LDS how many souls does God have?

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Technically, all of them.

This is exactly the sort of question I'd of asked myself. Hopefully there's a good answer.
You would have asked yourself this question: how many souls does God have?

This is a weird question. And as far as I know there is no good answer.

Does Marsh want to know, how many souls does God have personally within himself?
Does Marsh want to know, how many souls God brought forth?
Does Marsh understand that the soul = the flesh and bone mortal body + the spirit that God is the Father of?
 
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Since, I forgot why I asked. I will change the question to how many bodies does God have? We know that God came in Jesus thus that is one possible soul. We know that God is Spirit. So, that rules out the Father and Holy Spirit as having a soul.

Genesis 2:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

So, to salvage this thread for whatever reason.

what proof in the Bible that God the Father has a body?

Anyone who has time to answer before me, please post LDS proof texts in context because often that exposes the proof text that it does not teach what our LDS friends thinks it does.
 
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Since, I forgot why I asked. I will change the question to how many bodies does God have? We know that God came in Jesus thus that is one possible soul. We know that God is Spirit. So, that rules out the Father and Holy Spirit as having a soul.

Genesis 2:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

So, to salvage this thread for whatever reason.

what proof in the Bible that God the Father has a body?

Anyone who has time to answer before me, please post LDS proof texts in context because often that exposes the proof text that it does not teach what our LDS friends thinks it does.
(Old Testament | Genesis 1:27)

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


(New Testament | Hebrews 1:1 - 3)

1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

(Old Testament | Genesis 5:22 - 24)

22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

(New Testament | 1 John 3:2)

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
 
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Since, I forgot why I asked. I will change the question to how many bodies does God have? We know that God came in Jesus thus that is one possible soul. We know that God is Spirit. So, that rules out the Father and Holy Spirit as having a soul.

Genesis 2:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

So, to salvage this thread for whatever reason.

what proof in the Bible that God the Father has a body?

Anyone who has time to answer before me, please post LDS proof texts in context because often that exposes the proof text that it does not teach what our LDS friends thinks it does.

Does Jesus have a body of flesh and bone and spirit today?
 
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(Old Testament | Genesis 1:27)

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


(New Testament | Hebrews 1:1 - 3)

1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

(Old Testament | Genesis 5:22 - 24)

22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

(New Testament | 1 John 3:2)

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

As you know friend, historical Christians understand "image of God" to be spiritual.

1 John 3 New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised (NRSVA)
3 1 See what love the Father has given us, that we should be called children of God; and that is what we are. The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2 Beloved, we are God’s children now; what we will be has not yet been revealed. What we do know is this: when he[a] is revealed, we will be like him, for we will see him as he is. 3 And all who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.

4 Everyone who commits sin is guilty of lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that he was revealed to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in him sins; no one who sins has either seen him or known him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Everyone who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 Everyone who commits sin is a child of the devil; for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The Son of God was revealed for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 Those who have been born of God do not sin, because God’s seed abides in them; they cannot sin, because they have been born of God. 10 The children of God and the children of the devil are revealed in this way: all who do not do what is right are not from God, nor are those who do not love their brothers and sisters.[c]

I John 3:2 is worthless in proving God has a physical body because the text does not define what he will be like. I always understood the text as to referring to us being like Christ in reference to fruits of the Spirit.

Hebrews 1:1-3 New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised (NRSVA)
God Has Spoken by His Son
1 Long ago God spoke to our ancestors in many and various ways by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son,[a] whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom he also created the worlds. 3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact imprint of God’s very being, and he sustains all things by his powerful word. When he had made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

I do not see God as having a physical body there either. You must be reading that into the text.

Young's Literal Translation
who being the brightness of the glory, and the impress of His subsistence, bearing up also the all things by the saying of his might -- through himself having made a cleansing of our sins, sat down at the right hand of the greatness in the highest,

Definition of subsistence
1a(1): real being : EXISTENCE
(2): the condition of remaining in existence : CONTINUATION, PERSISTENCE
b: an essential characteristic quality of something that exists
c: the character possessed by whatever is logically conceivable

