Not a worldwide event

solid_core said:

"This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
Mt 24:34

"this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. "
Mk 13:30

"This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. "
Lk 21:22, 26, 32

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The generation of the parable of the fig tree. The fig tree represents Jerusalem and the Jewish people within. Fulfilled in 1967 as the Jews regained control of Jerusalem.

solid_core said:

Yes, you have all kind of nice tables and charts, but its just all invented. Both Jesus, Daniel, apostles and history must fit together. There is no huge gap in their words. "This generation" means just 40-70 years.

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Do you believe that there is a gap between Jesus's first coming and His Second Coming ?

Douggg said:

In Acts 1, some of the disciples withnessed Jesus leave this earth, which Jesus came into his Kingdom in heaven.

In Daniel 7:13-14 is the heaven side of that event.

13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

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Not sure if you agree or disagree with those verses I posted...

Douggg said:

The generation of the parable of the fig tree. The fig tree represents Jerusalem and the Jewish people within. Fulfilled in 1967 as the Jews regained control of Jerusalem.

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Why in 1967?? Why would Jesus talked to his disciples around Him about such irelevant future? He told them what will happen in their life. And they saw the signs and it happened in 70 AD.

solid_core said:

Not sure if you agree or disagree with those verses I posted...

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I agree with the verses, but not your interpretation, understanding of them.

Douggg said:

Do you believe that there is a gap between Jesus's first coming and His Second Coming ?

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Sure, one generation - 40 years.

Douggg said:

I agree with the verses, but not your interpretation, understanding of them.

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How else can you understand verses like:

"There are some of those standing here, who in no wise shall taste of death, until they have seen the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
Mt 16:27

You can either accept it or reject it. Its not possible to intepret it differently than what it says.

solid_core said:

Why in 1967?? Why would Jesus talked to his disciples around Him about such irelevant future? He told them what will happen in their life. And they saw the signs and it happened in 70 AD.

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The disciples had asked about...

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Jesus in the olivet discourse answered all of their questions, and gave the future of Israel and the Jews as well. Near term, destruction of the temple, 70 ad. Long term, the Jews forced into the nations, Israel in exile, for 2000 year as it turned out. End times, the latter days, latter years - the parable of the fig tree, this generation, 1967 Jews gain back Jerusalem.

solid_core said:

Sure, one generation - 40 years.

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Then you must be spiritualizing Jesus's Second Coming.

Douggg said:

Then you must be spiritualizing Jesus's Second Coming.

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The eschatology of the New Testament is very simple:
a) the present age
b) the age to come

Your eschatology is so complicated that you must create tables and charts and so unpredictable, that you are able to implement 1967 or the EU into it, two things absolutely of no interest for the disciples.

solid_core said:

How else can you understand verses like:

"There are some of those standing here, who in no wise shall taste of death, until they have seen the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
Mt 16:27

You can either accept it or reject it. Its not possible to intepret it differently than what it says.

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Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

I gave you the explanation. Some of the disciples, in Acts 1, saw Jesus leave this world to come into his kingdom - which Daniel had a vision of the future in Daniel 7:13-14 seeing the heaven side of Jesus being given his kingdom.

Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

Some of the disciples saw Jesus leave this world, from the Mt of Olives. In Zechariah 14:4, when Jesus returns the Mt. of Olives will be split in half.

Has the Mt. of Olives been split in half ? If not, Jesus's Second coming has not taken place yet.

solid_core said:

The eschatology of the New Testament is very simple:
a) the present age
b) the age to come

Your eschatology is so complicated that you must create tables and charts and so unpredictable, that you are able to implement 1967 or the EU into it, two things absolutely of no interest for the disciples.

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To understand the mystery of God in Revelation 10:7, a person must learn from the whole bible about what the prophets said. It took about 50 years of learning to make the chart. Which I declare God leading me the whole way.

solid_core said:

The eschatology of the New Testament is very simple:
a) the present age
b) the age to come

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Do you mean the former present age of the disciples? And everything thereafter as the age to come?

Your eschatology is so complicated that you must create tables and charts and so unpredictable, that you are able to implement 1967 or the EU into it, two things absolutely of no interest for the disciples.

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You are making statements on behalf of the disciples? Or just stating your opinion?

The disciples were not given the exact year of the parable of the fig tree generation, nor what form the fourth kingdom would be in the end times.

shilohsfoal said:

Revelation 14:9 And a third angel followed them, calling out in a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Revelation 14:10 he too will drink the wine of God's anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

If the mark of the beast is given worldwide as many claim, and God has promised to give everyone who takes it the wine of his wrath to drink, then why does God only give his wrath to Babylon and not the entire world?

