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???Usually this forum is my go to place in situations like this. But this time it has really disappointed.
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???Usually this forum is my go to place in situations like this. But this time it has really disappointed.
Thank you so so much for your reply. It was really helpful. I sincerely appreciate it. Bless you my friend.Man, do I recognise myself in your descriptions! And ironically, I was thinking just today, how appropriate this kind of frustration and bewilderment is on this Easter weekend.
One thing you need to know for an absolute certainty. God does hear and he does answer. Personally, I am convinced he answers every time! The issue is often that we aren't open to hearing the answer - I don't mean we're not listening. Obviously, you're straining your spiritual ears. But by not being open, I mean that the answer may be so far from what we are expecting to hear, we don't even recognise that it is an answer.
That was the disciples' problem up to Pentecost, and especially over Easter. Jesus had told them many times what would happen on that Passover. They simply could not - were not able - to reconcile what he said with their preconceived ideas of the Messiah, and how the Messiah would restore the nation of Israel to it's deserved place in the world. Even after Jesus rose again, they asked him "are you going to set up you kingdom now?" They had their minds set on their own assumptions because they had also grasped from Jesus earlier words, that they themselves would rule with him! They had personal visions of grandure, vested interests in that point of view. They had the "solution" to Calvary: people made an awful error in killing Jesus, but God had corrected that error and raised him up. It was quite a while before they understood that the cross (and resurrection) was God's plan, not "something gone wrong" that he had to make adjustments for.
This same kind of thing often can get in the way of our thinking, when we pray and wait for answers. Sometimes, we conjure up in our minds a number of optional answers, like multiple choice ... but we forget to put one option being "none of the above." When the disciples were waiting for the Holy Spirit to come, on Pentecost, their preconceived perceptions of "how things should be" was that there should be 12 apostles - and not there were only 11. So what did they do? All 120 or so of them had a big discussion about criteria for selection, then went through a list of (male) individuals who would fit the criteria, narrowed down to 2, and said "OK, we'll "flip a coin" and the Spirit of God can choose!" It didn't enter their minds that maybe God was thinking of someone who was not even known to them. That God could work outside the scope of their criteria, and their little preconceived notions, simply didn't register in their heads. And that is how it sometimes is with us. One thing that is quite common with us, is our picture of God as someone who should be serving us, the way we want to be served. But he owes us nothing! Our perception of God is so totally inadequate.
I waited 40 years to understand why God had let me go through a traumatic event. And it was only when I watched close hand how hundreds of others handled their own trauma, that pennies started to drip in my very slow brain. And only then did I begin to see, and become very thankful, why my trauma was so important. Let me reassure you two things: 1: God can turn any process or event into something constructive and beneficial to those who follow him (Rom 8:28) 2: you will miss out on nothing that is good for you, if you follow him (Psalm 84:11). You can't lose!!!! Accept it.
Asking is something we do. Answering is something He does. And he DOES. But are you listening in the right direction? Are you tuned in to the right wavelength? Are you on the right "webpage?" Are you REALLY living by faith, really believing that he LOVES you, or are you defining how he must demonstrate his love - because that is neither love nor faith, and it leads to totally misplaced hope. Which will lead in turn to disappointment bitterness, rejection, and getting yet farther away from an answer. Take hope from the promise that he will not place you in a situation with which you cannot cope! You think you "just can't be kept in the dark any longer." He knows exactly how much you can take in terms of frustration. He's not testing you with that, but he has promised always that there will be a solution to that frustration - if it's not an answer you recognise as such, it will be something else. Let go of your preconceived multiple choices, REST in God and trust Him. Then wait EXPECTANTLY for a surprise!
May God give you grace, and peace of mind, and a new dosage of trust in his wisdom and love for you! He is there and He is NOT silent!
What you have said raises my faith, but do you have any theories on situations like mine? My mother has once told me that this girl is not someone that she likes at all. Maybe if we ever end up together it will be a nightmare. But that’s only guesses after all.
