The Bible Proves Evolution

Hans Blaster · Jun 4, 2020

messianist said:
All of one word mist.

You also used "your" in place of "you are" (as in "you are a lost soul") instead of "you're".

I only pointed it out when you repeated your grammar error, added a really bad spelling error, and continued to insult me. (Rather to issue what you think are insults or condemnations.) Bye!

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jun 4, 2020

DebbieJ said:
Gen 1:2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
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The earth here did not exist yet. It was formless and void -- without material existence. The waters mentioned here is not H2O as nothing was created yet. This "waters" is actually describing a "superfluid" universe, which I believe existed before creation, that is, the big bang.

Are we living underwater? Researchers believe the universe might be a liquid superfluid | Daily Mail Online

"Researchers believe the universe might be a 'liquid superfluid'."

That's quite a huge stretch - cherry-picking tabloid reports of speculative science is not a reliable way of supporting scripture. Remember that the people who wrote the scriptures had not the faintest idea about the fabric of spacetime, or its properties; and the idea of spacetime as a superfluid vacuum is entirely speculative.

Similarly, the mechanism of directly converting high-energy photons into electrons described in your previous link isn't making matter in the sense an average person would understand it - at best, it's an extremely expensive and wasteful way of doing what plants do when they photosynthesise.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jun 4, 2020

messianist said:
Your a lost soul.

Define 'soul' in this context.

messianist · Jun 4, 2020

Hans Blaster said:
You also used "your" in place of "you are" (as in "you are a lost soul") instead of "you're".

I only pointed it out when you repeated your grammar error, added a really bad spelling error, and continued to insult me. (Rather to issue what you think are insults or condemnations.) Bye!

I just provide some facts to you, It seems you can't handle the truth bye.
As for the spelling ect it was irrelevant.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jun 4, 2020

messianist said:
Waw look at you very observing.

If English isn't your primary language, you might find that Google translate can do a better job...

messianist · Jun 4, 2020

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
If English isn't your primary language, you might find that Google translate can do a better job...

No need you understood it clear enough as did others.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jun 4, 2020

messianist said:
No need you understood it clear enough as did others.

I suggested you try a translation service because your post was unintelligible.

It now seems that it was careless, lazy, illiterate, or some combination of the three; thanks for the clarification. But if you want to be taken seriously, you're doing it wrong.

messianist · Jun 4, 2020

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
I suggested you try a translation service because your post was unintelligible.

It now seems that it was careless, lazy, illiterate, or some combination of the three; thanks for the clarification. But if you want to be taken seriously, you're doing it wrong.

I'm not doing nothing wrong, I provide facts you can't seem to digest, if you can't or others comprehend that I can't help you, miss spelling ect has nothing to do with beeing taken seriously, it's an excuse on your behalf.

messianist · Jun 4, 2020

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
I suggested you try a translation service because your post was unintelligible.

It now seems that it was careless, lazy, illiterate, or some combination of the three; thanks for the clarification. But if you want to be taken seriously, you're doing it wrong.

In fact your displaying child like behaviour.

Tone · Jun 4, 2020

klutedavid said:
Once again, the evidence for an old earth is really beyond debate. It is a closed shop in science, no one questions the evidence. The evidence comes from all different areas in science and is above any personal opinions.

Do you have to become a scientist to perceive this evidence, because I cannot think of any such evidence off the top of my head. The only thing that comes to mind is the carbon dating stuff, but I heard this was unreliable. Why wouldn't people begin to see whatever secular science tells them when they have committed to taking on their framework?

I think the evidence should be questioned again and again...and again.

Also, assuming that dating methods are correct to what exists now, why would anyone trust that it remains the same since the beginning, especially since death has since entered the world, along with great catastrophes?

Tone · Jun 4, 2020

Subduction Zone said:
Christians that understand he sciences accept the theory of evolution

So they commit to understanding the framework and...well, what do ya know...they end up accepting it.

Sounds about right.

Tone · Jun 4, 2020

DebbieJ said:
I'm a Christian and I believe that evolution took place and the Lord used the process of evolution to create living things.

Out of the same clay, life was created. Just look at our DNA. It's the same double helix structure and chemical composition for all living things, just arranged differently.

How long do you think it took DNA to develop...millions...billions...of years?