Revelation 16:19 KJV: And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

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Rom.9 Verses 18 to 23

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   [18] Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
   [19] Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
   [20] Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
   [21] Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
   [22] What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
   [23] And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

Douggg said:

To understand the mystery of God in Revelation 10:7, a person must learn from the whole bible about what the prophets said. It took about 50 years of learning to make the chart. Which I declare God leading me the whole way.

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Again, its a very complicated view of eschatology.

"And I heard and I did not comprehend regarding the time itself and I said: Sir, what is the interpretation of this word? And he said to me...From the time that the perpetual sacrifice was taken away and the abomination of desolation was prepared to be given, there are 1290 days."
Daniel 12:8

So it will happen 3.5 years after the perpetual sacrifice was taken away. What is the date the perpetual sacrifice was taken away? 66AD or 1967?

Douggg said:

Do you mean the former present age of the disciples? And everything thereafter as the age to come?

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Not sure if I get what you mean, but probably yes.

Douggg said:

You are making statements on behalf of the disciples? Or just stating your opinion?

The disciples were not given the exact year of the parable of the fig tree generation, nor what form the fourth kingdom would be in the end times.

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There is no basis for saying that the verse about the fig tree is different from other similar verses about "this generation" and that it suddenly has nothing to do with the disciples but was meant to be about 1967.

Douggg said:

It took about 50 years of learning to make the chart.

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I was also a futurist for lets say 20 years, reading many similar charts and books and prophecies about modern Israel, Iran, EU, Russia, China etc etc. Its a complicated system allowing for all kinds of current situtations to be explained as "the fulfillment".

Its good for selling books, because people like to read and hear about "the end is coming, the antichrist is coming, watch your current news and my book will tell you what will hapen to you soon and how you can be saved through all of it".

But I do not believe it anymore. None of the prophecies I read about Israel, Russia, Iran, EU etc. since 90's came true and now I see why. Its all wrong.

solid_core said:

Again, its a very complicated view of eschatology.

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My view of eschatology is highly complicated - from the perspective of having to reconcile what is in the end times prophecies with each other.

My charts are the result of having reconciled all of the end time verses with one another.

If you actually went over my 7 year 70th week chart several times, the more you look at it, it becomes not that complicated at all to understand. Each critical event has been annotated with the corresponding biblical passages that apply.

And I heard and I did not comprehend regarding the time itself and I said: Sir, what is the interpretation of this word? And he said to me...From the time that the perpetual sacrifice was taken away and the abomination of desolation was prepared to be given, there are 1290 days."

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Daniel 12:8

So it will happen 3.5 years after the perpetual sacrifice was taken away. What is the date the perpetual sacrifice was taken away? 66AD or 1967?

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In Matthew 24:15-22, the abomination of desolation standing in a holy place triggers the great tribulation, which if not shortened no flesh would be saved in verse 22.

So in 66 AD was there a chance that no flesh upon the earth would be saved? No, there was not that chance.

In 1967, is there that chance? Yes, all life on earth could be obliterated. The great tribulation is not a global nuclear war, but with the judgments and plagues, if left to themselves, all life on earth would end.

Douggg said:

In Matthew 24:15-22, the abomination of desolation standing in a holy place triggers the great tribulation, which if not shortened no flesh would be saved in verse 22.

So in 66 AD was there a chance that no flesh upon the earth would be saved? No, there was not that chance.

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Not sure what you mean by "no flesh upon the earth would be saved" or where you got it from.

The verse says:

"If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be shortened."
Mt 24:22

The context is Jerusalem and disciples of Jesus. Not the planet. The did not even had any concept of planet in their vocabulary.

solid_core said:

I was also a futurist for lets say 20 years, reading many similar charts and books and prophecies about modern Israel, Iran, EU, Russia, China etc etc. Its a complicated system allowing for all kinds of current situtations to be explained as "the fulfillment".

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It is not how many charts there are, but which chart is correct. And there is an endless stream of widely known bible commentators. But that does not mean that there is not one single true course of events that will take place in the correct order.

solid_core said:

Its good for selling books, because people like to read and hear about "the end is coming, the antichrist is coming, watch your current news and my book will tell you what will hapen to you soon and how you can be saved through all of it".

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But you shouldn't use that as an excuse to yourself.

solid_core said:

But I do not believe it anymore. None of the prophecies I read about Israel, Russia, Iran, EU etc. since 90's came true and now I see why. Its all wrong.

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Why not learn from the errors, and seek the correcting understanding, rather than throwing in the towel - "I give up" ?