The only way I would “prefer” to deal with this torture is if everything worked out and made sense
I grew up in a society where most young people had virtually no choice in who they married! Marriage was a family affair. And young women in particular had very little to say about who their parents decided was to be their son-in-law. This was not because the parents didn't want the best for their children, they certainly did; but in that society "the best" was always within a community context - not an individual one! I was lucky that my parents at least gave me a big say in the issue, even if they at times suggested appropriate partners.
Monna thank you very much for your motivating and warm replies. I am trying so hard on doing this (still trying, it feels like everyday I fail) but all I hope for is that I hope everything is worth it in the end. Bless you my friend."do you have any theories on situations like mine?" Not as such, no. But I have gone through similar situations quite a few times. I knew from my mid-teens, that I wanted to be married. I had a fairly good idea of what kind of person I'd like to have as a partner. With eyes wide open, I started looking. Am very grateful that my parents told me to make friends with a LOT of people before I even tried to go deeper with any of them. As I grew older I became active in various activities, summer jobs, etc. where I got to know quite a few potential partners. And was quite infatuated with several of them. I say "infatuated" with them now, though at the time I thought I was in love with them. And of course I prayed about each of them - without any clear "answer" from God "This is the one!" Over a few years of this, as one person after another, left my immediate vicinity and seemed to end any chance of something deeper (even if we wrote letters to each other ... there was no internet or social media then - only snail mail and expensive phone calls), I began to realise that what I wanted was someone for ME! And true love is not about that. Read 1 Cor 13:4-7 and you'll find out that real love is focused on the other person "love is not self-seeking."
I grew up in a society where most young people had virtually no choice in who they married! Marriage was a family affair. And young women in particular had very little to say about who their parents decided was to be their son-in-law. This was not because the parents didn't want the best for their children, they certainly did; but in that society "the best" was always within a community context - not an individual one! I was lucky that my parents at least gave me a big say in the issue, even if they at times suggested appropriate partners.
I have seen arranged marriages in which the husband and wife met each other for the first time 15 minutes before the wedding. And I have seen such couples live happily and lovingly together for many many years - in fact their genuine mutual love grew with time - because they practised love even before they felt it. It made me realize that the true partnership that lasts is the one in which love is seen as a behaviour pattern, not a feeling. Behave selflessly for your partner, and the feeling will come. If you base your behaviour on your feeling, and to satisfy your feeling, you put yourself in a state of dependency. It's like responding to an itch by scratching ... the itch only gets worse, the scratching increases, till you end up with an infected sore.
(This is the only way in which Jesus words "Love your enemies" can be true. Practice daily acts of kindness for your enemy, and over time you will see that you will like him/her more and more ... and quite probably (but not 100% assuredly) they will start liking you, and you will have lost an enemy and gained a friend.)
If on the other hand you get together with a person that you want very much to fill your own needs, what begins as a "friendship" may lead to a lot of heartache and maybe even to enmity.
More recently, but still some years ago, I came across of book title "Everybody's normal - till you get to know them." (John Ortberg). The title itself is a kind of warning. Before you commit yourself for live with a person, make sure you really know them. And conversely, as you get to know them you are likely to find out a lot about yourself that may be very revealing - things that you have tried to smother (both good and bad, and even neutral). So my advice to you is manage your own heart carefully (you cannot manage your mother's or the friend's). Don't even try to manage your friend's!
One thing that God wants to teach every single one of us, is patience. How do I know? Because the Bible tells me so (Romans 5:3-5; Colossians 3:12; Hebrews 6:12 & 10:36; James 1:3-4). And I can guarantee that you will never learn patience without waiting! So rather than be super frustrated about your relationship with your friend not "getting anywhere" use the opportunity God had given you (yes! it is a GIFT!) to learn patience, really fruitfull anticipatory patience. If and when your relationship with this other wonderful person leads where you seem to want it, you will have learned patience which will be very useful in any relationship. And if it doesn't work out as you wish, you will still have learned patience. (One caveat: patience is like muscle tone - if you don't keep working at it, you will see it slowly wither away.)
