new earth? Also, should the death be related to the “child” in the second phrase or the “sinner” in the third phrase? What is more, in what way should it read? I must admit, if we are to read it in its most natural way it fits perfectly with the context. So why change it? I believe it should be applied to the “child” as it should agree with the first phrase that is simply a reinforcement of the same truth. It then fits perfectly with the whole overall teaching of the prophet on the perfection and bliss of the eternal state.

No (Lo') longer will an infant become like an old man,
No
(Lo') longer will a child reach one hundred and die.

The original Hebrew does not give us any reason to attribute death to the “child” in this second line. In fact, it does not fit the whole context which is evidently speaking of the removal of ageing and death on the new earth. Interpreting it as we have, seems to (1) match the original, (2) make sense to its context, and (3) taps into the thrust of what the prophet was trying to relay. We need to remind ourselves that the whole idea here is describing the incredible eternal deliverance from the curse of corruption and the joy that “the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind” on the “new earth.”
 
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Has God already bound the wicked angels in some manner?
The answer is found below.


2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;


Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Can a demonic spirit be bound with a real chain, like one from the hardware store?
The answer is found below.

Mar 5:1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
Mar 5:2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
Mar 5:3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
Mar 5:4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.

Who is the king of the wicked angels found in the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:11?

If the beast "ascends" out of the bottomless pit in Revelation 11:7, where is he now?
The Adversary will remain the Adversary until kicked out of heaven during the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. The opening of the abyss was not for Satan's sake. It was so those on earth know exactly who they are dealing with. Humanity will know exactly who the Lamb is, and who Satan is. There will be no more deception nor excuse.
 
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The Adversary will remain the Adversary until kicked out of heaven during the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. The opening of the abyss was not for Satan's sake. It was so those on earth know exactly who they are dealing with. Humanity will know exactly who the Lamb is, and who Satan is. There will be no more deception nor excuse.

I hate to burst your bubble. Satan is already kicked out. Revelation 12 takes us back to the First Advent and identifies the incarnation and glorious resurrection/ascent to give us a sense of timing. This is definitely not talking about, or concentrated upon, the second coming. The focus is the banishment of Satan from heaven and his ongoing defeat on earth by the scenes as they overcome him by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony. Revelation 12 shows us what happened to Satan after sin, death, Satan and Hades had been defeated. It shows one major consequence for the devil. He lost his power of accusation. After all, sin had been paid for.

Before being cast out of heaven through Christ’s victorious assault on his kingdom the devil had access to both heaven and earth. He had the ability to come before God to accuse the brethren of their sins. When he was cast down he no longer had access to heaven but only to earth.

We know Satan is overcome because Christ overcame him. He can no longer accuse us before the throne of God, so he has to come to us direct down here and point the finger at us - that is if we listen him! Through the casting out of Satan, after man's penalty had been paid in full, he no longer had anything to accuse the elect over.

The only power that Satan possesses is that which man gives him. If every single human being on this earth ignored him, he would be totally impotent. But, there is a twisted tendency within man that prefers the voice of Satan to the voice of God.

Revelation 12 places the defeat of Satan at the resurrection/ascension: "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."

Here, in correlation with Revelation 20, we see the end of Satan unchallenged deceiving of the Gentiles. John declares: "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ." How?

Previous to Satan's eviction, God was Israel's God, not the Gentiles God. Satan ruled the nations. But through this casting out of Satan, after man's penalty had been paid in full, he no longer had anything to accuse the elect over. It was indeed finished! The powerful spread of the Gospel to the Gentiles lifting the deception that kept them bound. Satan was now bound. The boot was on the other foot. With the global expanse of the great commission the Gentiles now are without excuse. The ignorance is gone. The veil is lifted. The means by which God lifts deception is the preaching of the Word of God. This has now been successfully ongoing throughout the nations for 2000 years.

Satan's defeat came after the resurrection. Here is when he got his eviction notice, and here is "when" salvation came to the "whole world" - not just one nation Israel. The deception enveloping the Gentiles was lifted - praise God. They are now without excuse, just like those in the OT that rejected salvation. Salvation has now come to the nations. But Satan had to first be cast down. He had to be defeated. Christ’s life, death and resurrection safely secured that. As a result the Church becomes a militant overcoming organism.

Christ’s death, burial and resurrection was the decisive blow against Satan. His defeat has already been wrought. This passage plainly shows the powerful result of Calvary and the deep impact it had upon Satan. It shows us that Satan is now under Christ’s feet and is now subject to His Sovereign will. Satan and his minions are barred from heaven. They have been banished after they were defeated 2,000 years ago.

Christ predicted shortly before He destroyed the power of Satan at the cross, in John 12:30-33: Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.”

Christ’s death, burial and resurrection was the decisive blow against Satan. His defeat has already been wrought. This passage plainly shows the powerful result of Calvary and the deep impact it had upon Satan. It shows us that Satan is now under Christ’s feet and is now subject to His Sovereign will. Satan and his minions are barred from heaven. They have been banished after they were defeated 2,000 years ago.
 