Tone · Jun 4, 2020

DebbieJ said:
I agree. Formless and void means without material existence.

Gamma rays, X-rays, infra-red, radio waves, visible light are all made out of photons with different frequencies. This is the electromagnetic spectrum. According to a science article I've read, scientists have successfully created matter out of light.

So, let there be light written in another way is "Let there be an electromagnetic spectrum" where light will be used to create matter.

Ref: Out Of Pure Light, Physicists Create Particles Of Matter

We now have the first ingredients to create the material universe -- from light.

So, the beginning of Genesis could be describing the informational stage (perhaps when DNA was established)...

This possibility would support a creation story, rather than a Creatorless narrative, don't you agree?

Tone · Jun 4, 2020

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
had not the faintest idea

And yet they lived longer lives than anyone here and will inherit the earth.

Speedwell · Jun 4, 2020

Tone said:
So, the beginning of Genesis could be describing the informational stage (perhaps when DNA was established)...

This possibility would support a creation story, rather than a Creatorless narrative, don't you agree?

The argument that evolution ( or abiogenesis, which is what you seem to be talking about now) is a "creatorless narrative" is fundamental dishonest. The theory of evolution, like all other scientific theories, makes no statement about whether or not there was a creator. Evolutionary theory is not a godless alternative to God's authorship of our being.

Tone · Jun 4, 2020

Speedwell said:
The argument that evolution ( or abiogenesis, which is what you seem to be talking about now) is a "creatorless narrative" is fundamental dishonest. The theory of evolution, like all other scientific theories, makes no statement about whether or not there was a creator. Evolutionary theory is not a godless alternative to God's authorship of our being.

Doesn't it set the scene for a Creatorless existence though...a culture of unbelief?

So, the Atheists here do not use science as a crutch for unbelief...okay.

Speedwell · Jun 4, 2020

Tone said:
Doesn't it set the scene for a Creatorless existence though...a culture of unbelief?

No, no more than any other scientific theory.

So, the Atheists here do not use science as a crutch for unbelief...okay.

No more than theists use it as a crutch for belief.

The creation/evolution debate is not about the existence of God or His authorship of our being, it's about the Bible. Trying to turn it into a theism/atheism debate is fundamentally dishonest.

Hans Blaster · Jun 4, 2020

Tone said:
So, the Atheists here do not use science as a crutch for unbelief...okay.

Unbelief doesn't need any crutches. (I'm not sure what it's being propped-up anyway.)

Unbelief is just not believing something. I know this is hard for many of you believers to understand, since you can't imagine not believing in something (god) that seems so fundamental to you. It's hard for us to even explain it to many of you since the best examples (other supernatural things) of things many atheists also do not believe in (like ghosts, ESP, or bad luck) that may be things that theists also don't believe in either are seen as belittling or mocking to make parallel to the god belief. When we've done so we (usually) aren't mocking the gods believed in by the religious, but the comparisons are perceived in as offensive.

As for the failure of my belief it was driven by: 1. an understanding of the history of the biblical period and the formation of the texts, 2. lack of personal spiritual experiences (no Holy Spirit experiences), and 3. my experience of the world I lived in as predictable, repeatable, and natural. Science only played a part in the last of these.

Tone · Jun 4, 2020

Hans Blaster said:
lack of personal spiritual experiences (no Holy Spirit experiences)

This is the key one...the one that is the least (maybe zero amount) under your control.

John 3
"7Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born again.’ 8The wind blows where it wishes. You hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

May Abba Yah Breathe deeply into every aspect of your being and raise you up in Yahshua ha Mashiach. Amen.

The same Creator Who Spoke in the beginning still Speaks and is able and willing to call all things in your life "Very good."

John 3
"16For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him."

2 Peter 3
"8Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance. 10But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and its works will be laid bare."

Romans 10
"16But not all of them welcomed the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?” 17Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. 18But I ask, did they not hear? Indeed they did: “Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world."

Shalom my friend.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jun 4, 2020

messianist said:
I'm not doing nothing wrong, I provide facts you can't seem to digest, if you can't or others comprehend that I can't help you, miss spelling ect has nothing to do with beeing taken seriously, it's an excuse on your behalf.

There are no facts in, "Waw look at you very observing.". It's just incoherent.

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