Another One: I Can't Breathe

BNR32FAN · Jun 5, 2020

Bobber said:
You make a good point but it should be considered a possibility too there are bad cops and the police unions defend them. I'm not totally opposed to unions, was a member of one for many years BUT I've seen many people I've thought should really be fired but the company just couldn't get it done. I've seen this in education as well....teachers have acted in ways in which they should be canned and yet the union defends them. I have to believe this could be the way with the police as well. Police for sure can be falsely accused but they really do need to be honest and sincere and make doubly sure the cop is innocent instead of just putting it away in a file.

Without evidence to support accusations of brutality the only thing the department can go by is an unusual amount of complaints. I don’t think less than 1 complaint a year is an unreasonable amount.

shortangel · Jun 5, 2020

i'm so sorry to hear about another sad incident

this is breaking my heart

OldWiseGuy · Jun 5, 2020

Tanj said:
So long as you aren't asleep at the time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...lice-shooting-louisville-woman-her-apartment/

The children killed by gangbangers in their bedrooms are just as dead.

pitabread · Jun 5, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
Just don't be combative with the police and you'll be fine.

This is false.

Bobber · Jun 5, 2020

pitabread said:
This is false.

To the other posters point though. It may not be totally false. You can't say as an absolute one's who don't resist a police officer won't be treated better. That would be just as false as the other statement.

pitabread · Jun 5, 2020

Bobber said:
To the other posters point though. It may not be totally false. You can't say as an absolute one's who don't resist a police officer won't be treated better. That would be just as false as the other statement.

It's the absolutist nature of his statement is that is false. There are plenty of examples of people who are not combative with police, yet are clearly not fine from the encounter.

Painting everything in such b&w terms is not conducive to actually understanding the real issues here.

pitabread · Jun 5, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
The children killed by gangbangers in their bedrooms are just as dead.

That's besides the point, innit?

GreatLakes4Ever · Jun 5, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
The children killed by gangbangers in their bedrooms are just as dead.

We’re not pay the gangbangers’ salaries to protect and serve the public they end up killing. Police officers are killing people on my dime.

OldWiseGuy · Jun 5, 2020

pitabread said:
It's the absolutist nature of his statement is that is false. There are plenty of examples of people who are not combative with police, yet are clearly not fine from the encounter.

Painting everything in such b&w terms is not conducive to actually understanding the real issues here.

I didn't say it would happen overnight. But given a decade or two of compliance with the police the brutality would surely decline. Of course this would also require a drastic reduction in criminal behavior as well as other behavioral changes.

OldWiseGuy · Jun 5, 2020

GreatLakes4Ever said:
We’re not pay the gangbangers’ salaries to protect and serve the public they end up killing. Police officers are killing people on my dime.

Perhaps we should find out why this is happening before we rush to judgments.

OldWiseGuy · Jun 5, 2020

pitabread said:
That's besides the point, innit?

It's what you discover when you peel this onion back.

GreatLakes4Ever · Jun 5, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
Perhaps we should find out why this is happening before we rush to judgments.

Qualified immunity for police, militarization of the police force, police not working the same neighborhoods that they live in, lax punishment for breaking rules for police, lax punishments for actually breaking laws for police, cone of silence of police officers, protection of even bad cops by the police unions, lack of tax payer oversight of police departments, not enough training of police officers for mental health crises, not enough emphasis in training on de-escalation and non-lethal tactics. How many more problems do you need before police using your money to kill people bothers you enough that you demand something to be done?

OldWiseGuy · Jun 5, 2020

GreatLakes4Ever said:
Qualified immunity for police, militarization of the police force, police not working the same neighborhoods that they live in, lax punishment for breaking rules for police, lax punishments for actually breaking laws for police, cone of silence of police officers, protection of even bad cops by the police unions, lack of tax payer oversight of police departments, not enough training of police officers for mental health crises, not enough emphasis in training on de-escalation and non-lethal tactics. How many more problems do you need before police using your money to kill people bothers you enough that you demand something to be done?

How bad are these problems, really?

pitabread · Jun 5, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
It's what you discover when you peel this onion back.

There's no onion here. Just an attempt at a red herring.

pitabread · Jun 5, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
I didn't say it would happen overnight. But given a decade or two of compliance with the police the brutality would surely decline. Of course this would also require a drastic reduction in criminal behavior as well as other behavioral changes.

So if everything was different, police brutality wouldn't be an issue. How insightful.

Tanj · Jun 5, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
The children killed by gangbangers in their bedrooms are just as dead.

Well that's OK then. So long as the police are no worse than gangbangers, everything's peachy. Is that in the scriptures somewhere? It's OK to murder sol long as other people murder worse?

GreatLakes4Ever · Jun 5, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
How bad are these problems, really?

You should ask Tamika Palmer, she would have been busy celebrating her daughter Breonna Taylor’s birthday today but is free. Unfortunately Ms. Taylor was shot eight times by police while she was sleeping in her own bed.

Trogdor the Burninator · Jun 5, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
Just don't be combative with the police and you'll be fine.

Not always. Many US police are easily frightened and may shoot without provocation. Maybe they should put up more signs.

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Trogdor the Burninator · Jun 5, 2020

Tanj said:
Well that's OK then. So long as the police are no worse than gangbangers, everything's peachy.

That could be a new police motto. "Protect and Serve" could become "City Police - we're not quite as bad as gang members!"

OldWiseGuy · Jun 5, 2020

pitabread said:
There's no onion here. Just an attempt at a red herring.

We have a standoff.

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