"Being (wn). Absolute and timeless existence (present active participle of eimi) in contrast with genomeno in verse Colossians 4 like hn in John 1:1 (in contrast with egeneto in John 1:14 ) and like uparcwn and genomeno in Philippians 2:6 . The effulgence of his glory (apaugasma th doxh). The word apaugasma, late substantive from apaugazw, to emit brightness (augh, augazw in 2 Corinthians 4:4 ), here only in the N.T., but in Wisdom 7:26 and in Philo. It can mean either reflected brightness, refulgence (Calvin, Thayer) or effulgence (ray from an original light body) as the Greek fathers hold. Both senses are true of Christ in his relation to God as Jesus shows in plain language in John 12:45 ; John 14:9 . "The writer is using metaphors which had already been applied to Wisdom and the Logos" (Moffatt). The meaning "effulgence" suits the context better, though it gives the idea of eternal generation of the Son ( John 1:1 ), the term Father applied to God necessarily involving Son. See this same metaphor in 2 Corinthians 4:6 . The very image of his substance (carakthr th upostasew). Carakthr is an old word from carassw, to cut, to scratch, to mark. It first was the agent (note ending =thr) or tool that did the marking, then the mark or impress made, the exact reproduction, a meaning clearly expressed by caragma ( Acts 17:29 ; Revelation 13:16 ). Menander had already used (Moffatt) carakthr in the sense of our "character." The word occurs in the inscriptions for "person" as well as for "exact reproduction" of a person. The word upostasi for the being or essence of God "is a philosophical rather than a religious term" (Moffatt). Etymologically it is the sediment or foundation under a building (for instance). In Revelation 11:1 ypostasi is like the "title-deed" idea found in the papyri. Athanasius rightly used Hebrews 1:1-4 in his controversy with Arius. Paul in Philippians 2:5-11 pictures the real and eternal deity of Christ free from the philosophical language here employed. But even Paul's simpler phrase morph qeou (the form of God) has difficulties of its own. The use of Logo in John 1:1-18 is parallel to Hebrews 1:1-4 . And upholding (perwn te). Present active participle of perw closely connected with wn (being) by te and like Colossians 1:17 in idea. The newer science as expounded by Eddington and Jeans is in harmony with the spiritual and personal conception of creation here presented. By the word of his power (twi rhmati th dunamew autou). Instrumental case of rhma (word). See Colossians 11:3 for rhmati qeou (by the word of God) as the explanation of creation like Genesis, but here autou refers to God's Son as in Colossians 1:2 . Purification of sins (kaqarismon twn amartiwn). Kaqarismo is from kaqarizw, to cleanse ( Matthew 8:3 ; Hebrews 9:14 ), here only in Hebrews, but in same sense of cleansing from sins, 2 Peter 1:9 ; Job 7:21 . Note middle participle poihsameno like eurameno in Hebrews 9:12 . This is the first mention of the priestly work of Christ, the keynote of this Epistle. Sat down (ekaqisen). First aorist active of kaqizw, "took his seat," a formal and dignified act. Of the Majesty on high (th megalosunh en upshloi). Late word from mega, only in LXX ( Deuteronomy 32:3 ; 2 Samuel 7:23 , etc.), Aristeas, Hebrews 1:3 ; Hebrews 8:1 ; Jude 1:25 . Christ resumed his original dignity and glory ( John 17:5 ). The phrase en upshloi occurs in the Psalms ( Psalms 93:4 ), here only in N.T., elsewhere en upsistoi in the highest ( Matthew 21:9 ; Luke 2:14 ) or en toi epouranioi in the heavenlies ( Ephesians 1:3 Ephesians 1:20 ). Jesus is here pictured as King (Prophet and Priest also) Messiah seated at the right hand of God."
Hebrews 1:3 Commentary - Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament
 
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1 Corinthians 15 New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised (NRSVA)
The Resurrection of Christ
15 Now I should remind you, brothers and sisters,[a] of the good news that I proclaimed to you, which you in turn received, in which also you stand, 2 through which also you are being saved, if you hold firmly to the message that I proclaimed to you—unless you have come to believe in vain.

3 For I handed on to you as of first importance what I in turn had received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, 4 and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers and sisters[c] at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have died.[d] 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8 Last of all, as to someone untimely born, he appeared also to me. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, unfit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace towards me has not been in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them—though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me. 11 Whether then it was I or they, so we proclaim and so you have come to believe.

