Did You Really Not Know That Christ Must Be Obeyed? --Yes, You!

Blood Bought 1953 said:

Repentance is a good thing- no doubt about it. It just does not save......unless you mean by “ repentance”, changing your mind from an Unbeliever in Jesus to a Believer in Jesus.....that is the Repentance That Saves ....
Faith in Jesus , manifested in Paul’s Gospel Of Grace is what Saves.....

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Okay. Please go back to post #654 and read it please. I gave my definition for repentance in the very post you quoted.

Blood Bought 1953 said:

“And this is His Commandment, that we should Believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and Love one another, as He gave us Commandment”.........1John3:23
Do these two things and everything else will take care of itself....Jesus knew that when He said it....

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No, the other commands will not take care of themselves. If that was the case, then why even have these other commands? Is it just useless filler information in your Bible? A person's idea of love may be baking cookies with lots of sugar, but God defines how to love within His Word with specific instructions. Yes, I understand that in Romans 13:8-10 that the Moral Law will be obeyed if a believer loves their neighbor, but this is not always the case with other commands in the New Testament. We are commanded to PREACH. We are commanded to love the brethren in the same way that Jesus loved the disciples. This is not something that you will automatically do if you just aimlessly love any ole which you please. Tree hugging, feeding people lots of sugar, and helping animals get a home at the shelter is not how God defines love. God has specifics on how He wants us to love. Your Bible was written with details for your instruction. You cannot throw out these details or ignore them to fit your personal belief.

Phil W said:

If you "believe Jesus", you have to obey all His other commandments too..."And His commandments are not grievous."
Failure to obey illustrates unbelief.

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Failure to obey illustrates unbelief.
No.....failure to “ obey” shows disobedience.....something we are all guilty of every hour of every day...

BNR32FAN said:

Can you name one person who is completely obedient? If obedience is required for salvation there won’t be a single man in heaven. Repentance on the other hand is another story. There won’t be a single person in heaven who hasn’t repented.

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Confession of sin is obedience.

Bible Highlighter said:

Jesus said we will perish if we do not repent.

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Find in the KJV where Jesus said “ we are saved by Repenting OF SINS” and I will pay you $ 1000.00

Repenting , or changing your Unbelief in Jesus to Belief in Jesus is what saves......sorrow for sin , regret for sin , trying to not sin, turning over a new leaf, trying to improve one’s self by doing a better job of keeping The Law —- These are all good things in and of themselves.....they just don’t Save anybody......that is accomplished by Faith in the Gospel .....Plus NOTHING....

Blood Bought 1953 said:

Find in the KJV where Jesus said “ we are saved by Repenting OF SINS” and I will pay you $ 1000.00

Repenting , or changing your Unbelief in Jesus to Belief in Jesus is what saves......sorrow for sin , regret for sin , trying to not sin, turning over a new leaf, trying to improve one’s self by doing a better job of keeping The Law —- These are all good things in and of themselves.....they just don’t Save anybody......that is accomplished by Faith in the Gospel .....Plus NOTHING....

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They will keep on teaching that false doctrine until they repent.

Bible Highlighter said:

No, the other commands will not take care of themselves. If that was the case, then why even have these other commands? Is it just useless filler information in your Bible? A person's idea of love may be baking cookies with lots of sugar, but God defines how to love within His Word with specific instructions. Yes, I understand that in Romans 13:8-10 that the Moral Law will be obeyed if a believer loves their neighbor, but this is not always the case with other commands in the New Testament. We are commanded to PREACH. We are commanded to love the brethren in the same way that Jesus loved the disciples. This is not something that you will automatically do if you just aimlessly love any ole which you please. Tree hugging, feeding people lots of sugar, and helping animals get a home at the shelter is not how God defines love. God has specifics on how He wants us to love. Your Bible was written with details for your instruction. You cannot throw out these details or ignore them to fit your personal belief.

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Your problem is with Jesus and Paul.....not me...
“ The ENTIRE LAW is fulfilled in a SINGLE decree.....” Love your neighbor as yourself” Gal5:14.....
Of course there are many commands in the New Testament.....why would I want to disregard any of them....they are all for my own good.....As I grow In Faith, I find that all of these “ commandments” come to me naturally..
For instance we are commanded to “ pray without ceasing” . Religionists like the Monks, for instance can only imitate that by getting up at three in the morning and pretend they pray for six hours—- talk about “ dung!”
What Paul “ Commands” has come NATURALLY to me for many years.....it’s like a running conversation that starts when I arise and ends when I fall asleep, I talk to God all day...It’s a Work Of The Holy Spirit.....a By-Product Of Resting in the Gospel Of Paul......the Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing....