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As for Isaiah 65. You have obviously not looked at the original Hebrew.

Let us have a literal word-by-word look at the Hebrew pertaining to Isaiah 65:20.

Lo'- yihªyeh mishaam `owd `uwl yaamiym wªzaaqeen 'ªsher
Not become thence more babe days, old man after


What is this telling us?

Basically: a child will never become old on the new earth.

Lo'- yªmalee''et- yaamaayw Kiy hana`ar ben- mee'aah shaanaah yaamuwt
Not reach your days like the child old an hundred years die


What is this telling us?

The exact same thing only in different terms.

This is called synonymous parallelism. It is telling us that a child will never become old on the new earth. This line reinforces what has just been said. It confirms the thought of the impending reality of no more death in the eternal state for the righteous. In eternity there will be no more aging or dying. It is not going to be like our corrupt age where infants eventually get old. It will not be like the here-and-now where a man could live to be an old person of a hundred years of age and then die.

This passage is actually saying the opposite to what many think. What this is saying is: there will be no more aging, curse or death on the new earth. Every glorified saints will have come to full maturity in Christ with their new perfect eternal bodies. It is the next line of Isaiah 65:20 that has confused many, because the translators have not interpreted it in a literal word-for-word sense. It is not saying there will be more babies, death and old men. It is saying the opposite to what they are alleging. It is saying that there will be no more aging: children getting old, old people and people dying! It is describing eternity to an Old Testament audience in terms they can grasp.

The new heavens and new earth will indeed be a glorious victorious perfect state where death is unknown. God is saying that the eternal state will actually be free of death for young and old alike. This passage is telling us that there will be no more death on the new earth! The Hebrew word Lo' (Strong’s 3808) means “no” or “not.” The word is a simple negation. The word is found twice in this much-debated new heavens and new earth verse.

Debate in Isaiah 65:20 centers in on the use of the original word yaamuw meaning “die” or “death.” What should we relate it to? Is there indeed “death” on the new earth? Also, should the death be related to the “child” in the second phrase or the “sinner” in the third phrase? What is more, in what way should it read? I must admit, if we are to read it in its most natural way it fits perfectly with the context. So why change it? I believe it should be applied to the “child” as it should agree with the first phrase that is simply a reinforcement of the same truth. It then fits perfectly with the whole overall teaching of the prophet on the perfection and bliss of the eternal state.

No (Lo') longer will an infant become like an old man,
No
(Lo') longer will a child reach one hundred and die.

The original Hebrew does not give us any reason to attribute death to the “child” in this second line. In fact, it does not fit the whole context which is evidently speaking of the removal of ageing and death on the new earth. Interpreting it as we have, seems to (1) match the original, (2) make sense to its context, and (3) taps into the thrust of what the prophet was trying to relay. We need to remind ourselves that the whole idea here is describing the incredible eternal deliverance from the curse of corruption and the joy that “the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind” on the “new earth.”
Neither Isaiah 65 nor Isaiah 66 is about perfection. It is a contrast between current conditions and the final millennium. It is still the physical Jerusalem. There is nothing wrong with your interpretation, but death is not totally eradicated. It is applied also to the pre-Flood world. Adam had to wait 100 years before Seth was granted as a blessing from God. You cannot use just one set of verses. Nor can you even apply earth and heaven as the place where the church will be after the 6th seal.

The millennium is only for those alive after the church leaves. The new earth is only for these beings as well. But the GWT event is the end of this existence. The New Jerusalem replaces Paradise. Isaiah does not mention the New Jerusalem, but is still referencing current physical Jerusalem. There was a new heaven and earth after the Flood, and after the Second Coming of Christ will be a new heaven and earth. The earth will be back to the original pre-Flood condition. But at the end of the next 1000 years, will be when this reality is destroyed in fire.
 
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Neither Isaiah 65 nor Isaiah 66 is about perfection. It is a contrast between current conditions and the final millennium. It is still the physical Jerusalem. There is nothing wrong with your interpretation, but death is not totally eradicated. It is applied also to the pre-Flood world. Adam had to wait 100 years before Seth was granted as a blessing from God. You cannot use just one set of verses. Nor can you even apply earth and heaven as the place where the church will be after the 6th seal.

The millennium is only for those alive after the church leaves. The new earth is only for these beings as well. But the GWT event is the end of this existence. The New Jerusalem replaces Paradise. Isaiah does not mention the New Jerusalem, but is still referencing current physical Jerusalem. There was a new heaven and earth after the Flood, and after the Second Coming of Christ will be a new heaven and earth. The earth will be back to the original pre-Flood condition. But at the end of the next 1000 years, will be when this reality is destroyed in fire.

Once again, as is your form, you totally ignore the rebuttal and just voice personal opinion. Do you know how that looks to the observer watching on? That you have no viable response. This is why Premil is on the wane. It is getting decimated online. The Amil position on the other hand is on the rise.

I refer you back to my last unaddressed post that exposes your reasoning.
 
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