The Resurrection of the Dead

12 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised; 14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our proclamation has been in vain and your faith has been in vain. 15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified of God that he raised Christ—whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised. 17 If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have died[e] in Christ have perished. 19 If for this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have died.[f] 21 For since death came through a human being, the resurrection of the dead has also come through a human being; 22 for as all die in Adam, so all will be made alive in Christ. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end,[g] when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father, after he has destroyed every ruler and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For ‘God[h] has put all things in subjection under his feet.’ But when it says, ‘All things are put in subjection’, it is plain that this does not include the one who put all things in subjection under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to the one who put all things in subjection under him, so that God may be all in all.

29 Otherwise, what will those people do who receive baptism on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?

30 And why are we putting ourselves in danger every hour? 31 I die every day! That is as certain, brothers and sisters, as my boasting of you—a boast that I make in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32 If with merely human hopes I fought with wild animals at Ephesus, what would I have gained by it? If the dead are not raised,

‘Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die.’

33 Do not be deceived:

‘Bad company ruins good morals.’

34 Come to a sober and right mind, and sin no more; for some people have no knowledge of God. I say this to your shame.

The Resurrection Body

35 But someone will ask, ‘How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?’ 36 Fool! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 And as for what you sow, you do not sow the body that is to be, but a bare seed, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body. 39 Not all flesh is alike, but there is one flesh for human beings, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish. 40 There are both heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one thing, and that of the earthly is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; indeed, star differs from star in glory.

42 So it is with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable, what is raised is imperishable. 43 It is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 Thus it is written, ‘The first man, Adam, became a living being’; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 But it is not the spiritual that is first, but the physical, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is[j] from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so are those who are of the dust; and as is the man of heaven, so are those who are of heaven. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we will[k] also bear the image of the man of heaven.

50 What I am saying, brothers and sisters,[l] is this: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I will tell you a mystery! We will not all die,[m] but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For this perishable body must put on imperishability, and this mortal body must put on immortality. 54 When this perishable body puts on imperishability, and this mortal body puts on immortality, then the saying that is written will be fulfilled:

‘Death has been swallowed up in victory.’
55 ‘Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?’

56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Therefore, my beloved,[n] be steadfast, immovable, always excelling in the work of the Lord, because you know that in the Lord your labour is not in vain.
 
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New International Version
And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.

New Living Translation
Just as we are now like the earthly man, we will someday be like the heavenly man.

English Standard Version
Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.

Berean Study Bible
And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so also shall we bear the likeness of the heavenly man.

Berean Literal Bible
And as we have borne the image of the earthly, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

New American Standard Bible
Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.

New King James Version
And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.

King James Bible
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Christian Standard Bible
And just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we will also bear the image of the man of heaven.

Contemporary English Version
Just as we are like the one who was made out of earth, we will be like the one who came from heaven.

Good News Translation
Just as we wear the likeness of the man made of earth, so we will wear the likeness of the Man from heaven.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And just as we have borne the image of the man made of dust, we will also bear the image of the heavenly man.

International Standard Version
Just as we have borne the likeness of the man who was made from dust, we will also bear the likeness of the man from heaven.

NET Bible
And just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, let us also bear the image of the man of heaven.

New Heart English Bible
As we have borne the image of those made of dust, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And as we have worn the image of him who is from the dust, so we shall wear the image of him who is from Heaven.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
As we have worn the likeness of the man who was made from the dust of the earth, we will also wear the likeness of the man who came from heaven.

New American Standard 1977
And just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

King James 2000 Bible
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

American King James Version
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

American Standard Version
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Therefore as we have borne the image of the earthly, let us bear also the image of the heavenly.

Darby Bible Translation
And as we have borne the image of the [one] made of dust, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly [one].

English Revised Version
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Webster's Bible Translation
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Weymouth New Testament
And as we have borne a resemblance to the earthy one, let us see to it that we also bear a resemblance to the heavenly One.

World English Bible
As we have borne the image of those made of dust, let's also bear the image of the heavenly.

Young's Literal Translation
and, according as we did bear the image of the earthy, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly.

We can not say what the "image of the heavenly man" will look like until we get there.
 
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Technically, all of them.

This is exactly the sort of question I'd of asked myself. Hopefully there's a good answer.

Mormonism teaches that spirits live with him prior to earth life. They come to earth partly to obtain a body. Spirit and body joined tigether are a soul.
 
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