Blood Bought 1953 said:

Your problem is with Jesus and Paul.....not me...
“ The ENTIRE LAW is fulfilled in a SINGLE decree.....” Love your neighbor as yourself” Gal 5:14.....

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Will this help?


Some here needs to repent?

ClementofA said:

Confession of sin is obedience.

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confession and repentance are two completely different things. Repentance (metanoia) is turning away from sin and towards God.

Blood Bought 1953 said:

Your problem is with Jesus and Paul.....not me...
“ The ENTIRE LAW is fulfilled in a SINGLE decree.....” Love your neighbor as yourself” Gal5:14.....
Of course there are many commands in the New Testament.....why would I want to disregard any of them....they are all for my own good.....As I grow In Faith, I find that all of these “ commandments” come to me naturally..
For instance we are commanded to “ pray without ceasing” . Religionists like the Monks, for instance can only imitate that by getting up at three in the morning and pretend they pray for six hours—- talk about “ dung!”
What Paul “ Commands” has come NATURALLY to me for many years.....it’s like a running conversation that starts when I arise and ends when I fall asleep, I talk to God all day...It’s a Work Of The Holy Spirit.....a By-Product Of Resting in the Gospel Of Paul......the Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing....

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In Galatians 5:2, Paul mentions how if you seek to be circumcised Christ will profit you nothing. Circumcision is something that is of the Old Testament Law and not the commands given to us by Jesus and His followers as a part of our Lord's New Covenant teachings (i.e. New Testament teachings).

So based on this context, in Galatians 5:14: Paul was referring to fulfilling the Old Law. He was saying that we fulfill the Old Testament Law by loving our neighbor. Paul was not referring to the commands of Jesus or the commands that Paul himself gave by the Lord. That would not make any sense for Jesus to give us new commands just so that his apostle Paul would later undo them several years later. It would also not make any sense for Paul to give us commands just so that we can ignore them just because he said that we fulfill the Law by loving our neighbor. That would make Paul”s own words contradictory. So you are oversimplifying things.

Blood Bought 1953 said:

Failure to obey illustrates unbelief.
No.....failure to “ obey” shows disobedience.....something we are all guilty of every hour of every day...

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If one believes the speaker of a commandment is God, or the Son of God, they obey without question.
It is unbelief that sparks disobedience.
The Jews in the desert with Moses are our "pattern" for this.
It is written..."Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul." (Heb 10:38-39)
Not everyone is an unbeliever in the ultimate punishment for sin.

BNR32FAN said:

confession and repentance are two completely different things. Repentance (metanoia) is turning away from sin and towards God.

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That might apply to turning away from a certain sin. Like gambling.

But, to repent of being able to sin? That's nuts. We would have no need of getting a resurrection body if we could repent of being able to ever sin again.

Some people do not think. They live by their emotions. They refuse to think with the Word of God.


Some need to repent of stubbornness. Especially, stubborn denial. For if they do not? They are going to end up being losers if they keep sinning that way. No rewards for them.

genez said:

That might apply to turning away from a certain sin. Like gambling.

But, to repent of being able to sin? That's nuts. We would have no need of getting a resurrection body if we could repent of being able to ever sin again.

Some people do not think. They live by their emotions. They refuse to think with the Word of God.

"My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin.
But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father
—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One." - 1 John 2:1​

Some need to repent of stubbornness. Especially, stubborn denial. For if they do not? They are going to end up being losers if they keep sinning that way. No rewards for them.

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"Repent of being able to sin"?
I haven't seen that in the bible.
I have, however, seen this..."Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." (1 John 3:9)
Fig trees cannot bear grapes any more than God's seed can bear liars and thieves.

genez said:

That might apply to turning away from a certain sin. Like gambling.

But, to repent of being able to sin? That's nuts. We would have no need of getting a resurrection body if we could repent of being able to ever sin again.

Some people do not think. They live by their emotions. They refuse to think with the Word of God.

"My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin.
But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father
—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One." - 1 John 2:1​

Some need to repent of stubbornness. Especially, stubborn denial. For if they do not? They are going to end up being losers if they keep sinning that way. No rewards for them.