I don't know if any of this helps, but I hope so. Know this final thing: Psalm 84:11 tell us that if we genuinely want God's will for our lives we will never miss out on ANYTHING that is good for us! Isn't that a promise to hold onto!
I hope everything is worth it in the end. Bless you my friend.
Hey there. Thanks for the reply. It’s sad how you’re reply is the only helpful one in this thread. But I’m already sad, so it doesn’t make it any worse.
What you have said raises my faith, but do you have any theories on situations like mine? My mother has once told me that this girl is not someone that she likes at all. Maybe if we ever end up together it will be a nightmare. But that’s only guesses after all.
Hi there, sorry for such late response. This is another account of mine since I couldn’t recover the original account. (Excuse the different name I have for this account since I don’t want to be associated with the old name anymore)This is important. Your mother expressed that she does not like this young lady at all. It is very very good and important to have the objective opinions of the people around us who know and love us best when it comes to dating relationships. An objective person has a very different viewpoint of the person you are dating than you do as their eyes are not clouded by love for the person. The objective person loves YOU most and can give you that objective opinion. God is near to the broken hearted Psalms 34:18. At times being in love can be so very incredibly painful. Trust in God. Use this as an opportunity to draw closer to Him. The Word of God says to seek first His kingdom and His righteousness Matthew 6:33. Sometimes we become consumed with the problem and consumed with how to fix it. But the All Powerful God of Heaven and Earth is the one who fixes things, not us. We are not to worry about tomorrow, but rather to trust in Him Matthew 6:25-34. Only God knows the end from the beginning, He is Alpha and Omega Revelation 1:8. God knows more about what may happen in that relationship if you are able to be together rather than not being able to be together at all or rather than being together at some future point. Pray to God concerning the situation, pray repeatedly. He reveals the deep and secret things Daniel 2:22. Pray until you begin to feel better, pray until the Lord restores peace to your spirit rather than you being consumed by this sorrow. Sorrow is not the will of God for you, He has come to give you peace that passes all understanding. What you are meant to do is pray about this situation, bring your questions, concerns and your pain to your Heavenly Father Philippians 4:6-7. He loves you so much and the situation can only get better when we entrust it into the hands of our dear Loving Father -- even if it doesn't turn out the way that we want it to. I hope that helps.
Hi there, sorry for such late response. This is another account of mine since I couldn’t recover the original account. (Excuse the different name I have for this account since I don’t want to be associated with the old name anymore)
anyway, I really appreciate your answer. I know that my mother not liking this girl is a huge issue, and it does make me wonder a lot of times if I have made the right decision at all. But still, you know how humans are, sometimes warnings don’t stop us when that feeling comes into play. And I very well understand that God preventing me from having any fun time together with this girl must be due to some sort of very important reason. (And that’s what’s also the saddest part, I wanted nothing more than to spend my best days/years with her. Can you imagine how traumatic and sad that is?)
like you said, whatever the reason is, maybe the relationship is nothing like I imagined and it will be the worst mistake of my life, or maybe there’s deeper reason that me as a human just don’t get it at this point. Maybe this is the wrong time for whatever reason and we will reunite someday. But no matter what, I still wanna experience it anyways. At least I can find out the answer myself. At least I’ve experienced. You know what I mean? And it just really destorys me. I know there’s light at the end of the tunnel, but sometimes holding onto the light can be so so hard without an answer from God. It almost feel like I’m taking a gamble and hoping that things do really have a much bigger meaning and that it’s all for the better. And that God really does fixes and plans everything for the best of us. I really hope things can work out soon. And I do pray everyday that I don’t let the enemy/devil get the best of me. I can feel it, and I know that God has such a great plan for me if I just hold on and trust him. I do feel it in my bones, in my soul. But I just hope this torture ends soon. I just want to feel some relief
thank you so much for your answer. It helps me more than you know.