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Repentance is not a one time event for a Christian but an ongoing experience. We will have to repent over and over again. Sure we may repent of a certain sin and we will sin in another area of our life and we need to repent of that sin and we may repeat some sins over and over and repent each time in between. My point was that obedience isn’t the determining factor for salvation but repentance. Obedience is impossible and all have sinned and will continue to sin from time to time. When we sin we must always turn back to God thats repentance. Every person who fails in obedience will be saved if he repents. Every person who doesn’t repent will not receive salvation because if we turn away from God and we don’t turn back to Him we will not receive Christ’s atonement. We must abide in Christ and endure to the end to receive salvation.

BNR32FAN said:

Repentance is not a one time event for a Christian but an ongoing experience. We will have to repent over and over again. Sure we may repent of a certain sin and we will sin in another area of our life and we need to repent of that sin and we may repeat some sins over and over and repent each time in between. My point was that obedience isn’t the determining factor for salvation but repentance. Obedience is impossible and all have sinned and will continue to sin from time to time. When we sin we must always turn back to God thats repentance. Every person who fails in obedience will be saved if he repents. Every person who doesn’t repent will not receive salvation because if we turn away from God and we don’t turn back to Him we will not receive Christ’s atonement. We must abide in Christ and endure to the end to receive salvation.

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You keep making the same mistake in regards to how words were used back then.

Its like today we call riots 'protests.' Protests do not include damage to private property, nor personal harm to an individual. A protest is to be a gathering to express a grievance.

Now, the Constitution guarantees the right to protest. The army should never be called out to suppress a protest. That is why the idiots are against calling in the army. But, president Trump wants to call in the army to contain the rioting. Rioting and protesting are not the same things. But, because we no longer define words properly? The fake news runs rip shod over our Constitution.

Like wise. If you do not know what the word "repentance" meant when the Bible was written? You will be missing a great aspect in understanding God grace and truth. And, ruining the purpose in God's plan. And, that purpose is? To be understood.

You do not understand what repentance means no more than the media understands the difference between "protest" and a "riot."

Do you want to learn what repentance means? And, what 1 John 1:9 speaks of?

genez said:

You keep making the same mistake in regards to how words were used back then.

Its like today we call riots 'protests.' Protests do not include damage to private property, nor personal harm to an individual. A protest is to be a gathering to express a grievance.

Now, the Constitution guarantees the right to protest. The army should never be called out to suppress a protest. That is why the idiots are against calling in the army. But, president Trump wants to call in the army to contain the rioting. Rioting and protesting are not the same things. But, because we no longer define words properly? The fake news runs rip shod over our Constitution.

Like wise. If you do not know what the word "repentance" meant when the Bible was written? You will be missing a great aspect in understanding God grace and truth. And, ruining the purpose in God's plan. And, that purpose is? To be understood.

You do not understand what repentance means no more than the media understands the difference between "protest" and a "riot."

Do you want to learn what repentance means? And, what 1 John 1:9 speaks of?

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I made no mention of 1 John 1:9 at all. I don’t see the word metanoia in that verse. Please explain what metanoia means.

BNR32FAN said:

I made no mention of 1 John 1:9 at all. I don’t see the word metanoia in that verse. Please explain what metanoia means.

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An example of Metanoia would be this.

before you were born again you grew up under the rules of some denomination. Be it keeping the Sabbath.. be it praying to Mary.... be it any man made concept that you were always told God demands of a person.

So, you are now born again after simply believing in Jesus Christ. Like a baby you need to learn to speak the language and eventually how to care and feed for yourself.

So along the way you see Scriptures that tell you it would be wrong to pray to Mary. But, you refuse.For there is much sentimental attachment and fond memories associated with your happy days as a child. Jesus tells us that no one comes to the Father except through Him... And, that we are to ask anything in His name. Yet? Emotionally you remain attached to praying to Mary and the saints, thus keeping you from making real connection with God in the Spirit. But, demons will provide emotional stimulation as a motivation to continue with what is not Biblical, robbing you of coming to maturity in Christ that can only come according to God's way.

Repentance? One day you will consider all the Biblical evidence that reveals your position is wrong. If you repent? You will change your mind and turn away from the old practice. If you refuse to repent? You will remain retarded spiritually and the spiritual life you could have had after salvation will atrophy."Dying on the vine and shriveling up."

Now? Confessing sin is different. That would be like hearing some preacher teaching how praying to Mary is not the way of God. You then react and hate that preacher's guts. That is sin. You need to recognize it and admit it (confess it) to God.

Confession is simply dealing with sin that became manifested in you. (1 John 1:9).

Repentance is dealing with undoing a lie by hearing the truth on the matter and then coming to the truth.

BNR32FAN said:

confession and repentance are two completely different things. Repentance (metanoia) is turning away from sin and towards God.

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Those who repent will confess their sins. Otherwise they haven't repented. The two are inseparable.

Now do you wish to discuss Luke 12:10:

the penalty for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is...

ClementofA said:

Those who repent will confess their sins. Otherwise they haven't repented. The two are inseparable.

Now do you wish to discuss Luke 12:10:

the penalty for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is...

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You just can’t admit when you’ve made a mistake can you.

genez said:

An example of Metanoia would be this.

before you were born again you grew up under the rules of some denomination. Be it keeping the Sabbath.. be it praying to Mary.... be it any man made concept that you were always told God demands of a person.

So, you are now born again after simply believing in Jesus Christ. Like a baby you need to learn to speak the language and eventually how to care and feed for yourself.

So along the way you see Scriptures that tell you it would be wrong to pray to Mary. But, you refuse.For there is much sentimental attachment and fond memories associated with your happy days as a child. Jesus tells us that no one comes to the Father except through Him... And, that we are to ask anything in His name. Yet? Emotionally you remain attached to praying to Mary and the saints, thus keeping you from making real connection with God in the Spirit. But, demons will provide emotional stimulation as a motivation to continue with what is not Biblical, robbing you of coming to maturity in Christ that can only come according to God's way.

Repentance? One day you will consider all the Biblical evidence that reveals your position is wrong. If you repent? You will change your mind and turn away from the old practice. If you refuse to repent? You will remain retarded spiritually and the spiritual life you could have had after salvation will atrophy."Dying on the vine and shriveling up."

Now? Confessing sin is different. That would be like hearing some preacher teaching how praying to Mary is not the way of God. You then react and hate that preacher's guts. That is sin. You need to recognize it and admit it (confess it) to God.

Confession is simply dealing with sin that became manifested in you. (1 John 1:9).

Repentance is dealing with undoing a lie by hearing the truth on the matter and then coming to the truth.

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Repent

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Lemma:
μετανοέω

Transliteration:
metanoeō

Pronounciation:
met-an-o-eh'-o

Part of Speech:
Verb

μετανοέω, μετάνω; future μετανοήσω; 1 aorist μετενόησα; from (Antiphon), Xenophon down; the Sept. several times for נִחַם; to change one's mind, i. e. to repent (to feel sorry that one has done this or that, Jonah 3:9), of having offended someone, Luke 17:3f; with ἐπίτίνι added (the dative of the wrong, Hebrew עַל, Amos 7:3; Joel 2:13; Jonah 3:10; Jonah 4:2), of (on account of) something (so Latinme paenitet alicujus rei), 2 Corinthians 12:21; used especially of those who, conscious of their sins and with manifest tokens of sorrow, are intent; on obtaining God's pardon; to repent(Latinpaenitentiam agere): μετανοῶ ἐνσάκκῳ καί σποδῷ, clothed in sackcloth and besprinkled with ashes, Matthew 11:21; Luke 10:13. to change one's mind for the better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins: Matthew 3:2; Matthew 4:17; Mark 1:15(cf. Matthew 3:6 ἐξομολογούμενοι τάςἁμαρτίας αὐτῶν; Matthew 3:8 and Luke 3:8 καρπούς ἀξίους τῆς μετανοίας, i. e. conduct worthy of a heart changed and abhorring sin); (Matthew 11:20; Mark 6:12); Luke 13:3, 5; Luke 15:7, 10; Luke 16:30; Acts 2:38; Acts 3:19; Acts 17:30; Revelation 2:5, 16; Revelation 3:3, 19; on the phrase μετανοεῖν εἰς τό κήρυγματίνος, Matthew 12:41 and Luke 11:32, see εἰς, B. II. 2 d.; (Winer's Grammar, 397 (371)). Since τό μετανοεῖν expresses mental direction, the termini from which and to which may be specified: ἀπό τῆςκακίας, to withdraw or turn one's soul from, etc. (cf. Winers Grammar, 622 (577); especially Buttmann, 322 (277)), Acts 8:22; ἐκ τίνος, Revelation 2:21; Revelation 9:20; Revelation 16:11 (see ἐκ, I. 6; (cf. Buttmann, 327 (281), and Winer's Grammar, as above)); μετανοεῖνκαί ἐπιστρέφειν ἐπί τόν Θεόν, Acts 26:20; followed by an infinitive indicating purpose (Winer's Grammar, 318 (298)), Revelation 16:9. (Synonym: see μεταμέλομαι.)